When do PDs know?

[Solideliquid]

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When are the PDs going to know who matched into their program? Is it the same time we find out where we matched?

 

[pintsized]

When are the PDs going to know who matched into their program? Is it the same time we find out where we matched?

i believe its a few days before

 

[Stephanieukmed]

i believe its a few days before

One of my attendings said that they find out like 30minutes to an hour before we do, but they find out if their program filled on Monday (just like we do) so that they can apply to take people in the scramble if needed.

 

[Solideliquid]

One of my attendings said that they find out like 30minutes to an hour before we do, but they find out if their program filled on Monday (just like we do) so that they can apply to take people in the scramble if needed.

thanks!

 

[rugtrousers]

I also heard that the PDs find out who matched at their program a couple of days before we do, namely, Tuesday.

 

[TheThroat]

We find out on match day. The residents always want to know who matched at our program.

 

[southerndoc]

I was under the impression that the programs find out the day before.

 

[EM Junkie]

Programs know a day or two before - I doubt they pass this info. along to residents though.

 

[lilycat]

A PD at my home institution told me that they know before "match day" -- either 1-2 days before.

 

[scrappy]

A PD at my home institution told me that they know before "match day" -- either 1-2 days before.

from the http://www.nrmp.org/res_match/special_part/inst_officials/match_results.html :
Announcement of Match Results

The NRMP releases the results of the Main Residency Match in mid-March. The schedule is outlined below:

Institutions and Programs

At 11:30 a.m. eastern time on Tuesday of Match Week, program directors and institutional officials learn whether their programs filled. Reports for each program are posted to the Registration, Ranking, and Results (R3) System, which requires an AAMC ID number and password for access. The NRMP also sends program directors e-mail notifications with the numbers of positions offered and filled in the Match.

At noon eastern time on Tuesday of Match Week, institutional officials and the directors of unfilled programs can access the Dynamic List of Unfilled Programs that is posted to the R3 System. Program directors can delete their unfilled positions from the list when they reach agreements with unmatched applicants. The list is updated hourly by the NRMP. Program directors are strongly encouraged to update public phone numbers, fax numbers, and e-mail addresses on the Maintain Program Information screen of the R3 System prior to Match Week.

On Wednesday at 2:00 p.m. eastern time of Match Week, the NRMP posts each program's Confidential Roster of Program's Matched Applicants.

NOTE: This report is confidential and cannot be made public until 1:00 p.m. eastern time on Match Day, the Thursday of Match Week. Programs may not contact their matched applicants before that time. Applicants learn where they matched either at their school's Match Day ceremonies or on the NRMP web site after 1:00 p.m. eastern time Thursday.

On the Monday after Match Week, institutional officials and program directors can view their Match Results by Ranked Applicant in the R3 System. Applicants are listed in the order of the program's rank order list. Displayed next to each applicant's name is the applicant's match status: the program to which the applicant matched, "unmatched," "withdrew" or "no ROL." The report helps program directors evaluate their programs. The policy of confidentiality, however, restricts the NRMP from releasing specific information about the ranking of programs by individual applicants.

At the end of April, the institutional official receives copies of the NRMP Results and Data Book, which reports aggregate statistics from both the current and previous matches, as well as a full list of match results for all programs sorted by state and institution.

 

[Plastikos]

from the http://www.nrmp.org/res_match/special_part/inst_officials/match_results.html :
Announcement of Match Results

The NRMP releases the results of the Main Residency Match in mid-March. The schedule is outlined below:

Institutions and Programs

At 11:30 a.m. eastern time on Tuesday of Match Week, program directors and institutional officials learn whether their programs filled. Reports for each program are posted to the Registration, Ranking, and Results (R3) System, which requires an AAMC ID number and password for access. The NRMP also sends program directors e-mail notifications with the numbers of positions offered and filled in the Match.

