what's the oldest med school?

[rjmst]

which medical school is the oldest medical school in the country?

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[DW]

i'm pretty confident that honor belongs to UPenn, but i'm not entirely sure

 

[lalalala]

yep, it's Penn, they don't let you forget about it either, hehe 😛

 

[Focus]

actually, there's another school , pretty famous that claims to be that old too..I can't remember it off the top of my head. But that school claimed to be the oldest..was it columbia? I can't remember, but UPENN and that school was founded about the same time. But I'd probably have to say Upenn as well.

 

[Jadeite]

What I don't understand is why would a school want to brag about that? There were only 3 medically valid treatments before the late 19th century. (Cinchona bark --> malaria, also purgatives & emetics (of dubious usefulness) ) Every thing else was horrific. Setons (kept wounds open because they thought pus was good), Calomel (Do you know what mercury poisoning does to you?), Arsenic (Yeah, that will cure you!) and Plasters and all sorts of other fun things! Furthermore, the mortality rate from surgery was something like 50%, and the best surgeons were the ones who could take a leg off in under three minutes! They didn't have any anesthetic until 1840s, and they didn't figure out asepsis until 1880/1890s (The surgeons were completely against washing their hands at first, and the nurses washed all the wounds with the same bucket of bloody/cross-contaminated water and sponge!) The sulfa drugs didn't appear until 1935 (The mortality rate from surgery actually went up between anesthetic's discovery and when they could actually prevent infection!) and penicillin wasn't widely available until after WWII.

Anyway, study some medical history, it'll make you glad you're living in the present day!

Honestly, if I were a medical school I'd say "Don't worry, founded after 1935...."

Jade~

 

[INeedAdvice]

Originally posted by rjmst
which medical school is the oldest medical school in the country?

Harvard was the first *college* to have a medical school.

Penn was the first University.

 

[group_theory]

INeedAdvice

I don't follow the logic of post

Anyway, harvard medical school was founded September 19, 1782
http://www.hms.harvard.edu/about/history.html

The University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine was founded the fall of 1765 by John Morgan.
http://www.archives.upenn.edu/histy/schools/med.html
At the time, Penn was known as the College of Philadelphia until 1779 when it became a university.

Yale University School of Medicine was founded in 1810.
http://info.med.yale.edu/ysm/about/index.html

Columbia University began as King's College, which was founded in 1754 by royal grant of George II of England. King's College organized a medical faculty in 1767, and was the first institution in the North American Colonies to confer the degree of Doctor of Medicine. The first graduates in medicine from the College were Robert Tucker and Samuel Kissarn, who received the degree of Bachelor of Medicine in May 1769, and that of Doctor of Medicine in May 1770 and May 1771, respectively.
http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/dept/ps/descrip.html

Anyway, so Penn State 😉 is the oldest medical school in the United States. But if you jump over the pond, there are older medical schools

Group_theory
University of Pennsylvania
College of Arts and Science - Biochemistry/Chemistry
Class of 2003
PCOM Class of 2007

 

[INeedAdvice]

Originally posted by group_theory
I don't follow the logic of post

That's because I didn't make any sense!

I was trying to point out that Harvard is the oldest college that has a medical school I'm tired and I don't think I can follow my own logic.

Yes, Penn was the first University to have a medical school.

 

[Gleevec]

When was JHU founded. I guess it goes to show age doesnt necessarily result in greater quality.

 

[tonem]

Penn State or UPenn? I can't believe someone from Penn made that gaffe. 😉

 

[INeedAdvice]

Originally posted by tonem
Penn State or UPenn? I can't believe someone from Penn made that gaffe.

Didn't you see the little smiley face? 😉

 

[Gleevec]

LOL. Penn students are really touchy about their distinction as a private school that ISNT Penn State, so I guess I see a bit of the humor here =)

 

[group_theory]

OMG!!!! 😱

you mean I've spent the last four year at UPENN and not Penn State?




Wow - and all this time I was at Franklin Field wondering where Joe Paterno was.

Man, I demand my $135,000 in tution/fees/books/dorms back

can't believe I went to the wrong school.

Oh well, at least it *ain't* Princeton

Group_theory
University of Pennsylvania (or Pennsylvania State University)
College of Arts and Sciences - Biochemistry/Chemistry
Class of 2003
"2002 IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS - MEN'S FOOTBALL"

 

[14931]

Originally posted by group_theory
OMG!!!! 😱

you mean I've spent the last four year at UPENN and not Penn State?




