What's Wrong With RVU?

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Long Way to Go said:
What's wrong with Rush and Tufts? Dr. Benjamin Rush and Charles Tufts were probably both fine people.
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Oh what, and Dr. Rocky McVista wasn't a great guy??? :meanie:

DocEspana said:
"Pepsi Presents: New Princeton!"
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Amazing. Why didn't I think of sponsorship before??? Pepsi Presents: New Princeton; with a special anatomy lab courtesy of Fox 11, proud home of House, M.D. Also, don't forget to check out our rotation schedule, brought to you by Taco Bell - think outside the box ...
 
Schools with higher OOS tuition than RVU...

-AZCOM
-CCOM
-KCUMB (barely)
-MSUCOM (holy sh*@ $68,904/yr OOS tuition)
-NYCOM
-PNWU
-UMDNJ
-UNECOM
-WVSOM
-WCOMP

Interesting. 10 out of the 29 schools have a higher OOS tuition than RVU. I thought the number was much smaller.
 
Fox800 said:
Schools with higher OOS tuition than RVU...

-AZCOM
-CCOM
-KCUMB (barely)
-MSUCOM (holy sh*@ $68,904/yr OOS tuition)
-NYCOM
-PNWU
-UMDNJ
-UNECOM
-WVSOM
-WCOMP

Interesting. 10 out of the 29 schools have a higher OOS tuition than RVU. I thought the number was much smaller.
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Some of these schools don't even have in state tuition.
 
Fox800 said:
Schools with higher OOS tuition than RVU...

-AZCOM
-CCOM
-KCUMB (barely)
-MSUCOM (holy sh*@ $68,904/yr OOS tuition)
-NYCOM
-PNWU
-UMDNJ
-UNECOM
-WVSOM
-WCOMP

Interesting. 10 out of the 29 schools have a higher OOS tuition than RVU. I thought the number was much smaller.
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How do you get out from under that???????????????
 
JaggerPlate said:
How do you get out from under that???????????????
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If what Fox posted is really the tuition, my pet peeve with MSU is that they add the irrelevant 4 dollars. Why couldn't it just be 68,900 or even just 69,000 dollars. Why does it need to be 68,904.
 
LastPolarBear said:
If what Fox posted is really the tuition, my pet peeve with MSU is that they add the irrelevant 4 dollars. Why couldn't it just be 68,900 or even just 69,000 dollars. Why does it need to be 68,904.
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I hear you on that. I think it's a percentage thing though. Each year they probably increase tuition by "X" percent, so you end up getting some odd numbers. They most likely round up to the nearest whole dollar.
 
MSUCOM does offer some OOS students scholarships so that their tuition is equivalent to those that are in-state. I'm assuming the OOS people that attend MSUCOM are recipients of said scholarship; if not, they're crazy.
 
what a great attitude to start a question with "what's wrong with..?" 🙂 I'm OMS III at RVUCOM and would love to answer any questions you guys have about the school. I had my own doubts about this being a new school before starting, but looking back I made the right decision and have absolutely no regrets. The best way to compare schools is looking at the board scores (for profit or not, we have to take the same boards as everyone else! 😉 ) I chose RVU over an MD school and all I know is that my USMLE score is more competitive than my friends' from MD schools 🙂 I guess RVU does something right in making students happy and successful, no matter what is being written on SDN.😎
 
LoVEiT said:
what a great attitude to start a question with "what's wrong with..?" 🙂 I'm OMS III at RVUCOM and would love to answer any questions you guys have about the school. I had my own doubts about this being a new school before starting, but looking back I made the right decision and have absolutely no regrets. The best way to compare schools is looking at the board scores (for profit or not, we have to take the same boards as everyone else! 😉 ) I chose RVU over an MD school and all I know is that my USMLE score is more competitive than my friends' from MD schools 🙂 I guess RVU does something right in making students happy and successful, no matter what is being written on SDN.😎
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airtight logic right there
 
where are your rotations? how are clinicals going for you?

(sorry, that was to LoVEiT)
 
LoVEiT said:
The best way to compare schools is looking at the board scores
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LOLOL. No it's not. Students take the boards ... not schools.

The best way to compare DO programs is by looking at the 3rd/4th year clinical rotations.
 
JaggerPlate said:
LOLOL. No it's not. Students take the boards ... not schools.

The best way to compare DO programs is by looking at the 3rd/4th year clinical rotations.
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hmmm, so two years of education that school provided doesn't have anything to do with Students and their board scores? Then why is it schools brag about their board pass rates.

The two things schools usually brag about are the board scores and residency match list.

Anyway, we are getting rotation sites that are available in the CO region including St. Joseph, Jewish, Rose, etc in Denver, and other neighboring hospitals.., and we are getting good training so far by very enthusiastic facilities in the area. Please stop hating on us. We are doing great, and a lot of credit goes to our school & the faculty.
 
JW08 said:
hmmm, so two years of education that school provided doesn't have anything to do with Students and their board scores? Then why is it schools brag about their board pass rates.
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1. Because they don't have anything else to "brag about"

2. Because it impresses young, naive interview candidates.

It's the same reason schools brag about patient simulators, lcd screens in anatomy labs, etc, etc, etc. It's absolutely nothing that adds or detracts from your education, but it's a good selling point and impresses people.

