What was your first mistake as a pharmacist?

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By 'mistake' I mean one that reaches the patient. And also if you feel like sharing, what was your worst mistake? All of my professors have reiterated that mistakes can be made by the best pharmacists out there but I just want some reassurance I guess. :laugh: Would fatal mistakes be grounds for termination? For example, giving too high a dose of warfarin to a patient who eventually bleeds to death? It's just scary to think that I'm going to be approving everything that goes out of the pharmacy without anyone double checking me. Plus with the volume and short-staff... 😱
 
By 'mistake' I mean one that reaches the patient. And also if you feel like sharing, what was your worst mistake? All of my professors have reiterated that mistakes can be made by the best pharmacists out there but I just want some reassurance I guess. :laugh: Would fatal mistakes be grounds for termination? For example, giving too high a dose of warfarin to a patient who eventually bleeds to death? It's just scary to think that I'm going to be approving everything that goes out of the pharmacy without anyone double checking me. Plus with the volume and short-staff... 😱

My very first mistake as a licensed pharmacist was dispensing hydroxyzine for hydralazine. It did get to the pt, but the pt questioned the tablets before taking...so I was able to rectify the situation.

I've NEVER made that same mistake again!

I won't tell you the worst - it truly was the worst - was contributory to significant morbidity in the pt. There is no purpose in going over it again here & I learned a very hard & scary lesson. There are NO shortcuts & NO way you can do things "fast". Dispensing takes time. Give it the time it requires. It doesn't matter that they can get a burger & a soda faster.....you're not doing burgers & sodas.

In my experience, fatal mistakes (no - mine was not fatal...but, I've had friend's who've had fatal mistakes) are not grounds for dismissal. But, it makes you lose your confidence in yourself, which is just as bad. Each & every pharmacist I've known who has been involved in a mistake which resulted in a fatality either left the profession or committed suicide.

You will need significant counseling after an event of that magnitude.

So - what's the lesson? Take your time. Don't let anyone push you. If something is needed "stat" - they have the crash cart. That whining mom with the crying child - let them sit there & whine & cry...they've been doing that or 2 hours in the drs office. Just get the dose & directions correct! The pt that has to catch a plane, bus, train, etc....will either get it or they won't - but you won't be responsible for putting them in the hospital once they get where they need to go!

Good luck - stay calm & patient - keep your patient's best interest at heart first & foremost!
 
Was taking in a rx over the phone. Took down Fioricet instead of ferrous sulfate. It would have gotten to the patient if the prescription hadn't been for the technician's dad I work with - my bad. 😳
 
SDN - you've had friends make FATAL mistakes? I am a new practioner and try to be so careful but I've already made one error that reached the patient (long story but more of a systems error because the pre-typed form was incorrect). How did they cope? I just don't know how I could go on as a pharmacist knowing that I was the reason someone died. What kind of mistakes were they?

What is your checking technique? I want to make sure this never happens to me but I know that humans are imperfect and we are bound to make mistakes.
 
i second that, sdn....you never need to be fast.
i read somewhere, on a paramedic's blog, that "smooth = faster"

i try to subscribe to that way of thinking. if you do things smooth and clean and streamlined, you will be done quickly and more importantly, you will have a process you can depend on.
ie...someone asked me "how do i have TPN's done more quickly than another pharmacist?"
well....first i said that i only add every other additive. J/k!

actually, to expand on the streamlined thing: i always make TPN the same way, whether i'm making 2 or 20.
- enter in computer
- print labels
- set up automix [i don't use the micromix, i feel that $100 worth of tubing is silly and i can add my lytes quicker than it takes to set up and calibrate]
- label bags and run base solutions
- set up lytes...in the order that's on the work label...except insulin first, then cal gluc...then everything else.


oh,man i just gave away one of my tricks...well, it might not work for anyone else. it works for me. that's the point...find a process you're confident in and go with it!
 
I don't recall making any mistakes that reached the patient. Either I'm blocking it out or it was never caught. And trust me..I make a lot of mistakes. I'm not the most detailed oriented person out there.

