What's considered a good grade?

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So I know that preclinical grades aren't as scrutinized as other parts of you as a medical student, but I also constantly see that you should definitely still try to get "good grades". The question is, what's considered a good grade in medical school? In my pre-med days, I considered everything 90-92 to be "alright, not bad" and anything 93+ to be "yay good grades". 85-89 was an "aw darnit...you need to do better". (Note, my post-bac didn't do curves, so grading was generally the standard 70-79 = C,80-89= B with the pluses and minuses thrown in)

Now, I know pulling those types of numbers in medical school is a lot more unrealistic, so I need to change the definition of what I consider good before I fall into depression or something upon realizing I can't pull those kinds of grades or something.

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I'm at a P/F school, so I would venture and guess that B's and above would be "good"
 
It's not about the number but about what you learn and retain. The grade is merely a reflection of that. Of course they play a role in AOA which is important but if your app is stellar, there's a similar effect.
 
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There are no grades at our school. However, if I could get at least a 90 I knew that I've mastered the material. Step 1 matters way more so don't get too caught up in preclinical grades.
 
Just my personal experience here.

The best grade is the number you can get and be content with yourself. I made A after A in college, but when med school came around, shooting for >90% left me in a perpetual state of self-dissatisfaction. I had to lower my standards to make it through mentally.

Also I focused very hard on Step 1, so my pre-clinical grades reflected this.

So did my Step 1 score.
 
It has a lot more to do with yourself in relation to your class. Depending on your goals, being at or above the class average might be "good" for you. Alternatively, being a comfortable margin above passing might be good for you if you tend to struggle, or being in the top quartile might be good for you if you tend to do well easily. Just try to do your best without losing your sanity and spending all of your time on studying (save that for when boards come around).

If you're above the average, then you're doing better than half the class, so I'd say you're doing fine.

Grades vary so much by school that is hard to give a standard percentage score and say that's where you should be at.
 
Many varying standards here, though most important advice I could give would be to completely abandon your entire notion of "good" vs "bad" grades.

1) Pass -- Pre-clinically these are what you need. These are good. Passing will enable you to ultimately graduate medical school.
2) Average -- we'll assume this means passing unless your class is a bunch of idiots. Average is also good. It means you will graduate. It also means you're performing on par with a crapload of other highly motivated intelligent people
3) Above-average -- still passing. This is good because you will graduate (see the pattern here?). It means that whether because of hard work or higher baseline intelligence, you are performing above the level of most of your classmates. f
4) Acing everything -- you're a badass. You will graduate. This is good.

What I tell every entering M1 which was told to me and for which I am eternally thankful:
At the beginning, you need to hit the ground running and study like you've never studied before. Treat it almost like your dedicated step 1 prep time, just minus the stress of knowing you have to take The Beast soon. Learn the material in a level of detail so obsessive that there's nothing they could ask you couldn't answer. Live and breathe school at the beginning. Do this for the first couple of exams. The grades you get on these should reflect what is possible for you when giving it your absolute best effort. This is actually the information you need, not whether something is good or bad. You need to know what your maximum is. Then:
A) if your max is 98-100 on exams, then maybe dial back the effort a tad to preserve sanity and allow time for things like research and ECs you care about. You will almost certainly be AOA. You will do well on Steps.
B) if your max is 90-ish, you have to decide if you can sustain this long term or whether you want to titrate your effort back a bit to maintain sanity and stay at or above the class average; depending on your school this may also affect AOA eligibility.
C) if your max is 80s around the class average, again, decide how sustainable it is and titrate accordingly. These are people who will probably not end up AOA. This is also the range where you may find some benefit in putting more focus on step 1 prep alongside classwork. Again, you won't know if you're in this group without a trial run of max effort.
D) if your max effort is just on the edge of passing, then you're in for a tough road. Start seeking help and refining your study methods to see if you can maintain or improve performance. This is the group of people for whom medical school is a real struggle.
F) if your max effort is below passing, then you need to seek help and see if you can pull things up or start thinking about alternative careers. Again, if you truly give your best effort and don't pass, then you know and can avoid a lot of debt by dropping early. If you phone it in a bit, you'll drag on for a couple years racking up more debt as you gradually increase your effort only to realize it isn't enough.