Wow - and all this time I was at Franklin Field wondering where Joe Paterno was.

Man, I demand my $135,000 in tution/fees/books/dorms back

can't believe I went to the wrong school.

Oh well, at least it *ain't* Princeton

Group_theory
University of Pennsylvania (or Pennsylvania State University)
College of Arts and Sciences - Biochemistry/Chemistry
Class of 2003
"2002 IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS - MEN'S FOOTBALL"

well darn it, i must still be at the worng place 😛

 

[UCLA2000]

Originally posted by INeedAdvice
Harvard was the first *college* to have a medical school.

Penn was the first University.

Penn Med was THE FIRST medical school founded in the US. Anyone who claims anything else is either mistaken, or flat out lying.

Harvard can use any slick wording it wants to pat themselves on the back, but the bottom line is that Penn was still here first.

 

[Gleevec]

Originally posted by UCLA2000
Penn Med was THE FIRST medical school founded in the US. Anyone who claims anything else is either mistaken, or flat out lying.

Harvard can use any slick wording it wants to pat themselves on the back, but the bottom line is that Penn was still here first.

I dont see how Harvard is patting itself on the back. Harvard is now clearly superior to any med school not named Johns Hopkins.

I would actually be interested to know the YOUNGEST medical schools in the top 10 and 20. I think that is more impressive personally.

 

[UCLA2000]

Originally posted by Gleevec
LOL. Penn students are really touchy about their distinction as a private school that ISNT Penn State, so I guess I see a bit of the humor here =)

Gee wonder why!? One is an ivy league school ranked in the top 5 and has the honor of being the oldest medical school in the US. The other is not.

and while we're on this whole name thing....

Did you do research on the drug Gleevec or do you just like the name or something?

 

[Gleevec]

Originally posted by UCLA2000
Gee wonder why!? One is an ivy league school ranked in the top 5 and has the honor of being the oldest medical school in the US. The other is not.

and while we're on this whole name thing....

Did you do research on the drug Gleevec or do you just like the name or something?

I dont know if there is THAT much honor in being old, I think if you ask any Penn med student they will say the honor is in their current status as one of the better med schools in the US.

The research I currently do relates to the discovery of drugs such as gleevec.

 

[Docgeorge]

Was'nt JHU the first university in the us, back when Haaavaaaad and penn were still called colleges?

 

[14931]

great, now every school will start claiming oldest college or university

 

[group_theory]

The Johns Hopkins University opened Feb. 22, 1876, with the inauguration of its first president, Daniel Coit Gilman.
http://webapps.jhu.edu/jhuniverse/i...ns/about_jhu/a_brief_history_of_jhu/index.cfm

The following schools are older than Penn (1749):
Harvard 1636
Yale 1701
William & Mary 1693
Princeton - 1746

Amidst the turmoil of the American Revolution a few years later, the state of Pennsylvania seized the College of Philadelphia in 1779 because the revolutionary Pennsylvania state government saw the College as a Tory bastion. The state transformed the College into the University of the State of Pennsylvania, thus creating both America's first state school and America's first university. This new university was born with a more egalitarian vision than ever imagined before in the colonies, with members of the Board of Trustees from every denomination and the only non-sectarian faculty in the new nation. The University of Pennsylvania earned its current name when the University was made private, once the revolutionary fervor had died down, in 1791.
http://www.archives.upenn.edu/histy/genlhistory/brief.html



OK, so the College of Philadelphia became the University of the State of Pennsylvania which became the University of Pennsylvania, which is completely different from Pennsylvania State University. Then there are also the state schools like Indiana University of Pennsylvania, California University of Pennsylvania, etc.

Yep - I don't see why people get confuse about this topic.

Group_theory
University of Pennsylvania
aka University of the State of Pennsylvania
aka College of Philadelphia
aka Publick Academy of Philadelphia (no spelling errors here)
Class of 2003

 

[tonem]

I googled "oldest medical school", the results were kind of funny.

Places actually put their "oldness" ranking on their webpages. We're the 5th oldest, we're the oldest west of the Mississippi but east of the Rockies, we're the 120th oldest....

 

[Docgeorge]

group_theory,

My head is both bloodied and bowed

 

[CatsAreKillers]

I thought there was currently a "College of Philadelphia" ? Or is that the "Philadelphia College" that exists today? 😕

America's first university

Group Theory - So Penn is the oldest University in the country? I didn't know that.

