What would you do? Another "how should I invest in residency" thread...

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I'm a first year resident at a 3 year program. Thankfully I have no loans left from undergrad and only 25k in loans from med school (a combination of $ saved from a previous job and grants).

Loans are all subsidized. Interest (6.8%) and repayment won't kick in until this coming January. Originally I was planning to go into forbearance for residency but pay enough to prevent interest from accruing and then kill the principal in my first year out of residency. At the same time I was going to put whatever extra I could into a Roth…….

However, I just found out that my program offers an employer-matching retirement program, and now I'm a bit uncertain as to how to allocate. In my current situation I'm trying to set aside at least $250/mo total for loan payments/investing and titrate up as my budget allows in a given month.

I'm considering two options:

a) Focus on paying the interest on my loans each month. This works out to ~$140/mo in order to prevent 4k in interest from accruing on the principal during residency. I'd also get the perk of using these dollars as a tax write-off. I'd put an additional ~$110/mo in the hospital's matching-contribution plan each month (small but something).

b) Try to capture as much of my employer's matching funds for the retirement account. If I put $250/mo in the hospital retirement plan, the employer match contribution will be at least $3k (and possibly more) over the course of my residency and will be fully vested at the end. It's a 403b with a major brokerage with decent expense ratios but unfortunately there's no Roth option. So I guess I'd roll the 403b into a Roth at the end of 3 years (albeit not at a true "resident" tax bracket since I'd likely have an attending salary for half of that year).

At this point I'm feeling option B>A, but I've been going back and forth. Option A has the prospect of a "guaranteed" 6.8% return, yearly tax deductions, and I'm generally debt-adverse. On the other hand my relative amount of debt isn't all that high (and will be paid off in my first year as an attending anyway) and option B would allow a few extra years of ol' compound interest to accrue with the help of free money from my employer.

What would you do? Thanks in advance for any advice, I want to make sure I'm not missing anything.
 
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I'm a first year resident at a 3 year program. Thankfully I have no loans left from undergrad and only 25k in loans from med school (a combination of $ saved from a previous job and grants).

Loans are all subsidized. Interest (6.8%) and repayment won’t kick in until this coming January. Originally I was planning to go into forbearance for residency but pay enough to prevent interest from accruing and then kill the principal in my first year out of residency. At the same time I was going to put whatever extra I could into a Roth…….

However, I just found out that my program offers an employer-matching retirement program, and now I’m a bit uncertain as to how to allocate. In my current situation I’m trying to set aside at least $250/mo total for loan payments/investing and titrate up as my budget allows in a given month.

I’m considering two options:

a) Focus on paying the interest on my loans each month. This works out to ~$140/mo in order to prevent 4k in interest from accruing on the principal during residency. I’d also get the perk of using these dollars as a tax write-off. I’d put an additional ~$110/mo in the hospital’s matching-contribution plan each month (small but something).

b) Try to capture as much of my employer’s matching funds for the retirement account. If I put $250/mo in the hospital retirement plan, the employer match contribution will be at least $3k (and possibly more) over the course of my residency and will be fully vested at the end. It’s a 403b with a major brokerage with decent expense ratios but unfortunately there’s no Roth option. So I guess I’d roll the 403b into a Roth at the end of 3 years (albeit not at a true “resident” tax bracket since I’d likely have an attending salary for half of that year).

At this point I’m feeling option B>A, but I’ve been going back and forth. Option A has the prospect of a “guaranteed” 6.8% return, yearly tax deductions, and I’m generally debt-adverse. On the other hand my relative amount of debt isn’t all that high (and will be paid off in my first year as an attending anyway) and option B would allow a few extra years of ol’ compound interest to accrue with the help of free money from my employer.

What would you do? Thanks in advance for any advice, I want to make sure I’m not missing anything.
I would vote, invest up to the employer match if you can and if you have any spare money left over, put it towards the loans
 
Matched fund > paying off loans > Roth

Agree. The amount of debt you have is trivial and depending on where you end up as an attending you may not see an offer to match retirement funds again.
 
Invest the minimum required to maximize the employer match. Use the rest to pay down loans (since 6.8% interest is a rip off).
 
Because Roth's aren't earning 6.8% right now.

But there's only a limited time period when your income is low that you can contribute to a true Roth. Plus the tax benefits down the road. I would say Roth > loans is a no brainer.
 
There are far more people willing to pay off your loans than there are people willing to give you a bolus to your retirement account...
 
Maximize all your retirement accounts, pay off the loan last.

No doubt that 6%+ interest SUCKS, but matches are no brainers as there is 'free money', and likely you will never qualify for ROTHs again and that money will grow tax free for potentially 30+ years. That beats the heck out of paying off the loan.

25K in med school loans; you are probably better off than 95%+ of your peers. You can EASILY pay that off in a years worth of attending pay, even if you end up on the low end of the spectrum.
 
I don't think it matters in a 20-30 year financial plan.

More important will be how you spend, how you save in the next 20 years, and how you invest.

This is like asking how fast to run the 1st mile in a marathon - hard to win or lose the race in that first mile.
 
Thanks for all the helpful replies. Glad to hear that investments>loan payback does make sense in my case.

Thanks again y'all.
 
I'm also in the 403b > Roth > Loans boat. I'd also throw a HSA in there as well if you qualify for one.
 
It's awesome to see people actually able to discuss these subjects with reasonable information and opinions. This was so rare just a few years ago.

My thoughts on the OP's question can be found here:

http://whitecoatinvestor.com/student-loans-vs-investing/

I put Roth IRAs in residency slightly ahead of a typical student loan.

The only reason to put a Roth 403B ahead of a Roth is the match. I see little reason for a resident to use a tax-deferred 403B without a match until the Roth IRA is maxed out. Many 403Bs have crappy investments and high fees.

So for the OP:

1) 403B (preferably Roth 403B) up to the match
2) Roth IRA up to the maximum
3) 403B (preferably Roth 403B) up to the maximum
4) Student loans

Chances are you won't be able to max out a 403B on a resident salary. Since there is no Roth option, I'd #1 lobby for one (you might be surprised what a squeaky wheel can get) and #2 do a conversion upon residency graduation.
 
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