what top ten med schools produce the best-trained physicians?

[wetlightning]

cause i don't think harvard's one of 'em... 🙄

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[huknows00]

and what prompted you to make that blanket statement...?

 

[MarzMD]

I predict 2 real responses, followed by 3 flame responses, then the thread will be taken over by the same Chuck Norris jokes. Why do I come to Pre-Allo again?

 

[wetlightning]

and what prompted you to make that blanket statement...?

oh come on, stop flaming so early. i know that most of the people who just got acceptances to HMS are super-sensitive about their future alma mater.

but i've heard in general that HMS' curriculum is not as strong as others.

 

[CaipirinhaQuinho]

stop hatin' brah.

 

[pinkey]

I predict 2 real responses, followed by 3 flame responses, then the thread will be taken over by the same Chuck Norris jokes. Why do I come to Pre-Allo again?

Chuck Norris can grant wishes as long as you wish for roundhouse kicks to the face or a Total Gym.

 

[huknows00]

No that was a real response, I want to know so as to help me make my decision. Who says everyone accepted to HMS is already going to go...

I think med schools don't influence how good a physician is going to be as much as residency and fellowships do, but that's just my intuition. So I don't think Harvard particularly produces bad physicians, because last time i checked they had a pretty good match list.

 

[wetlightning]

i know that HMS has a great match list, what i'm interested in is whether HMS-trained physicians are prepared to handle residency as well as docs from other programs. and this isn't just targeting HMS...what are rumors about other programs as well?

 

[drmota]

chuck norris trained dr. kevorkian.
-mota

 

[Ranger47]

Chuck Norris does not hunt because the word hunting infers the probability of failure. Chuck Norris goes killing.

 

[drmota]

i know that HMS has a great match list, what i'm interested in is whether HMS-trained physicians are prepared to handle residency as well as docs from other programs. and this isn't just targeting HMS...what are rumors about other programs as well?

my mom is a radiologist who gets new residents every two weeks. one night at a restaurant we bumped into one of her ex-residents and she got really excited to see him and was going on and on about how great of a resident she was. he was from HMS. a little bit of anectodal evidence to crush this notion, quite a silly one i might add.
-mota

 

[pinkey]

Chuck Norris once visited the Virgin Islands. They are now known as "The Islands".

 

[BaylorGuy]

I predict 2 real responses, followed by 3 flame responses, then the thread will be taken over by the same Chuck Norris jokes. Why do I come to Pre-Allo again?

I ask myself the same question everyday....at least now we know that SDN has turned into Collegehumor

 

[pinkey]

I ask myself the same question everyday....at least now we know that SDN has turned into Collegehumor

It's simple. Start an ignorant and offensive thread, deal with Chuck Norris.

 

[ChocolateKiss]

cause i don't think harvard's one of 'em... 🙄

It obviously depends on wheat your definition of a well-trained doc is, but if you are talking pure clinical schools, this is my rating of the top ten schools. I've based this on informal comments from med students and physicians I've talked to throughout the process.

1. U Mich
2. U of Wash
3. Duke
4. U Penn
5. Hopkins
6. UCSF
6. Columbia
7. Harvard
8. Yale
9. Stanford

 

[Elastase]

It obviously depends on wheat your definition of a well-trained doc is, but if you are talking pure clinical schools, this is my rating of the top ten schools. I've based this on informal comments from med students and physicians I've talked to throughout the process.

1. U Mich
2. U of Wash
3. Duke
4. U Penn
5. Hopkins
6. UCSF
6. Columbia
7. Harvard
8. Yale
9. Stanford

I second Michigan being really up there, mad propz for U Mich.

 

[Mr. Tee]

It obviously depends on wheat your definition of a well-trained doc is, but if you are talking pure clinical schools, this is my rating of the top ten schools. I've based this on informal comments from med students and physicians I've talked to throughout the process.

1. U Mich
2. U of Wash
3. Duke
4. U Penn
5. Hopkins
6. UCSF
6. Columbia
7. Harvard
8. Yale
9. Stanford

Hmm...where do you think Mayo would fit on your list?

 

[mshheaddoc]

I think Princeton should be top of that list ...

I don't think the ivies have the best docs either ... some of the best that I know graduated from your mid-tier school.

Name is just prestige to open the doors. If you are good, you'll get the residency.

 

[prettymd05]

Chuck Norris once visited the Virgin Islands. They are now known as "The Islands".

that was the one and only chuck norris joke that i laughed at.

 

[Law2Doc]

It's simple. Start an ignorant and offensive thread, deal with Chuck Norris.

Yes. SDN is a safer place now that Ranger Walker is on the case. 👍

 

[FrkyBgStok]

i talked to a Doc that said the worst resident she had EVER had was from HMS. for what its worth.

 

[Orthodoc40]

I've been around the students AND residents there & the students do not seem very well trained at all, frankly. They tell me that HMS students basically have to teach themselves because faculty members are disinterested and rarely accessible.

