When do I take the MCAT and apply?

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Right now I'm planning to take the MCAT in June (the 16th I think) and apply around the same time, probably before the results are in. I want to apply as soon as possible, but I really think having the month after I get out of school in May to study will be crucial. Anybody think taking it earlier will be better? I have just really started studying now (late, I know) but I have all of the courses completed except physics 2, which I'm taking this Spring.
 
That's my plan also, I think your timing is fine. Some folks take the test in March or April so if they get a bad score they can re-take it.

Also, I don't think you're late in starting to study for the test. It's essentially 5 months to test day - start any earlier and you might get burnt out. Just stick to some kind of study schedule.
 
Yes it is good to apply early. But if you apply early with a low MCAT score you're screwed. I don't think a month out of school is enough time to adequately prepare for the MCAT unless you're willing and able to put 8 hours a day into it. While getting your A grades and doing everything else you need to be doing, are you able now to spend 3+ hours a day studying for the MCAT and doing a practice exam every other weekend?

I think you should focus on school and ECs now. Plan for a prep course and once school ends put about 3 months into MCAT preparation. That would put you taking the exam in August with results back in September. That is not that late, and if you get your secondaries back immediately (September/October), you will be in the average time applicant pile.

I recommend you do this to have adequate preparation time and maximize your score, grades, ECs, and research experience, which are really much, much more important than applying early. A summer half time research/half time MCAT prep schedule is a common and good way to pull this off.
 
If you are averaging a score on the AMCAS Practice MCAT with which you are happy, it doesn't matter when you take the actual exam. But if you want to improve your score, take the time for a month or two full time studying. But I agree that you would be better served doing research over the summer at the same time, so you might need to cut MCAT prep time down. I studied for the MCAT for a couple of hours a week from October to March, and then full time for 2 weeks before the exam and I did fine. Also, having physics fresh in your memory will probably be nice. I found the exam to be much less about content and memorization, and a lot of fairly straight forward probem solving.

It's more impressive to apply with an above average (>36) score than a below average score early. If your stats aren't good, then your chances are not good no matter when you apply. Applying early only serves to set you apart from other people with good scores, and it won't make up for a bad MCAT.

There is no need to take a risk. If you're finishing your secondairies in September and October, you won't be at a disadvantage. Remember, some committies dont even meet until around that time. Also, a large chunk of candidates don't even send in their materials until the week before the deadline, so you'll still be way ahead of the game. Don't forget, it takes quite a long time for AMCAS to verify your application once you've sent it in, so be aware that you will have to wait for that as well. That was not something I expected when I applied.

Good luck!
 
Yes it is good to apply early. But if you apply early with a low MCAT score you're screwed.

I heard once that I shouldn't even consider retaking the test and just treat it like I only have one chance. That's kind of what I'm doing now.

I don't think a month out of school is enough time to adequately prepare for the MCAT unless you're willing and able to put 8 hours a day into it.

Oh I didn't mean that would be my only study time, of course! I will be studying quite a lot over the semester--I just meant that the extra month I would have without school would be extremely valuable and thus the June test is a much better option than the April one. I'm still very wary about taking the August test, but I may be able to be persuaded... Thanks for your input, I'll take it into consideration.
 
I'm still very wary about taking the August test, but I may be able to be persuaded... Thanks for your input, I'll take it into consideration.

Well I think you have the right advice and the right idea in this thread. You could hedge it too, taking it in July if you feel ready then... Good luck!
 
There is no need to take a risk. If you're finishing your secondairies in September and October, you won't be at a disadvantage. Remember, some committies dont even meet until around that time.

I got the impression that I should be applying at the beginning of the summer or earlier, but if I really could wait till September that would be great for me in pretty much all areas of my application. Do you know a lot of people who have applied around this time and had success?

Don't forget, it takes quite a long time for AMCAS to verify your application once you've sent it in, so be aware that you will have to wait for that as well. That was not something I expected when I applied.

So what do you suggest, taking the test in early August and sending in the application right around that time or earlier?

Thanks so much for your help, this stuff has been really hard to figure out on my own!
 