Originally posted by group_theory
The Johns Hopkins University opened Feb. 22, 1876, with the inauguration of its first president, Daniel Coit Gilman.
http://webapps.jhu.edu/jhuniverse/i...ns/about_jhu/a_brief_history_of_jhu/index.cfm

The following schools are older than Penn (1749):
Harvard 1636
Yale 1701
William & Mary 1693
Princeton - 1746

Amidst the turmoil of the American Revolution a few years later, the state of Pennsylvania seized the College of Philadelphia in 1779 because the revolutionary Pennsylvania state government saw the College as a Tory bastion. The state transformed the College into the University of the State of Pennsylvania, thus creating both America's first state school and America's first university. This new university was born with a more egalitarian vision than ever imagined before in the colonies, with members of the Board of Trustees from every denomination and the only non-sectarian faculty in the new nation. The University of Pennsylvania earned its current name when the University was made private, once the revolutionary fervor had died down, in 1791.
http://www.archives.upenn.edu/histy/genlhistory/brief.html



OK, so the College of Philadelphia became the University of the State of Pennsylvania which became the University of Pennsylvania, which is completely different from Pennsylvania State University. Then there are also the state schools like Indiana University of Pennsylvania, California University of Pennsylvania, etc.

Yep - I don't see why people get confuse about this topic.

Group_theory
University of Pennsylvania
aka University of the State of Pennsylvania
aka College of Philadelphia
aka Publick Academy of Philadelphia (no spelling errors here)
Class of 2003

 

[pnle119]

I read somewhere that Columbia was the first school to award the Doctor of Medicine degree, so technically it's the oldest med school.

 

[INeedAdvice]

Originally posted by pnle119
I read somewhere that Columbia was the first school to award the Doctor of Medicine degree, so technically it's the oldest med school.

Is this true? I updated The "Harvards" of the Academic World thread...so I hope it's true data! 😀



If U of Penn is the oldest university, does anyone know the second oldest? (to save me the time of searching on the 'net 😉 )

 

[group_theory]

OK

Columbia is the first school to award the doctor of medicine degree in the United States. How it is technically the oldest medical school in the country? I guess your definition of medical school is "a school that awards the Doctor of Medicine degree."

Well, someone tell the British, the Aussies, and the Canadians that their medical schools aren't real medical schools since their graduates are awarded the Bachelor of Medicine Bachelor of Surgery Degrees (MBBCh or MBBS). What about osteopathic medical schools in the US? They don't award the MD degree, so they are not medical schools?

The second oldest university in the US is the College of William and Mary. Although William and Mary retains its traditional title of "College," it is in reality a small university that offers advanced degrees in several fields.
http://business.wm.edu/overview/employment.asp (scroll down a bit)

The following schools have the name Philadelphia in it

Philadelphia University (formerly known as the Philadelphia College of Textile and Science)

University of Sciences Philadelphia (formerly known as the Philadelphia College of Pharmacy and Science)

Philadelphia Biblical University (formerly known as the Philadelphia Bible College)

Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine, which following pnle119's reasoning, isn't a medical school

Those are the ones off the top of my head.


Group_theory
PCOM Class of 2007
University of Pennsylvania Class fo 2003

P.S. I know the MD in the US and the MBBCh (MBBS) in the British Commonwealth are the same. I was using this example to show the flaw in logic in the argument that Columbia is the oldest medical school since they first gave out the MD while Penn gave out the bachelor of medicine degree.

 

[Adcadet]

somebody asked about the newest medical school to make it to the top 10 or 20. I'd guess that might be the University of Chicago. I remember back when I was looking for an undergrad school they were bragging about how they are relatively young yet still really good.

U of Chicago Pritzker is ranked #19 (US News-Research) and graduated it's first class in 1927. Their webpage doesn't specify is this was a Doctor of Medicine degree or not, but given the year I would assume it was the MD.

 

[Bonds756]

Penn was the first medical school, college or university. And Penn is also the oldest University in the US (but not the fist school) dating back to 1740.

I always wondered if Columbia founded their med school after Penn, how did they graduate a student a year before Penn did? Interesting curriculum they much have.

 

[INeedAdvice]

Originally posted by Bonds756
Penn was the first medical school, college or university. And Penn is also the oldest University in the US (but not the fist school) dating back to 1740.

I always wondered if Columbia founded their med school after Penn, how did they graduate a student a year before Penn did? Interesting curriculum they much have.

A year before? That is interesting....