I'm not saying it isn't important or that RVU clearly isn't doing a good job, but, again, people take the exam ... not schools. Bottom line, when you can equalize the "board score pass rates" with some time, a book from Kaplan, and a Q-bank ... it shouldn't be a selling point for anything.

When you can utilize those type of factors to normalize 3rd/4th year rotations, then maybe we can bump board pass rates up on the scale of things people should consider/rate schools upon. Until then, it's just not a valid factor.

JW08 said:
The two things schools usually brag about are the board scores and residency match list.
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Ironically enough, if I could think of one thing that's probably more subjective and less individually important that overall board pass rates, it would be match lists.

Again pre-meds ... rank schools based upon tangible factors:

1. Cost
2. 3rd/4th year rotations
3. Location/Proximity to love ones ... etc

Factors like what fields were popular in the class that year and how hard individuals studied/how much time they set aside for independent board study simply aren't important.

JW08 said:
Anyway, we are getting rotation sites that are available in the CO region including St. Joseph, Jewish, Rose, etc in Denver, and other neighboring hospitals.., and we are getting good training so far by very enthusiastic facilities in the area. Please stop hating on us. We are doing great, and a lot of credit goes to our school & the faculty.
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I've actually never "hated" on RVU. I'm very sure that for-profit medical education is something that's going to keep propagating, and it's really doesn't make a difference to me.

Glad to hear rotations are going well. I hope these are in hospital based sites with possible residency affiliation, access to Level I trauma centers, etc.
 
I wonder what schools people go to that they have sooo much time to talk **** on SDN about the school that does not even interest them.
The hospitals for rotations are great.
There are only a few residency spots in CO unfortunately so students do travel to do rotations at the hospitals they are considering for residencies.
So far, I have not met a single doctor who said anything against RVU and they only care about my performance - so far so good. I have been rotating with other students from CU SOM and had a chance to compare the two programs... they concluded that RVUCOM has a more structured curriculum and especially our pharm education is superior.
What is the first thing that most residency programs look at? Board scores. While everyone has to study on their own, the two years spent in the classroom DOES have something to do with good scores.
Peace 😎
 
LoVEiT said:
I wonder what schools people go to that they have sooo much time to talk **** on SDN about the school that does not even interest them.
The hospitals for rotations are great.
There are only a few residency spots in CO unfortunately so students do travel to do rotations at the hospitals they are considering for residencies.
So far, I have not met a single doctor who said anything against RVU and they only care about my performance - so far so good. I have been rotating with other students from CU SOM and had a chance to compare the two programs... they concluded that RVUCOM has a more structured curriculum and especially our pharm education is superior.
What is the first thing that most residency programs look at? Board scores. While everyone has to study on their own, the two years spent in the classroom DOES have something to do with good scores.
Peace 😎
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It all sounds great. Best of luck!
 
DocEspana said:
I heard its haunted and every night one medical student is ritualistically sacrificed to keep the ghost at bay. I also heard the water fountains spit coke zero or ciroc vodka. Then again, I hear a lot of crazy things that probably aren't true.

My statements above are as absurd as anyone who purely bashes it or purely defends it. The school has issues beyond the for-profit status, but we cant condemn a school that does seem to have happy students despite the controversy. I'd just suggest being aware of what the issues are and give it a lot of though before you consider going if accepted. And if you do go, it won't be the end of the world. You'll prob enjoy it, given the generally positive student responses.
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Thanks for the laugh. 🙂
 
FWIW, all schools (nonprofit or otherwise) are out to get your money. It's a business, even if they don't pay taxes on their income. Some schools may return a greater percentage of that money to you in the form of board review, tutors, etc., but don't believe for a second that they have anything but their balance sheet in mind when you matriculate.
 
munchymanRX said:
FWIW, all schools (nonprofit or otherwise) are out to get your money. It's a business, even if they don't pay taxes on their income. Some schools may return a greater percentage of that money to you in the form of board review, tutors, etc., but don't believe for a second that they have anything but their balance sheet in mind when you matriculate.
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Large academic programs with large medical schools that house multiple colleges and preform large amounts of research are neither great business models, nor outwardly seeking to make money from their students. I mean this doesn't barr the board members from having salaries exceeding a doctors salary, but that doesn't speak for the business paradigm.
 
So it seems that RVU has gained full AOA accreditation as of April 2012:
http://www.rvu.edu/PDFs/PR_Accreditation_05-2012.pdf

But their financial aid site doesn't show any federal loan options, and states that private loans are the primary source of funding:
http://www.rockyvistauniversity.org/loans.asp

Does anybody have better info on the school's status vis-a-vis federal loans?


On a lighter note, while I understand the reasoning behind it, I have to say that "Rocky Vista" seems to be a bit of a warning in itself. Metaphorically speaking, of course. 🙂
 
I'll admit that I didn't apply there because I couldn't look past the for-profit status. Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? I doubt it, but who knows. Judging by peoples' experiences with them in this and past application cycles, there's a very good chance they would've rejected me anyway.

What really matters is your comfort level with a school on all fronts... location, learning style, prestige, costs.
 
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