Well, a lot of people here complete their secondaries in August and early September and have a lot of success. I got plenty of interviews (11) by completing mostly in the last week of August and first week of September. And I mean COMPLETING (fill out the secondary form, send them a photo of yourself, send them your letters of recommendation, send in anything else they want ($$$), and then wait a couple of weeks until they sort through the massive amount of crud they are getting from hundreds of anxious overachievers and perfectionists who call 3 times a day to see if they are complete yet). This means having your recommenders write their letters in the early summer (some of them will go out of town and need more time/prodding).

My suggestions after having gone through the process myself just recently:

As soon as you can (early June), open up an AMCAS account and send in your transcripts from all schools you've attended and request letters of recommendation from all parties involved (you'll have to send your LOR to AMCAS, and it takes them a long time to process them, even if they are sent electronically. you might even want to ask them at the end of the semester, before they leave for vacation.) If you feel like you've had enough time to study, I would suggest taking the exam in mid-June like you planned (earlier would be better, but not needed), and that way you will have your score in mid-July (current turn around time is 30 days). While you are waiting for your score, fill out your AMCAS application and decide which schools to apply to. Once you have your MCAT score in July, you can submit your AMCAS application, and then it should take them about 3 weeks to verify it (the longer you wait to submit, the longer the line and the longer it will take to verify, so don't delay). While you wait, make sure you have all LOR, and send them in as soon as you get them (I would suggest using something like Interfolio to manage your LOR, I found it very helpful and easy to use). While you are waiting to be verified, you can start writing any essays you will need for secondaries. That way you will start getting your secondaries to fill out in August, and can have them done by the end of the month. This will put you ahead of the game, since schools will sort through your stuff by mid September or so, without being SUPER early. Although being super early isn't a bad thing, I'm not very convinced that it has any benefits. By being complete in September, you'll be far ahead of most others, and you'll be among the first to be reviewed.

But be warned: the month that you are waiting for your MCAT score seems like a long time to fill out the AMCAS, but it's quite a pain in the butt. Don't wait until the last couple of days thinking it's like any other form. You have to put in EVERY CLASS YOU'VE EVER TAKEN by hand (which was a pain for someone like me with over 200 credits to my name before senior year). You also have to put in all activities and experiences and family info and life info and AHHH!!! (I would actually print out a copy of the AMCAS and keep it handy when filling out secondaries. I don't know WHY but many secondaries basically just ask you to put in the exact same info over again. I found JHU to be the most annoying culprit in this way, but they are JHU, so they can do whatever the crap they want.) Also, put a lot of time and effort into your 2 big essays. It will really help you a lot at some schools to have a stand-out essay. Write about what makes you unique. The key is to make them want to meet you. If you are just like everyone else, they will not want to meet you (aka no interview), but if you are different, that is interesting (but don't be "interesting" by being weird or creepy.) I wrote about an extra-curricular activity that I do, that no one else has every written about, ever in the history of MD/PhD programs (as I have been assured by many a program director), and it's nothing very special if you ask me. Find what makes you unique and describe it as it pertains to how it will make you a better physician and scientist. Don't just rehash the rest of your application.

Good luck! :luck:

(hmm.... this seems like a useful guide to put up somewhere, since I didn't know any of this stuff coming into it. I just got lucky with my timing, or I would never have known to sumbit early. maybe I should clean this up and put it somewhere where others can see it)
 
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this seems like a useful guide to put up somewhere

Agreed. This was EXTREMELY helpful! Thank you!

One quick question, though: If I end up taking the MCAT in July or August, will what you wrote change much? I'm guessing I can still fill out the AMCAS form at the beginning of summer and just plan to have everything ready except the MCAT score.
 
Keep in mind the 30 day turn around for the MCAT score to be released. Don't wait too long, because some schools won't send you a secondary application until they have all of the primary information.
 
Keep in mind the 30 day turn around for the MCAT score to be released. Don't wait too long, because some schools won't send you a secondary application until they have all of the primary information.

Sorry for waiting so long to reply to this. So I'm a little confused about the whole secondary application thing and I was hoping you could explain it. So I send in my AMCAS application and they verify everything then what? How much info do I have to have on it the first time (i.e. is it okay if I don't have my MCAT scores back yet, are my essays on it, etc.)?
 
