Another "which job" thread

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gruemd

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Hey all. Looking for some perspective. I'm too in my head about this, and I just need a place to write it out. Sorry for the wall of text, thanks for your time.

tl;dr: Current job slow-mid pace, 275ish/hr, kinda boring town but ultimately good for family, potential new job 350-400+/hr but much faster paced, slightly less boring town, worried about burning out from higher stress but also wanna get that bag while the getting is good

Current job: 1650ish hours a year, democratic group with people I generally enjoy working with, avg 270/hr, should be going up to 280/hr or so in a year with renegotiations but won't go higher than that, flat rate/no RVU based pay, W2/K1, can put away about 80k a year pretax with some other nice side benefits that are too specific to mention here. 1.6-1.7ish pph, single shop about 10 minutes from home with minimal traffic, not knife and gun club in a pretty LCOL area. No hounding about metrics. Few nights, only 10-12 so far this year due to nocturnists that will probably stick around for at least another 3-4 years, then might be more nights, who knows. Hospital/staff definitely have some difficulties but overall it's fine if I don't think about it too much, medicine is just broken overall in the US and we suffer from that sometimes like anywhere else. The kind of place where I can usually get all my notes done, browse reddit, play a game on night shift, etc. Some days are crazy and I go home frazzled, many days are fine, though I don't really look forward to work, I don't dread it either, I'm just in the "EM/healthcare is dying and I'm riding this rocket into the ground" doldrums like so many here. No midlevels. Geographically a bit isolated (~3 hours to a major city, ~1.5hrs to big enough city for a costco, etc), but definitely has a "good place to raise the kids" vibe. Socially, very insular, a town I can only describe as incestuous with how everyone knows everyone and most people are "from here", very religious (we're happy heathens), we've had to fight tooth and nail to make few friends, wife often feels isolated and like we are quickly outgrowing this area, I can count my close friends on zero fingers, a full day road trip to nearest family so that's rare. Kids like it here but don't know any different. Don't feel like jobs close to family are in the cards, my hometown market is about 200/hr for significantly higher COL, hers is a popular mountain west area where opportunity cost for EM is insane and a non-starter.

Potential new job: Also democratic. Multiple shops, would sometimes have to drive ~1 hour each way a few times a month, but mostly at one shop. Purely RVU based, with true potential for 350-400+/hr, but working like a dog for it, upwards of 3pph is not uncommon. I jived with the group when I visited. Options to cut down more aggressively after putting in the time/making bank for a few years, no real minimum, could coast into retirement well. Not a predatory setup. Almost certainly more nights. Very geographically different, slightly bigger town (has a costco/trader joe's/airport), closer to wife's fam but still a 1-ish hour drive and a shorter flight away. Wife isn't thrilled about the area (crime stats, etc., though probably overblown by those I've spoken to, is more brown compared to the green we're used to) but willing to give it a shot for the sake of the job if I want it, socially it's hard to say because we both knew church as our social safety net growing up, and we haven't figured out how to replace that yet, so it'll likely be starting from scratch again.

Honestly, I think I'm most afraid that I can't hack a higher acuity faster paced setup anymore. I'm only 3-4 years out of residency, but even in residency I can admit I wasn't the fastest (wasn't the slowest either). I get a bit flustered sometimes but in general run things smoothly. It's not uncommon to see 3-4pph for 2-4 hours on solo coverage hours at my current job, but every time I do, I find myself thinking "holy $#*%" and I need 30-60 minutes to catch up when my double coverage shows up. Thinking about doing that every hour for 90% of my shifts and having my income tied to that makes me a bit anxious, but I also keep thinking, I'm at work already, why not try and maximize the hours while I'm there anyway? But then I have a chill shift at my current job and I think "I'm getting paid WHAT to be here doing this amount of work?!" I can't seem to find internal peace about this one way or the other. I feel drawn to the money and I have aspirations of retiring early (read: ASAP), but I also am very aware that my current pay is above the mean (I'm pretty sure?) for EM, and I feel like I should be happy with what I have and keep what feels like a sustainable job, for now. I'm open to any thoughts/feedback, I don't feel like there are many people I can discuss this with in my life, obviously can't talk to my current partners about it. Feels like because of family geography that we are just in the wind and it's hard to really call somewhere home, but as above, jobs near family aren't really options.

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Id stay at your current job, make bank, then move to a more desirable place when $/hr isn't as important. Your current setup sounds pretty good. I looked into a 400$/hr job recently, then found out everyone was staying 3+hrs after to clean up patients and chart. Really was 290ish when you factored that in.
Happy wife card likely trumps all.
 
I would take job 1. Just work more hours if you can.
 