But one of the part time pharmacist I worked with as an intern dispensed 50mg of Amphotericin that killed a pediatric patient. Physician claims he wrote 5.0mg. The order looked like 50mg. The physician and the nurse received a slap on the wrist... the pharmacist I believe took the most blame.
 
i second that, sdn....you never need to be fast.
i read somewhere, on a paramedic's blog, that "smooth = faster"

i try to subscribe to that way of thinking. if you do things smooth and clean and streamlined, you will be done quickly and more importantly, you will have a process you can depend on.
ie...someone asked me "how do i have TPN's done more quickly than another pharmacist?"
well....first i said that i only add every other additive. J/k!

actually, to expand on the streamlined thing: i always make TPN the same way, whether i'm making 2 or 20.
- enter in computer
- print labels
- set up automix [i don't use the micromix, i feel that $100 worth of tubing is silly and i can add my lytes quicker than it takes to set up and calibrate]
- label bags and run base solutions
- set up lytes...in the order that's on the work label...except insulin first, then cal gluc...then everything else.


oh,man i just gave away one of my tricks...well, it might not work for anyone else. it works for me. that's the point...find a process you're confident in and go with it!


This is a good illustration of why most of the Medication Errors are systematic error rather than a human error. We all know human errors occur. Denying this fact will only encourage more errors. It's when an instiution takes a team approach to creating a non-punitive program of reporting medication error, you can truly improve the medication delivery system to reduce errors.

Except Tussy took it upon herself to have a system of making TPNs that's safe and effective...even if she's only putting in every other ingredient...:meanie:
 
and sometimes...if it's like 5 units of insulin or less...

i just wave the vial at the bag!

:idea:
 
and sometimes...if it's like 5 units of insulin or less...

i just wave the vial at the bag!

:idea:


Yeah...but are you gently swirling waving or is it a death choke hold wave?
 
SDN - you've had friends make FATAL mistakes? I am a new practioner and try to be so careful but I've already made one error that reached the patient (long story but more of a systems error because the pre-typed form was incorrect). How did they cope? I just don't know how I could go on as a pharmacist knowing that I was the reason someone died. What kind of mistakes were they?

What is your checking technique? I want to make sure this never happens to me but I know that humans are imperfect and we are bound to make mistakes.

Yep....I've had friends who have made fatal mistakes & yes....it is hard to go on. One left the profession (went to law school & is now specializes in pharmacy law), one actually committed suicide (not over this, but it was certainly contributory) & all the others have received professional counseling. The errors were things like dosing narcotics in peds, mixing the wrong drug for an intrathecal chemo, contaminating an injectable for intrarticular use & simple....just filling the wrong drug than the label stated & no one caught it.

What is my checking technique? As tussionex said....do the SAME THING IN THE SAME MANNER EACH & EVERY TIME. It doesn't matter if you're mixing tpns, checking tpns made by techs, checking rxs, filling rxs or administering vaccines. Sometimes...I'll get a "feeling" that I've not done something right - somehow my rhythm was "off". I start back over & bingo - I find an error. If I get interrupted - I start over from the beginning (yep - put the tablets back in the bottle & recount). I'm really good at "tuning out" noise & distraction. I'll let the phone ring rather than interrupt my filling if I've started a process which I can't start over - a tpn for example.

Each time must be the same & it must work for you. The techs HATE this & I can understand why. Each of us has our own system (for example....I won't check a tpn made by a tech until he/she has turned all the labels to the front - why??? They know I expect them to have read that label the last time they put it down. Now...they probably don't,, but if my expectation has made them catch their own error once - it was of benefit. Its also how I finish when I mix a tpn or fill anything. All labels face me.

For techs to work with different pharmacists individual systems, it requires flexibility. I admire them & will often praise them.

But...I never, ever let someone rush me (unless its a code & I still will read the label of each carpuject before handing it across to the nurse).

Good luck! You'll make a mistake & you'll make more than one. First, own up to it. Don't "blame" anyone or any system (I know you aren't blaming the system here). If it was a system error - that was "contributory", but doesn't get you out of doing your job. This will often happen when First Data Bank won't get the "advisory labels" attached to a drug (First Data Bank is the company all pharmacy computer systems buy their drug data bases from). Just because it doesn't "print" doesn't mean you don't have to apply your own cautionary label & counsel. The system is designed to help, but it is your job to catch wrong orders - pretyped or handwritten.