Please - anyone - list something that Cornell was the first to do ! 😉

 

[group_theory]

Remember - in those days - you didn't need to go to a medical school to become a doctor. You could be an apprentice to one and then become a doctor. Or you should set up shop in the wild west, and claim to be a doctor. There was no AMA, LCME, ACGME, AOA, etc.

"Medical education in that era meant attending formal lectures for a semester or two, and being apprenticed to a practicing physician for several years. No academic preparation was required, no written exams were mandatory. Students did not pay tuition, but bought tickets to admit them to professor's lectures. Since no hospital existed for teaching, there was very little clinical training as part of the degree requirement."
http://www.hms.harvard.edu/about/history.html

Cornell University (Ithica, NY)
http://www.studentdoctor.net/forums/newreply.php?action=newreply&threadid=53854
Cornell awarded the nation's first university degree in veterinary medicine and first doctorates in electrical engineering and industrial engineering.
Cornell established the first four-year schools of hotel administration and industrial and labor relations.
Cornell endowed the nation's first university chairs in American literature, musicology, and American history.
Cornell University Press was the first university publishing enterprise in the United States
First university to teach modern Far Eastern languages
First university to bow their heads in shame in the presence of mighty Penn students


Cornell College (Mount Vernon, Iowa)
http://www.cornellcollege.edu/about_cornell/fast_facts/
First college west of the Mississippi to grant women the same rights and privileges as men
First college in Iowa to confer baccalaureate degrees to women (in 1858)
First school to be called Cornell (beating Cornell University by 11 years)
Cornell was one of the first colleges in the nation to offer its students a choice of degree programs
Its geology department was the first in Iowa.
First U.S. college to award a full professorship to a woman with a salary equal to her male colleagues
Bowman-Carter Hall remains the first women's residence hall west of the Mississippi.

Group_theory
Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine Class of 2007
University of Pennsylvania College of Arts and Sciences Class of 2003

 

[HanSolo]

Adcadet:

somebody asked about the newest medical school to make it to the top 10 or 20. I'd guess that might be the University of Chicago. I remember back when I was looking for an undergrad school they were bragging about how they are relatively young yet still really good.

I think the title of the youngest of the best belongs to UCSD SOM. It was established in 1968, and yet in a span of little more than 30yrs has become one of the elite schools in the nation .😎 I'd be very surprise if someone came up with a different school.

 

[group_theory]

Hmm, UCSD is a very good guess - but wrong.
Here is a list of the top 20 medical schools-Research, according to USNews, the founding date of their medical schools, and the website with the information.

Harvard - 1782
http://www.hms.harvard.edu/about/history.html

John Hopkins - 1893
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/medicalschooloverview.html

Washington University - 1891
http://medicine.wustl.edu/overview.html

University of PA - 1765
http://www.med.upenn.edu/history.html

Duke - 1930
http://dukemed.duke.edu/AboutDuke/index.cfm

UCSF - 1897
http://www.ucsf.edu/about_ucsf/facts/profile.html

Columbia - 1767
http://cpmcnet.columbia.edu/dept/ps/descrip.html

University of Michigan - 1850
http://www.med.umich.edu/medschool/about/history.html

Yale - 1810
http://www.yale.edu/about/history.html

UWashington - 1946
http://www.washington.edu/medical/som/welcome/

Cornell - 1898
http://www.med.cornell.edu/welcome/about.html

stanford - 1858 (as Cooper Medical College, joined stanford 1908)
http://elane.stanford.edu/wilson/
http://www.med.stanford.edu/school/history.html

Baylor - 1900
http://public.bcm.tmc.edu/pa/bcm_facts.htm

UCLA - 1951 (based on its School of Medicine seal)
http://www.medsch.ucla.edu/som/SOMlogoNew.jpg

Mayo - 1972
http://www.mayo.edu/mms/history.html

Vanderbilt - 1875
http://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/medschool/history.php

Pittsburgh - N/A for medical school (pittsburgh founded in 1787)
http://www.pitt.edu/about.html

UTexas - Southwestern - 1943
http://www3.utsouthwestern.edu/education/medical/index.htm

UChicago - 1927
http://pritzker.bsd.uchicago.edu/pritzkerStudents/

Emory - 1854
http://www.emory.edu/WHSC/MED/INFORMATION/history.html

UCSD - 1960s (exact date not found on website, someone posted earlier w/ 1968)
http://medschool.ucsd.edu/Catalog/04.html


Well, I guess Mayo is our youngest (and most spoiled) child here while Penn is the old geezer

 

[cg1]

Originally posted by group_theory Pittsburgh - N/A for medical school (pittsburgh founded in 1787)
http://www.pitt.edu/about.html

Why is Pitt's med school "not applicable" ?