Sorry for waiting so long to reply to this. So I'm a little confused about the whole secondary application thing and I was hoping you could explain it. So I send in my AMCAS application and they verify everything then what? How much info do I have to have on it the first time (i.e. is it okay if I don't have my MCAT scores back yet, are my essays on it, etc.)?

You have to have everything but your MCAT score when you submit the primary application, including your school transcripts being in. Once you've submitted the AMCAS primary application, the schools that you indicated you're going to be applying to will send you secondairy applications, which are sent to you by individual schools. They ask for extra information, like most small essays, that you need to fill out for them to evaluate you. Along with the secondary application, you'll have to send schools a secondairy application fee (~$80) and your letters of recommendation, unless the school participates in the AMCAS LOR program. Only once you've sent a school everything and their committee has met to talk about you can you get a invitation to come and interview.
 
Note that some schools will send you a secondary application before your AMCAS primary application is verified, but many (most I would say) wait until you are verified to send you a secondary, which is what I meant by try to get it in early. The longer you wait to submit for verification, the longer it takes. If you submit it in June or July, you'll be verified within a week or so, but if you wait until August like I did, it'll be 3-4 weeks. Later, it will get up even higher (up to 6 weeks waiting time), which is a huge pain in the butt. And of course you can't interview until they have all your material and look through it, so don't wait! But at the same time, many schools don't even start looking through stuff until fall, so getting in early means you'll have to wait a long time to hear anything back.
 
So how does this sound:
- Take the MCAT July 30/31st (other options are July 2, 17, or August 5, 6, 14, 21), and get my results back September 1st (that's the expected date from the AAMC website)
- send in my primary application mid-July
- get secondary applications throughout August and work on them so that as soon as I get my MCAT results on Sept 1 I have everything ready to send in.

I would prefer to take the test later if you think that will work but so far this sounds pretty manageable to me. Thank you so much for your help, I can't seem to find this information anywhere else on the internet!
 
My MCAT was from an August date, and I believe it hurt me this cycle. It would be in your benefit to have a fully complete application as early as possible, ie: take the July 2 or at the latest July 17th MCAT and turn in your application asap after your take the exam. Aim for having you app verified as your MCAT score returns. You will have at least a month's advantage on secondary applications as opposed to taking the later MCATs. There is no way to determine exactly how much it could hurt you, but based on other profiles I believe that submitting my app late (August MCAT) led to not getting top-tier interviews that I may have received if I had submitted or been complete by June/July.
 
I agree. You should try to get everything done in August. Early September is fine, but I would aim for earlier if possible. Take the July 2 MCAT (or an earlier one if you can), and try to do a good job, because you won't really have time for a retake.
 
Aim for having you app verified as your MCAT score returns

If I still have to wait for secondaries to come in the mail and fill them out, couldn't I plan it so that my MCAT score returned a week or two after my app was verified?

Also, will it hurt me to not have my score on the primary application?
 
If I still have to wait for secondaries to come in the mail and fill them out, couldn't I plan it so that my MCAT score returned a week or two after my app was verified?

Most/all secondaries are online. You will receive some secondaries before your app is verified, others the day that your app is received, and others later.
Note: This was my experience where I submitted with an MCAT score, but I also had a second MCAT listed to be taken after the app was verified.


Also, will it hurt me to not have my score on the primary application?

You will not have a complete application at schools until your score is available. It would be easier on those programs to have your application complete the first time through. If not, your application goes to stack #2, and you may end up being much more behind than you would be (they do not necessarily just pick up your app the second your score is available, upload it and complete your file -- you could be moved much further down the line of people who just submit complete apps). This would affect your differently at schools that do not (wont matter) and do (matters) screen for secondaries.

IMO, you should take the MCAT earlier. I am not sure if you can submit your app and receive your score while the verification process is occurring (this would be ideal). You can start secondaries by looking at prompts people post on SDN. You do not need to receive secondaries to work on them. It may be in your favor to wait until your MCAT score is received to submit your app if the turnaround time is very fast. Whatever you do, the difference should not be huge, and it is in your favor to take the MCAT earlier. Be wary of the aforementioned 'moving your app to the back of the line b/c no MCAT score has been received' with some schools, and this does happen.
 