So....take responsibility; contact the pt, prescriber & your own supervisor when it occurs; think about what factors caused you to make the error; change what you need to change about or within yourself then move on. If you can't move on, seek counseling. Be sure to have a good sounding board. Someone outside the profession, but close to you (of course...don't divulge the circumstances or person affected) who you can confide in. An SO is good. That helps to keep you grounded & realize you are still human & fallible.

Good luck! Treat each order as if you were filling it for your own child - that will help slow you down if you need to. We've all been there so you are not alone.
 
Yep....I've had friends who have made fatal mistakes & yes....it is hard to go on. One left the profession (went to law school & is now specializes in pharmacy law), one actually committed suicide (not over this, but it was certainly contributory) & all the others have received professional counseling. The errors were things like dosing narcotics in peds, mixing the wrong drug for an intrathecal chemo, contaminating an injectable for intrarticular use & simple....just filling the wrong drug than the label stated & no one caught it.

What is my checking technique? As tussionex said....do the SAME THING IN THE SAME MANNER EACH & EVERY TIME. It doesn't matter if you're mixing tpns, checking tpns made by techs, checking rxs, filling rxs or administering vaccines. Sometimes...I'll get a "feeling" that I've not done something right - somehow my rhythm was "off". I start back over & bingo - I find an error. If I get interrupted - I start over from the beginning (yep - put the tablets back in the bottle & recount). I'm really good at "tuning out" noise & distraction. I'll let the phone ring rather than interrupt my filling if I've started a process which I can't start over - a tpn for example.

Each time must be the same & it must work for you. The techs HATE this & I can understand why. Each of us has our own system (for example....I won't check a tpn made by a tech until he/she has turned all the labels to the front - why??? They know I expect them to have read that label the last time they put it down. Now...they probably don't,, but if my expectation has made them catch their own error once - it was of benefit. Its also how I finish when I mix a tpn or fill anything. All labels face me.

For techs to work with different pharmacists individual systems, it requires flexibility. I admire them & will often praise them.

But...I never, ever let someone rush me (unless its a code & I still will read the label of each carpuject before handing it across to the nurse).

Good luck! You'll make a mistake & you'll make more than one. First, own up to it. Don't "blame" anyone or any system (I know you aren't blaming the system here). If it was a system error - that was "contributory", but doesn't get you out of doing your job. This will often happen when First Data Bank won't get the "advisory labels" attached to a drug (First Data Bank is the company all pharmacy computer systems buy their drug data bases from). Just because it doesn't "print" doesn't mean you don't have to apply your own cautionary label & counsel. The system is designed to help, but it is your job to catch wrong orders - pretyped or handwritten.

So....take responsibility; contact the pt, prescriber & your own supervisor when it occurs; think about what factors caused you to make the error; change what you need to change about or within yourself then move on. If you can't move on, seek counseling. Be sure to have a good sounding board. Someone outside the profession, but close to you (of course...don't divulge the circumstances or person affected) who you can confide in. An SO is good. That helps to keep you grounded & realize you are still human & fallible.

Good luck! Treat each order as if you were filling it for your own child - that will help slow you down if you need to. We've all been there so you are not alone.

Good Lord...you got wild fingers..even this early in the morning.

btw..I read somewhere McKesson and First Data Bank got sued for AWP fixing.. :meanie:
 
This is a good illustration of why most of the Medication Errors are systematic error rather than a human error. We all know human errors occur. Denying this fact will only encourage more errors. It's when an instiution takes a team approach to creating a non-punitive program of reporting medication error, you can truly improve the medication delivery system to reduce errors.

Except Tussy took it upon herself to have a system of making TPNs that's safe and effective...even if she's only putting in every other ingredient...:meanie:

Agreed! Systems are designed to continually change. Thats why its good to work for a dept which encourages you to share the errors. It helps to educate the rest of the dept in where the flaws are & how to avoid them until they can be programmed out of the system.