And of the top schools in the country (not medical schools), I wonder which are the youngest ??

 

[cheech10]

Originally posted by group_theory
Well, someone tell the British, the Aussies, and the Canadians that their medical schools aren't real medical schools since their graduates are awarded the Bachelor of Medicine Bachelor of Surgery Degrees (MBBCh or MBBS).

Sorry to nitpick, but Canadians get MD's, not MBBCh's or MBBS's.

 

[tonem]

Pitt's Medical School was founded in1886 as Western Pennsylvania Medical College.

http://www.neurosurgery.pitt.edu/overview/history.html

 

[Caerulea]

Originally posted by tonem
Pitt's Medical School was founded in1886 as Western Pennsylvania Medical College.

http://www.neurosurgery.pitt.edu/overview/history.html

Tonem - I'm sending you a PM.

 

[arsh]

As far as new med schools being formed, I have always wondered if Princeton would one day form a med school. I always thought it would be tough since there aren't any huge hospital systems within Princeton itself (Princeton Med Center seemed pretty puny when I drove by a few weeks ago). Anyway, I wonder if they would ever consider trying to start something there.

 

[cg1]

I have always wondered if Princeton would one day form a med school.

I bet they will one of these days. Students would flock to get in.

Group_Theory - What? No research on the Top 25 undergraduate schools that are the youngest ??

I was looking forward to a reply! 😀

 

[doctor girl]

Originally posted by UCLA2000
Penn Med was THE FIRST medical school founded in the US. Anyone who claims anything else is either mistaken, or flat out lying.

Harvard can use any slick wording it wants to pat themselves on the back, but the bottom line is that Penn was still here first.

Why the anger UCLA? I think it was just pointed out that harvard is the oldest school to also have a medical school. That's all.

 

[Deuce 007 MD]

Originally posted by doctor girl
Why the anger UCLA? I think it was just pointed out that harvard is the oldest school to also have a medical school. That's all.

UCLA 2000 goes to U Penn's medical school, that's why. He's proud of the fact that he is at Ivy/top 5 med school that is the first medical school in the country. I would be too if I got into U Penn.

 

[ScreamingTreesRule]

Originally posted by Deuce 007 MD
that is the first medical school in the country.

Hmmm. Although now with this fact about Columbia being the first to give medical degrees, then perhaps UCLA2000 could be mistaken as to claiming with absolute certainty as to what school is the first "medical school".

It's relative. Some could claim that since Columbia had the first medical degree (and it doesn't have to be an MD) from any U.S. school, that they could be given the title even if they didn't officially call themselves a "school of medicine" ... and then some could claim that it's UPENN since they called themselves a "Medical School" first. It could still be in debate.

Either way, there's no reason for someone to act all 😱 .

Perhaps Columbia students are just more cool than UPENN students and that's what really counts. 😎

 

[CatsAreKillers]

"UCLA 2000 goes to U Penn's medical school, that's why."

Everyone has Harvard-envy, so being a Penn student wouldn't make me resent Harvard anymore.

But something that would really piss me off if I were a Penn student is that even people from PA don't know the difference between Penn State and University of Penn !!! It's true because I am from PA ! I swear that unless they're from a city in the vicinity of Penn, they don't know. When I was in high school (I'm not from Phila) and looking at colleges, I didn't know the difference.

Don't get me wrong, Penn State is a fantastic school, but it's tens of thousands of dollars less than Penn and if I were a Penn student, I'd want people to know the difference !

I remember watching tv not too long ago and someone called into a show and said that they were from the University of Pennsylvania, and 1 host thought it was Penn State and the other host had to correct them and tell them that it was an Ivy League school. The other guy *still* didn't know even after he was corrected !!

Everyone knows about Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Cornell, and Columbia being Ivy League, but poor Brown, Penn, and Dartmouth get the shaft!

"Perhaps Columbia students are just more cool than UPENN students and that's what really counts."

Smart and cool. I want to find me a med student from Columbia. 😉

 

[doctor girl]

Arsh,

I think that kind of makes princeton unique since they don't delve into medicine. Who knows; since they're not so diversified wrt having a medical school, maybe it helps them focus on the other sciences.



So penn state students pay $40,000 less and have no name recognition difference than the penn students?