 

[Chuck Norris]

that was the one and only chuck norris joke that i laughed at.

Well you know, the literal translation of "lesbian" is, "has yet to meet Chuck Norris"

 

[Brainsucker]

Dude, that's the whole new pathway curriculum in a nutshell: Go to the library and teach yourself. That's what your $40K is for.

 

[Rafa]

Dude, that's the whole new pathway curriculum in a nutshell: Go to the library and teach yourself. That's what your $40K is for.

Like that scene in Good Will Hunting:

Will: You wasted $150,000 on an education you coulda got for a buck fifty in late charges at the public library.

 

[potato51]

Honestly I've seen no difference amongst the doctors I know. I would say, though, that the most amazing doctors I know went to Duke and Univ of Missouri-Kansas City but they did their residencies at Duke and Harvard, respectively.

 

[Mr. Tee]

I think Princeton should be top of that list ...

Uh....? 😕

 

[Law2Doc]

Uh....? 😕

It's called a joke.

 

[medicworm]

What about U of Chicago - Pritzker? I hear a lot of their residents become chief residents. I hadn't heard that about any of the other schools, but then again, I don't really hear much about them at all. 😀

 

[happydays]

I second Michigan being really up there, mad propz for U Mich.

Another vote for UMich. Since I'll be the best doctor ever known to man-kind, that naturally will make UMich the best school ever known to man-kind.



I wasn't joking.



Ok, I was, sort of.

 

[NRAI2001]

It obviously depends on wheat your definition of a well-trained doc is, but if you are talking pure clinical schools, this is my rating of the top ten schools. I've based this on informal comments from med students and physicians I've talked to throughout the process.

1. U Mich
2. U of Wash
3. Duke
4. U Penn
5. Hopkins
6. UCSF
6. Columbia
7. Harvard
8. Yale
9. Stanford

Why do you think UCSF is up there? It doesnt seem like they have many "great" clinical sites.

 

[bootz]

Why do you think UCSF is up there? It doesnt seem like they have many "great" clinical sites.

S.F. General is pretty good!

 

[Mr. Tee]

It's called a joke.

I must have missed it, since the rest of the post was serious 😉

 

[ChocolateKiss]

It obviously depends on wheat your definition of a well-trained doc is, but if you are talking pure clinical schools, this is my rating of the top ten schools. I've based this on informal comments from med students and physicians I've talked to throughout the process.

1. U Mich
2. U of Wash
3. Duke
4. U Penn
5. Hopkins
6. UCSF
6. Columbia
7. Harvard
8. Yale
9. Stanford

Let me clarify my post. I thought the question was asking, "Out of the Top Ten US NEWS Schools, which train the best docs?" Thus, I took the top 10 research schools and ranked them. I don't mean to say that these schools are the best at training docs out of ALL medical schools. That's why schools like Yale, Harvard, Stanford, etc are on the list despite the fact that they have reps (in some circles) for not having very intense clinical training.

 

[silas2642]

Chuck Norris once visited the Virgin Islands. They are now known as "The Islands".

Didn't your fat momma used to be one of the Virgin Islands?

 

[pinkey]

Didn't your fat momma used to be one of the Virgin Islands?

Wow, you're smart and witty.

 

[wetlightning]

Let me clarify my post. I thought the question was asking, "Out of the Top Ten US NEWS Schools, which train the best docs?" Thus, I took the top 10 research schools and ranked them. I don't mean to say that these schools are the best at training docs out of ALL medical schools. That's why schools like Yale, Harvard, Stanford, etc are on the list despite the fact that they have reps (in some circles) for not having very intense clinical training.

that's exactly what i was asking, so thanks for the response!

 

[silas2642]

Wow, you're smart and witty.

AND single, can you believe it? (wink, wink) 😉

 

[DNM503]

Let me clarify my post. I thought the question was asking, "Out of the Top Ten US NEWS Schools, which train the best docs?" Thus, I took the top 10 research schools and ranked them. I don't mean to say that these schools are the best at training docs out of ALL medical schools. That's why schools like Yale, Harvard, Stanford, etc are on the list despite the fact that they have reps (in some circles) for not having very intense clinical training.

Hey, could you elaborate on what you've heard about poor clinical training at Stanford? I have only heard horrible things about Yale out of the 3 schools you've mentioned. I recently interviewed at Stanford, and absolutely loved it. I'm just looking for as much info as possible...even if it is hearsay. I can be the judge of its value myself. Thanks.

 

[beponychick]

guys, stop hating on Harvard! You know you would be there in a split-second if you had the chance. I know I would. 😉

 

[Risa]

Another vote for UMich. Since I'll be the best doctor ever known to man-kind, that naturally will make UMich the best school ever known to man-kind.