So abandon the notion of 'good' and instead focus on figuring out what your personal best is. Then titrate for sanity. 🙂
 
Anything over 80% is an indicator t g at you will do fine on Step I.

High 80s and better usually means you're in the top 10% of your Class.

So I know that preclinical grades aren't as scrutinized as other parts of you as a medical student, but I also constantly see that you should definitely still try to get "good grades". The question is, what's considered a good grade in medical school? In my pre-med days, I considered everything 90-92 to be "alright, not bad" and anything 93+ to be "yay good grades". 85-89 was an "aw darnit...you need to do better". (Note, my post-bac didn't do curves, so grading was generally the standard 70-79 = C,80-89= B with the pluses and minuses thrown in)

Now, I know pulling those types of numbers in medical school is a lot more unrealistic, so I need to change the definition of what I consider good before I fall into depression or something upon realizing I can't pull those kinds of grades or something.
 
At the beginning, you need to hit the ground running and study like you've never studied before. Treat it almost like your dedicated step 1 prep time, just minus the stress of knowing you have to take The Beast soon. Learn the material in a level of detail so obsessive that there's nothing they could ask you couldn't answer. Live and breathe school at the beginning. Do this for the first couple of exams. The grades you get on these should reflect what is possible for you when giving it your absolute best effort. This is actually the information you need, not whether something is good or bad. So abandon the notion of 'good' and instead focus on figuring out what your personal best is. Then titrate for sanity. 🙂

That's the best advice you're ever going to get.
 
Many varying standards here, though most important advice I could give would be to completely abandon your entire notion of "good" vs "bad" grades.

1) Pass -- Pre-clinically these are what you need. These are good. Passing will enable you to ultimately graduate medical school.
2) Average -- we'll assume this means passing unless your class is a bunch of idiots. Average is also good. It means you will graduate. It also means you're performing on par with a crapload of other highly motivated intelligent people
3) Above-average -- still passing. This is good because you will graduate (see the pattern here?). It means that whether because of hard work or higher baseline intelligence, you are performing above the level of most of your classmates. f
4) Acing everything -- you're a badass. You will graduate. This is good.

What I tell every entering M1 which was told to me and for which I am eternally thankful:
At the beginning, you need to hit the ground running and study like you've never studied before. Treat it almost like your dedicated step 1 prep time, just minus the stress of knowing you have to take The Beast soon. Learn the material in a level of detail so obsessive that there's nothing they could ask you couldn't answer. Live and breathe school at the beginning. Do this for the first couple of exams. The grades you get on these should reflect what is possible for you when giving it your absolute best effort. This is actually the information you need, not whether something is good or bad. You need to know what your maximum is. Then:
A) if your max is 98-100 on exams, then maybe dial back the effort a tad to preserve sanity and allow time for things like research and ECs you care about. You will almost certainly be AOA. You will do well on Steps.
B) if your max is 90-ish, you have to decide if you can sustain this long term or whether you want to titrate your effort back a bit to maintain sanity and stay at or above the class average; depending on your school this may also affect AOA eligibility.
C) if your max is 80s around the class average, again, decide how sustainable it is and titrate accordingly. These are people who will probably not end up AOA. This is also the range where you may find some benefit in putting more focus on step 1 prep alongside classwork. Again, you won't know if you're in this group without a trial run of max effort.
D) if your max effort is just on the edge of passing, then you're in for a tough road. Start seeking help and refining your study methods to see if you can maintain or improve performance. This is the group of people for whom medical school is a real struggle.
F) if your max effort is below passing, then you need to seek help and see if you can pull things up or start thinking about alternative careers. Again, if you truly give your best effort and don't pass, then you know and can avoid a lot of debt by dropping early. If you phone it in a bit, you'll drag on for a couple years racking up more debt as you gradually increase your effort only to realize it isn't enough.