Also, put a lot of time and effort into your 2 big essays. It will really help you a lot at some schools to have a stand-out essay. Write about what makes you unique.

I know this probably seems really dumb but could someone please say exactly what the essay topics in the primary app are. I thought they were why doctor, why md/phd, and research, but I am not completely sure. Thanks.
 
Yeah, they are:

"Use the space provided to explain why you want to go to medical school. The available space for your response is 5300 characters, or approximately one full page. You will receive an error message if you exceed the available space."

" In the field below, please state your reasons for wishing to pursue the combined MD/PhD degree. The available space is 3,000 characters."

" Please describe your significant research experiences. In your statement, please specify your research supervisor's name and affiliation, the duration of the experience, the nature of the problem studied, and your contributions to the project. The available space is 10,000 characters."

The third one is very important, but will probably take less time if you are sufficiently familiar with your research. At least, that was my experience. Just take your time and revise your first two essays a hundred times if needed until they are perfect!
It never hurts to get started on them now, so that you can have an english professor or someone at your school's writing center (if you have one) look them over.

:luck:
 
Yes it is good to apply early. But if you apply early with a low MCAT score you're screwed. I don't think a month out of school is enough time to adequately prepare for the MCAT unless you're willing and able to put 8 hours a day into it. While getting your A grades and doing everything else you need to be doing, are you able now to spend 3+ hours a day studying for the MCAT and doing a practice exam every other weekend?

I think you should focus on school and ECs now. Plan for a prep course and once school ends put about 3 months into MCAT preparation. That would put you taking the exam in August with results back in September. That is not that late, and if you get your secondaries back immediately (September/October), you will be in the average time applicant pile.

I recommend you do this to have adequate preparation time and maximize your score, grades, ECs, and research experience, which are really much, much more important than applying early. A summer half time research/half time MCAT prep schedule is a common and good way to pull this off.


Sorry for the late reply, I was just going through some old posts. I've taken the MCAT now (whew!), and I expect to get my results around August 18th so I'm shooting for getting my primary application in around that time. Posters on the MD-only boards seemed to think this is pretty late, but you said that I would be average for the MD/PhD even if I waited a bit longer. I know it doesn't matter much (I'm going to turn it in asap anyway) but just for peace of mind could you let me know how sure you are that August-September isn't late? Could you link me to any reliable sources, perhaps with data on the average timing? Thanks for your help!
 
but just for peace of mind could you let me know how sure you are that August-September isn't late? Could you link me to any reliable sources, perhaps with data on the average timing? Thanks for your help!

What I said is solely based on experience applying and the biases I have at my medical school (which is one of the later ones and is non-rolling). MD/PhD interviews and decisions tend to be later than MD interviews and decisions, with only a few exceptions. Generally, I'd say more than 30 days before a MD/PhD program's secondary deadline is not late. I also think the pre-allo part of SDN emphasizes an early application a bit too much. 5 points on an MCAT is worth far, far more than an early application. My advice is always: get the app in early if you can, but don't let it hurt your application to do so.

There is no objective data on this topic that I am aware of.
 
OP, you know what though, the later you submit your primary, the longer it takes to get verified by AMCAS. I think you should consider having your primary verified by the time you receive your score instead of turning it in then. In June, it take about 2 weeks to get verified; I submitted mine 7/22, and I'm still waiting. If you submit your primary in August, I'd say it's going to take AT LEAST 4 weeks to be verified. I agree that if you have a strong application, turning it in a little later probably won't matter much, but from what I read here, a lot of past applicants pointed out that applying late in the cycle did hurt them in the process.

Just my 2 cents =)
 
I think you should consider having your primary verified by the time you receive your score instead of turning it in then.

This is a good suggestion. Just list one school you're applying to and submit your primary for verification. Then add more schools after your MCAT score comes in.
 
sounds like good advice. I'm getting my results in 2 weeks and I'm not done with my essays yet so I won't be able to get it verified that fast, but good advice nonetheless. I'll keep it in mind if I end up deciding to take a year off and reapply next year. Thanks to both of you!
 
If you just want to get it verified, then you can submit to an MD-only school, so you dont have to include the two MD/PhD essays. I did this this year, and I think everything has worked out so far. Just resubmit to MD/PhD programs once you've finished all the essays.
 
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