Darnit, happydays, I was going to make this very joke, but you beat me to it. I guess it's conclusive then: UMich beats Harvard by a nose 😎

 

[wetlightning]

nope, these are serious questions from people debating between top 10 schools. no harvard-hating

 

[CaipirinhaQuinho]

It obviously depends on wheat your definition of a well-trained doc is, but if you are talking pure clinical schools, this is my rating of the top ten schools. I've based this on informal comments from med students and physicians I've talked to throughout the process.

1. U Mich
2. U of Wash
3. Duke
4. U Penn
5. Hopkins
6. UCSF
6. Columbia
7. Harvard
8. Yale
9. Stanford

Why is Penn above Hopkins? I'm deciding on both so give some specifics.

 

[ChocolateKiss]

Hey, could you elaborate on what you've heard about poor clinical training at Stanford? I have only heard horrible things about Yale out of the 3 schools you've mentioned. I recently interviewed at Stanford, and absolutely loved it. I'm just looking for as much info as possible...even if it is hearsay. I can be the judge of its value myself. Thanks.

Stanford was actually one of my top choices, but I was a little concerned that it was too research-focused at the expense of clinical training, so I talked to quite a few residents and fellows who did their post-grad training at Stanford. Unanimously, they agreed that all of the Stanford students were bright, interesting, and diverse, but the general opinion was that these students lacked clinical skills. Apparently, Stanford's rotations are not nearly as intense at some other schools. Their research, however, is really top-notch, and if you want to go into academic medicine, Stanford has few rivals.

Oh- I also talked to a residency director at another school who said that he has been disappointed with the clinical skills of some of the students he's seen coming out of Stanford. Now, don't take this the wrong way- Stanford has an amazing match list, and going to Stanford will not in any way prevent you from getting the residency of your dreams. Also, you can probably catch up on any clinical skills that you haven't developed after a few month of residency, so I don't think the apparently mediocre clinical training at Stanford will necesarily do any harm.

Remember, this is just my $.02 after talking to random people who have trained or worked with Stanford students, so take it with a grain of salt.

Oh, check out Wikipedia too. Look up Stanford Med- you'll see that even Wikipedia mentions the lack of good clinical training...

 

[ChocolateKiss]

Why is Penn above Hopkins? I'm deciding on both so give some specifics.

Again- I'm prefacing this by reminding you this is just my unqualified opinion.

Although Hopkins clearly has some of the best hospitals in the world and sees some of the most unique and exciting cases in existence, the school has a big focus on research that detracts a little from the clinical education. You just can't do everything, and a large portion of Hopkins students are preparing for acadmic medicine careers and need to focus on research.

Penn seems to focus slightly less on research and slightly more on clinical training than Hopkins. I also think the 1.5 yr science curriculum at Penn facilitates a better clinical experience because students get into the clinics earlier and have more time to space our their clinical requirements and electives. For these reasons, I'd rank Penn above Hopkins. The difference is not huge though- that's why I put them one after the other.

 

[ChocolateKiss]

Okay, I just realized I replaced Wash U in STL with Yale when ranking the top ten. Sorry about that. I'm surprised no one called me on that! I'm going to leave Yale in my rankings since it's #11 though.

Here are my new rankings.

1. U Mich
2. U of Wash
3. Duke
4. U Penn
5. Hopkins
5. Wash U in STL
7. UCSF
7. Columbia
9. Harvard
10. Yale
11. Stanford

 

[LabMonster]

Wake. Every student I've talked to has felt prepared for residency.

Of course I'm biased.

 

[Wahina]

I know a guy who went to Duke who told me WashU prepares better docs than Duke. I also know quite a few docs who say Harvard sucks for clinical training. But I take any of these opinions with a grain of salt. First, how many docs from Harvard do most of these people know? A handful? So they are basing an opinion off some small random sample to begin with. And I think another thing is that people hate on top schools and are much more critical of people from top schools than from lower ranked schools. Like if a doc from Harvard doesn't know how to do something people are quicker to jump to the conclusion that Harvard sucks than they would be if the doc was from another school.

 

[happydays]

Darnit, happydays, I was going to make this very joke, but you beat me to it. I guess it's conclusive then: UMich beats Harvard by a nose 😎

I just know that at UMich, you get WORKED your third year. They will take you DOWN, deprive you of all dignity, but you'll emerge a butterfly. I'm still mentalling perparing myself for the beatdown. Does Harvard do this?

 

[kid_ic]

if we're including top 11, shouldnt we have UCLA up there too (its tied with Yale in US news rankings)

Okay, I just realized I replaced Wash U in STL with Yale when ranking the top ten. Sorry about that. I'm surprised no one called me on that! I'm going to leave Yale in my rankings since it's #11 though.

Here are my new rankings.

1. U Mich
2. U of Wash
3. Duke
4. U Penn
5. Hopkins
5. Wash U in STL
7. UCSF
7. Columbia
9. Harvard
10. Yale
11. Stanford