I forgot to add - the whole team approach idea. When you enter an order into the system...yes, it allows Pyxis or whatever distribution system you have to be opened, but it probably prints the nursing MARs. You have to be sure the nurse can make sense of what you write so when he/she reads it on the MAR....it makes sense. This is particularly confusing when you have a drug with a taper dose which requires tablet strength changes. It makes sense to you to enter it one right after the other, but it may not print that way.

Be sure your dop has someone who is on the M&M committee. That's where you'll hear about all sorts of system errors which have contributed to pt morbidity.
 
Good Lord...you got wild fingers..even this early in the morning.

btw..I read somewhere McKesson and First Data Bank got sued for AWP fixing.. :meanie:

Honey - my fingers are wild at all times of the day😉😛

Yes - indeed they did get burned on AWP fixing. I think its still winding thru the courts.

But....all thats changed now that we are changing to AMP.
 
Honey - my fingers are wild at all times of the day😉😛

Yes - indeed they did get burned on AWP fixing. I think its still winding thru the courts.

But....all thats changed now that we are changing to AMP.

Isn't CMS mandating a change to "acquisition cost?" What a mess that will be...every hospital has a different acquisition cost.

btw...I was flew in and out of your area...I was so tempted to leave the airport to go find an In and Out.... but I'll have to wait till December.
 
Isn't CMS mandating a change to "acquisition cost?" What a mess that will be...every hospital has a different acquisition cost.

btw...I was flew in and out of your area...I was so tempted to leave the airport to go find an In and Out.... but I'll have to wait till December.

Yeah - we'll see what actually ends up being the cost basis. Not only does each hospital have a different acquisition cost, that cost changes based on multiple factors - how can CMS change that fast??? We know it can't!

Why didn't you stop by??? There's not an In and Out too close to the airport anymore - I think the closest is by Santa Clara Univ.

But...I'm not too far away - I'd have dr sdn put on another burger for you - we just had them. But...Dec - hmmm maybe we'll do a steak, red wine....a more "winter" meal🙂.

Dec in CA beats Dec in VT!!!
 
Yeah - we'll see what actually ends up being the cost basis. Not only does each hospital have a different acquisition cost, that cost changes based on multiple factors - how can CMS change that fast??? We know it can't!

Why didn't you stop by??? There's not an In and Out too close to the airport anymore - I think the closest is by Santa Clara Univ.

But...I'm not too far away - I'd have dr sdn put on another burger for you - we just had them. But...Dec - hmmm maybe we'll do a steak, red wine....a more "winter" meal🙂.

Dec in CA beats Dec in VT!!!

Hells no I'm not going to VT in December...I was thinking there was an In and Out in Vegas. For ASHP.

Oh...I was just laying over.
 
Hells no I'm not going to VT in December...I was thinking there was an In and Out in Vegas. For ASHP.

Oh...I was just laying over.

There is. Right off the strip.
 
My first error was I dispensed Thiothixene instead of trihexyphenidyl. It reached the pt but luckily the pt called back questioning the appearance of the pill! My worst was filling methotrexate under a pt's spouse instead of the pt. I am so lucky that the wife new the methotrexate was for her even though it was under the husbands name. I hate to think of mistakes but we are human. I have a systematic way of checking and verifying and I do it the same way each time.
 
I'm a pharmacy student, but the first mistake [that i'm aware of] was this summer... 5mg Tacrolimus went out instead of 0.5 mg Tacrolimus, pharmacist didn't catch it either. Pt. noticed the bottle top was a different color [they get the same amount that's in a bottle so they give bottles]. It's not really on my shoulders and I think the tech misled me to grab the 5mg cause there was another pt on .5mg + 5mg tabs so it was a bit confusing at the time. Still unnerving.
 
I'm a pharmacy student, but the first mistake [that i'm aware of] was this summer... 5mg Tacrolimus went out instead of 0.5 mg Tacrolimus, pharmacist didn't catch it either. Pt. noticed the bottle top was a different color [they get the same amount that's in a bottle so they give bottles]. It's not really on my shoulders and I think the tech misled me to grab the 5mg cause there was another pt on .5mg + 5mg tabs so it was a bit confusing at the time. Still unnerving.

Pharmacy students don't make mistakes. Pharmacists do.
 
My very first mistake as a licensed pharmacist was dispensing hydroxyzine for hydralazine. It did get to the pt, but the pt questioned the tablets before taking...so I was able to rectify the situation.