So abandon the notion of 'good' and instead focus on figuring out what your personal best is. Then titrate for sanity. 🙂

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So I know that preclinical grades aren't as scrutinized as other parts of you as a medical student, but I also constantly see that you should definitely still try to get "good grades". The question is, what's considered a good grade in medical school? In my pre-med days, I considered everything 90-92 to be "alright, not bad" and anything 93+ to be "yay good grades". 85-89 was an "aw darnit...you need to do better". (Note, my post-bac didn't do curves, so grading was generally the standard 70-79 = C,80-89= B with the pluses and minuses thrown in)

Now, I know pulling those types of numbers in medical school is a lot more unrealistic, so I need to change the definition of what I consider good before I fall into depression or something upon realizing I can't pull those kinds of grades or something.


For me:

90+= Good, try to learn something from what I did.
80+= Acceptable, move on.
75+= Don't panic, just an indication I need to put a LOT more work in.
High 60s= Happened in my first anatomy practical and then again once in Neuroanatomy. Both times, I met with administration and spoke to someone about my study habits and what I could be doing better. I rarely took all their advice, but like it gave me some perspective and it was a way to calm myself down.
 
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Many varying standards here, though most important advice I could give would be to completely abandon your entire notion of "good" vs "bad" grades.

1) Pass -- Pre-clinically these are what you need. These are good. Passing will enable you to ultimately graduate medical school.
2) Average -- we'll assume this means passing unless your class is a bunch of idiots. Average is also good. It means you will graduate. It also means you're performing on par with a crapload of other highly motivated intelligent people
3) Above-average -- still passing. This is good because you will graduate (see the pattern here?). It means that whether because of hard work or higher baseline intelligence, you are performing above the level of most of your classmates. f
4) Acing everything -- you're a badass. You will graduate. This is good.

What I tell every entering M1 which was told to me and for which I am eternally thankful:
At the beginning, you need to hit the ground running and study like you've never studied before. Treat it almost like your dedicated step 1 prep time, just minus the stress of knowing you have to take The Beast soon. Learn the material in a level of detail so obsessive that there's nothing they could ask you couldn't answer. Live and breathe school at the beginning. Do this for the first couple of exams. The grades you get on these should reflect what is possible for you when giving it your absolute best effort. This is actually the information you need, not whether something is good or bad. You need to know what your maximum is. Then:
A) if your max is 98-100 on exams, then maybe dial back the effort a tad to preserve sanity and allow time for things like research and ECs you care about. You will almost certainly be AOA. You will do well on Steps.
B) if your max is 90-ish, you have to decide if you can sustain this long term or whether you want to titrate your effort back a bit to maintain sanity and stay at or above the class average; depending on your school this may also affect AOA eligibility.
C) if your max is 80s around the class average, again, decide how sustainable it is and titrate accordingly. These are people who will probably not end up AOA. This is also the range where you may find some benefit in putting more focus on step 1 prep alongside classwork. Again, you won't know if you're in this group without a trial run of max effort.
D) if your max effort is just on the edge of passing, then you're in for a tough road. Start seeking help and refining your study methods to see if you can maintain or improve performance. This is the group of people for whom medical school is a real struggle.
F) if your max effort is below passing, then you need to seek help and see if you can pull things up or start thinking about alternative careers. Again, if you truly give your best effort and don't pass, then you know and can avoid a lot of debt by dropping early. If you phone it in a bit, you'll drag on for a couple years racking up more debt as you gradually increase your effort only to realize it isn't enough.

So abandon the notion of 'good' and instead focus on figuring out what your personal best is. Then titrate for sanity. 🙂


I think the biggest thing that hurt me in medical school was initially scoring in the 80s range when giving it pretty close to my all and then feeling the need to bump in up to be an academic stand out and then burning myself/switching study methods trying to do this only to suffer disappointment each time. I know many people will read this and think they'll be different, and you're welcome to try but if you're doing what Operaman's post is saying and your average in the 80s/comfortable pass but no distinction, accept it. It's not a quitters attitude, it's a strategic attitude which be better for you in this long haul we call medicine.
 
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Operaman deserves a ton of these gift cards. Every single one of his posts that I've read were insightful, well thought out and eloquent.
 
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