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I have been in both setups. It’s clear job 1 is the better gig for you. Why risk job 2 maybe more money but sounds like a lot of risk regarding lifestyle location and travel. Its unlikely to be worth the risk when at 1600 hours x 275ish is plenty of dough to live life and get where you want to get financially
 
Stay at current job. Sounds like second job sees twice as many patients… but compensation is not twice as much.
 
This seems less about jobs and more about where you want to live / raise your family.

Job 1 seems nice until you describe your isolation.
Agree. Jobs aside, I'd give serious though to where you actually want to live for the rest of your life. The longer you stay where you are, the greater the intertia resisting a move elsewhere. Even if you and your wife have zero close friends, your kids are going to start making good friends in school and whatnot which will make a move harder as time goes on.

I'm in a HCOL area where pain medicine isn't going to pay as well as my EM job did. As much as I want to move to jabumblef*** and make 1M a year.... I don't actually want to live in BFE.

Your job happiness is definitely important, but don't forget about the rest of your life to optimize your job search.
 
Job #2, if you think you can be happy with the high pph. Work less, and make the same amount of $. Time is money. Make the most out of every hour in your life.
 
Thank you all for the input thus far. I realize after typing it all out that my own thoughts were pointing me away from job #2. The siren song of money doesn't automatically equal happiness, and I've let myself become enamored with the money in the quest for more more more rather than balancing life inside and outside of work. I can see that now, as much as the money is still there, tempting me.

We have definitely considered somewhere else that would make us happier. We're struggling to define where that would be, and why. As mentioned above, neither of our families are in locations that have great jobs available, at least not right now. She is from one of the most competitive EM environments in the country, and even with an "in" a job is tough to find, and when you do, the opportunity cost is enormous for what is also significantly increased COL.

Jobs where I'm from are in an area of the country that is on the rise, so COL has exploded the past 5 years, jobs are harder to come by, and those that I've seen are more like 190-210/hr depending on which shop, and you're expected to work at several, like 6 different places, which would be a lot of driving. Way more time to make the same amount of money.

If I loved EM and the pay didn't matter, I'd go for this and just work longer, but I have an internal clock for EM that is going to time out probably sooner rather than later, not to mention external pressures on the specialty. Our group just locked in a contract that will keep the same rate for the next several years, so at least I know my pay won't go down here (faster than CMS reimbursement rates, at least).

So, we feel somewhat unmoored geographically. I look at jobs frequently, and it always comes down to, "Why there instead of here if we don't have friends and family in either place?" and then it comes down to pay, which again, for this job is good. I'm admittedly a bit of a loner and do okay with that, my wife has definitely struggled more, because it's the kind of community where everyone has family locally and we are definitely the standouts for not. She has friends, but those friends have plenty of already established friends and family, so she struggles with the lack of availability sometimes. We have had recent discussions and are really trying to pin down what it is we want in a location, because I agree that my kids are becoming anchored here. I could also be much better in my efforts of being involved in the community which I'm sure would lead to friendships, so I can acknowledge that I've basically been head down focusing on work and it's probably time to reprioritize a bit.

Thanks again for everyone's thoughts, I'm happy to hear anything else anyone has to say. I've been in my head about this for so long I can't really hear anything but the echos anymore so this has been helpful.
 
Stay at Job #1. Job #2 is going to burn you out, kill you or lead to a divorce. The grass is always greener... While I can do 3-4PPH in bursts and do it safely, I most definitely could not do it "safely" right out of residency. Plus, who wants to be brutalized like that day end and day out? That's just not sustainable. I worked at a trauma center like that years back and the sweat would start on my neck and make its way all the way down to my ass crack by the end of my shift.
 
I've had similar thoughts as our job market is excellent at the moment and people I know are making bank.

The thing is that once your kids start school and activities (especially sports) you'll probably just pick up friends. The money is never enough and you'll always see people making more and strive for more. I think if you have a decent work setup that's stable and acceptable to you then I'd stick with it. I value time with my family more and more and don't really want to kill myself working even if it leads to more money.

It's funny how we are in the most amazing time of peace and prosperity in human history and yet it feels like no one is happy
 
Current job: 1650ish hours a year, 1.6-1.7ish pph,

Potential new job: 350-400+/hr, but working like a dog for it, upwards of 3pph is not uncommon.

Honestly, I think I'm most afraid that I can't hack a higher acuity faster paced setup anymore. I get a bit flustered sometimes I feel drawn to the money and I have aspirations of retiring early (read: ASAP)

If your choice is either Job, you have answered your question.

If you want to retire ASAP, then you need to either find something that creates a passive income or save like crazy. You make 450K/yr. After taxes you prob bring in 300K. You could easily save 150K/yr. Do this for 5 years would put you at 1M.

Create a business or something to create passive income that you enjoy. Then you can move to a bigger city and cut back on work. Its hard to docs because they are a slave to the paycheck/high income. They can't cut back until its too late and then they have wasted a large portion of their best years.
 
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