I've NEVER made that same mistake again!

Pliva makes our HydrOXYzine and our hyDRALazine. The bottles look exactly the same in size and label color. The only difference is the letters are capitalized in their names. Every time I go to the shelf to get one they are all mixed up and you have to really look to tell the difference.

Pliva also makes tramadol and trazodone which have bottles that look exactly the same. Had one of my pharmacists make that dispensing error. Ended up going with a 500 count bottle of trazodone so the could not get mixed up.
 
JCAHO VIOLATION!

~meg

I think Mountain works in outpt retail - not outpt hospital. So, not governed by JCAHO. And...she is a better (if not happier!) to not have to deal with JCAHO!
 
i second that, sdn....you never need to be fast.
i read somewhere, on a paramedic's blog, that "smooth = faster"

i try to subscribe to that way of thinking. if you do things smooth and clean and streamlined, you will be done quickly and more importantly, you will have a process you can depend on.
ie...someone asked me "how do i have TPN's done more quickly than another pharmacist?"
well....first i said that i only add every other additive. J/k!

actually, to expand on the streamlined thing: i always make TPN the same way, whether i'm making 2 or 20.
- enter in computer
- print labels
- set up automix [i don't use the micromix, i feel that $100 worth of tubing is silly and i can add my lytes quicker than it takes to set up and calibrate]
- label bags and run base solutions
- set up lytes...in the order that's on the work label...except insulin first, then cal gluc...then everything else.


oh,man i just gave away one of my tricks...well, it might not work for anyone else. it works for me. that's the point...find a process you're confident in and go with it!

This is off topic, but how common is it for pharmacists to mix TPNS? I'm a hospital tech and we're the ones who mix TPNS in all the hospitals I know of. The pharmacist just checks them at the end.
 
This is off topic, but how common is it for pharmacists to mix TPNS? I'm a hospital tech and we're the ones who mix TPNS in all the hospitals I know of. The pharmacist just checks them at the end.

Depends on staffing honestly. If there's not enough staff, the pharmacist mixes. That applies to everything that goes on in a pharmacy.

I'm not in the pharmacy all the time (I'm in ICU & OR too), so I may mix every week or so - not just tpns - other stuff as well.

Its good to keep your fingers "wet".

But, as a pharmacist.....I will thank you for the work you do! I appreciate you tremendously! Thanks!
 
This is off topic, but how common is it for pharmacists to mix TPNS? I'm a hospital tech and we're the ones who mix TPNS in all the hospitals I know of. The pharmacist just checks them at the end.


not at my hospital and probably not in most of NY if they actually want to follow the regs. it is considered "compounding" and therefore not allowed to be performed by unlicensed personnel.
i know, lots of techs including mine make IV's.....but we make the TPNs...honestly, i think you can do more damage with a badly made narcotic drip or abx than TPN....
 
Pliva makes our HydrOXYzine and our hyDRALazine. The bottles look exactly the same in size and label color. The only difference is the letters are capitalized in their names. Every time I go to the shelf to get one they are all mixed up and you have to really look to tell the difference.

Pliva also makes tramadol and trazodone which have bottles that look exactly the same. Had one of my pharmacists make that dispensing error. Ended up going with a 500 count bottle of trazodone so the could not get mixed up.

I wonder why companies aren't forced to do at least different colored printing on bottles like that since they are so easy to mix up.
 
Pliva makes our HydrOXYzine and our hyDRALazine. The bottles look exactly the same in size and label color. The only difference is the letters are capitalized in their names. Every time I go to the shelf to get one they are all mixed up and you have to really look to tell the difference.

Pliva also makes tramadol and trazodone which have bottles that look exactly the same. Had one of my pharmacists make that dispensing error. Ended up going with a 500 count bottle of trazodone so the could not get mixed up.


If your company organized by brand name, you'd have less chance of mixing up the hydralazine and the hydroxyzine, etc.
 
If your company organized by brand name, you'd have less chance of mixing up the hydralazine and the hydroxyzine, etc.

At a pharmacy I used to work at, they were right next to each other anyway. Apresoline and Atarax.
 
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