At noon eastern time on Tuesday of Match Week, institutional officials and the directors of unfilled programs can access the Dynamic List of Unfilled Programs that is posted to the R3 System. Program directors can delete their unfilled positions from the list when they reach agreements with unmatched applicants. The list is updated hourly by the NRMP. Program directors are strongly encouraged to update public phone numbers, fax numbers, and e-mail addresses on the Maintain Program Information screen of the R3 System prior to Match Week.

On Wednesday at 2:00 p.m. eastern time of Match Week, the NRMP posts each program's Confidential Roster of Program's Matched Applicants.

NOTE: This report is confidential and cannot be made public until 1:00 p.m. eastern time on Match Day, the Thursday of Match Week. Programs may not contact their matched applicants before that time. Applicants learn where they matched either at their school's Match Day ceremonies or on the NRMP web site after 1:00 p.m. eastern time Thursday.

On the Monday after Match Week, institutional officials and program directors can view their Match Results by Ranked Applicant in the R3 System. Applicants are listed in the order of the program's rank order list. Displayed next to each applicant's name is the applicant's match status: the program to which the applicant matched, "unmatched," "withdrew" or "no ROL." The report helps program directors evaluate their programs. The policy of confidentiality, however, restricts the NRMP from releasing specific information about the ranking of programs by individual applicants.

At the end of April, the institutional official receives copies of the NRMP Results and Data Book, which reports aggregate statistics from both the current and previous matches, as well as a full list of match results for all programs sorted by state and institution.

Thats such BS. It only makes the whole system appear even more suspect that they give programs the list early, and where the other applicants matched. Not only do they take an ungodly amount of time to release the results, they then make us wait to find out where (i understand why, but thats also a ridiculous reason).

 

[Quink]

Thats such BS. It only makes the whole system appear even more suspect that they give programs the list early, and where the other applicants matched. Not only do they take an ungodly amount of time to release the results, they then make us wait to find out where (i understand why, but thats also a ridiculous reason).

Residency programs have a huge amount of paperwork to do when the match is complete, including sending out contracts. That one day's lead time is very helpful. As the Match rules state, programs ONLY find out about their own matches during match week. The week after, they find out where everyone on their own rank list matched. Why is any of this suspect? 😕

 

[geekgirl]

On the Monday after Match Week, institutional officials and program directors can view their Match Results by Ranked Applicant in the R3 System. Applicants are listed in the order of the program's rank order list. Displayed next to each applicant's name is the applicant's match status: the program to which the applicant matched, "unmatched," "withdrew" or "no ROL." The report helps program directors evaluate their programs.

wow! i never knew that they found out which programs they lost candidates to. now i see how the pissing contest between programs re: "getting our top _" started......whew. that's craziness.

 

[Plastikos]

Residency programs have a huge amount of paperwork to do when the match is complete, including sending out contracts. That one day's lead time is very helpful. As the Match rules state, programs ONLY find out about their own matches during match week. The week after, they find out where everyone on their own rank list matched. Why is any of this suspect? 😕

B/C they give programs preferential treatment, do we get to see how we were ranked by individual programs so that we might assess our competitiveness? The whole pissing contest idea has some merit here, and maybe if this werent released you would have programs ranking people solely on how they felt and not out of desire to match the top 3 and all that comes with it. I just wonder how old/slow this cpu is, i keep picturing Hal from 2001 or the whole floor ones in the early days.
Also, one whole day ahead probably doesnt matter at all in the grand scheme of things, no one starts until June/July anyway. Its likely only that way b/c of the scramble, which makes sense, but i just want to know ASAP, the wait is terrible.

 

[Poety]

wait, so they where we matched if they ranked us? whats up with that?

 

[AngryTesticle]

wait, so they where we matched if they ranked us? whats up with that?

Yes, if you are on the program's rank list, that program's PD will know where you ended up if you did not match with that program. I know this because a few PD's contacted me and wished me luck at my residency program.

 

[ChipLeader]

Yes, if you are on the program's rank list, that program's PD will know where you ended up if you did not match with that program. I know this because a few PD's contacted me and wished me luck at my residency program.