Maybe penn state students are smarter!

 

[group_theory]

Sigh

What's so hard to understand?

Penn was first (1765). Columbia was second (1767). Both gave out Bachelor of Medicine degrees (medical degrees). Columbia decided to give out MD in 1770. Bachelor of Medicine and Doctor of Medicine degrees ARE THE EXACT SAME.

Saying that Columbia was the first medical school because it was the first to give out an MD is equivalent to saying that XYZ Law School was the first law school because it was first to give out a JD instead of a LLB.

I dunno why Columbia students keep on insisting that their medical school is first is beyond my comprehension (but I'm only pre-DO student, not pre-mD). Since they don't have the facts on their side (1765 is before 1767), they resort to word games and such. Perhaps it is to compensate for something else that is lacking in their lives 🙂

CatsAreKillers

I live in Philly. Went to HS in Philly and now attend Penn. When my neighbors asked what school I attend, I would respond "Penn". They would respond "Oh - Penn State is a terrific school"
When I correct them by saying, "No, not Penn State, the University of Pennsylvania" - they would give me that "Oh!" and a disappointed look. Then after a brief pause, go "Well, I guess UPENN is a good school also"
It is frustrating that people don't know how good your undergrad is, but I'm not here to impress my neighbors, nor my parents, or anything. I'm not here so that people in the future will look at my diploma and say "I am not worthy, oh great one."
I'm here so that when I meet a Columbia alumnus, I can ask "Oh - Columbia University in NYC or Columbia College in IL?" 🙂

cg1

I do have finals you know. Let's make a deal - you teach me field ligand theory and D-transition metal chemistry - and I'll look up the top-20 undergrad and when they are founded

Group_theory

 

[Bonds756]

Originally posted by ScreamingTreesRule


It's relative. Some could claim that since Columbia had the first medical degree (and it doesn't have to be an MD) from any U.S. school, that they could be given the title even if they didn't officially call themselves a "school of medicine" ... and then some could claim that it's UPENN since they called themselves a "Medical School" first. It could still be in debate.

The nation's best surgeon's were teaching Penn's med school students years before Columbia came up with the idea to start a med school and let everyone in the NY area in who could afford it. They didn't have a set curriculum and decided the students should be awarded degrees after just months of education, before Penn awarded any such degree. Yeah, your right. Columbia was first.

 

[lalalala]

Originally posted by CatsAreKillers


I remember watching tv not too long ago and someone called into a show and said that they were from the University of Pennsylvania, and 1 host thought it was Penn State and the other host had to correct them and tell them that it was an Ivy League school. The other guy *still* didn't know even after he was corrected !!

Everyone knows about Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Cornell, and Columbia being Ivy League, but poor Brown, Penn, and Dartmouth get the shaft!

I seem to recall reading a few editorials/pieces--most in jest, but few in all seriousness--that wanted Penn to be renamed "Franklin University." This would not only distinguish it from Penn State, but also would somehow *sound* more distinguished and Ivy-League-esque. (also must mention that there is already a Franklin University in Ohio 😉 )

 

[Bonds756]

Originally posted by arsh
As far as new med schools being formed, I have always wondered if Princeton would one day form a med school. I always thought it would be tough since there aren't any huge hospital systems within Princeton itself (Princeton Med Center seemed pretty puny when I drove by a few weeks ago). Anyway, I wonder if they would ever consider trying to start something there.

Now that the Cleveland Clinic is starting a med school, I wouldn't be surprised. But it would take a long time, and a lot of money that Princeton might not want to part with. As long as they are #1 in the undergrad rankings and have one of the highest endowments, I think they will hold off until changes happen in the health system so that hosiptals can once again be profitable.

 

[Bonds756]

Originally posted by lalalala
I seem to recall reading a few editorials/pieces--most in jest, but few in all seriousness--that wanted Penn to be renamed "Franklin University." This would not only distinguish it from Penn State, but also would somehow *sound* more distinguished and Ivy-League-esque. (also must mention that there is already a Franklin University in Ohio 😉 )

In the movie Unbreakable, Penn was called Franklin University (yet the football stadium that Bruce Willis worked at was called Franklin Field as it is in actuality). They definitely have an obsession was Ben Franklin at Penn- statues of him everywhere. Parents even come and take their pictures next to these staues for some reason, but it is a safe bet that Penn will always be called Penn.

 

[LUBDUBB]

Group, penn was founded in 1740 - not 1749

sorry had to correct you.