This is very interesting. Guess those fools that told multiple programs that they were gonna rank 'em #1 might have some explaining to do...

 

[inositide]

Those miscreants who told multiple programs that they will rank that program as #1 will certainly get burned when the programs get the list of matches.

 

[missdr]

don't understand why it is such surprise to everyone? obviously if you tell a program that you will rank them #1 and you don't end up there they know that you were lying...it's just that now you know that they will be able to see where you REALLY ranked number one 🙄

 

[Plastikos]

don't understand why it is such surprise to everyone? obviously if you tell a program that you will rank them #1 and you don't end up there they know that you were lying...it's just that now you know that they will be able to see where you REALLY ranked number one 🙄

Dont be crazy, they dont see your actual list. They have no idea where you actually ranked anyone and probably dont even remember in the ocean of #1 emails/letters they got.
Its impossible to know each of the apps choices b/c obviously they can only rank x number of people and just b/c you said you would rank them number one, doesnt mean you actually had a shot at matching there.

 

[lateness]

I was under the impression that the programs find out the day before.

thats what i heard too,

 

[yeah_brah]

Dont be crazy, they dont see your actual list. They have no idea where you actually ranked anyone and probably dont even remember in the ocean of #1 emails/letters they got.
Its impossible to know each of the apps choices b/c obviously they can only rank x number of people and just b/c you said you would rank them number one, doesnt mean you actually had a shot at matching there.

sorry bud, but they do get to see your rank list if they ranked you as all the previous posts mentioned. it comes straight from the NRMP website. i just don't understand why no one bothers to read the FAQ. almost all of your questions can be answered on the site itself instead of secondhand info from some anonymous poster on some med student forum.

good luck, brah.

 

[Plastikos]

sorry bud, but they do get to see your rank list if they ranked you as all the previous posts mentioned. it comes straight from the NRMP website. i just don't understand why no one bothers to read the FAQ. almost all of your questions can be answered on the site itself instead of secondhand info from some anonymous poster on some med student forum.

good luck, brah.

I did read it. It says they get to see your match status ie, matched/unmatched/no ROL and where. Then it specifically states the confidentiality agreement prohibits programs from seeing where an individual ranked them. Also in another portion it states that the only people to see your rank list are you and NRMP officials.

eom

 

[NoodleIncident]

I did read it. It says they get to see your match status ie, matched/unmatched/no ROL and where. Then it specifically states the confidentiality agreement prohibits programs from seeing where an individual ranked them. Also in another portion it states that the only people to see your rank list are you and NRMP officials.

eom

Agreed. Programs cannot see an individual applicant's rank list. It comes straight from the NRMP website. I just don't understand why no one bothers to read the FAQ. Almost all of your questions can be answered on the site itself instead of secondhand info from some anonymous poster on some med student forum.

 

[ohbee gin]

Agreed. Programs cannot see an individual applicant's rank list. It comes straight from the NRMP website. I just don't understand why no one bothers to read the FAQ. Almost all of your questions can be answered on the site itself instead of secondhand info from some anonymous poster on some med student forum.

🙄

 

[Quink]

sorry bud, but they do get to see your rank list if they ranked you as all the previous posts mentioned. it comes straight from the NRMP website. i just don't understand why no one bothers to read the FAQ. almost all of your questions can be answered on the site itself instead of secondhand info from some anonymous poster on some med student forum.

good luck, brah.

Programs NEVER see your match list. Never. Also, to address an issue brought up in an earlier post about it being unfair that the programs can see where you ultimately matched, but you never get to see where you ranked....it would not enhance your residency experience to know where you were placed on a match list, either the program in which you match, or any others. Or for other residents to know this information. Once you match, no one knows or cares where you were on the list in comparison to your classmates. Even field.
Also, programs must be competetive year after year. It is important information to know where unmatched applicants chose to rank higher.