When should I give up?

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I have so many questions...but someone on 6 wait lists has to get in somewhere. The bigger problem then becomes poor credit. If your credit is bad enough, you may not be eligible for more student loans, public or private.
 
Have you been looking for a job? I find that I never get jobs that are posted on craigslist because there are so many people applying. You should start writing down all the places you have applied and the names of people you have talked to there. Then start following up. Go back every week or so and keep calling back.

Even if you do get accepted it's always good to have cash on hand in case you have to move out of state. What type of area are you in now? Is there anything keeping you there at the moment? Maybe you could stay with friends or family in another location? Have you sold your valuable belongings? If there is good public transportation where you are maybe you could sell your car to get a cheap place to live. There are always people looking for roommates. I once lived in a 1 bedroom apartment with 5 people I met on craigslist. 3 slept in the small bedroom, 2 in the living room and 1 had a bed in the kitchen/ dining area. I've been in pretty bad situations before but I'm just lucky I live in a major city and there are always different ways to get money.

Have you applied for food stamps?

I don't think you should give up. You just need to step back and take care of a few things. I really hope at least one of those waitlists turns into an acceptance for you.
 
Apply for food stamps. Also, many universities have a food pantry where students in need can go and get food for free. Talk to student services at your institution because they may be able to help in other ways as well. As for medical school, do not give up. There is always a light at the end of the tunnel.
 
Apply to tutor.com and teach chemistry - they pay 10$/hr and I never heard anyone with a bachelors get rejected. They hired me when I had my high school diploma. Apply to wyzant tutoring... Charge whatever the hell you want - if .... You are a good tutor. On a good month, I make 2k extra to supplement my salary, 800$/month is typical (I only work about 10 hr/ week for tutoring)

If OP is not a student, tutor rich kids. My payment ranges between 35$/hr up to 120$/hr (really rich family).
 
You must have a really nice car. What car do you have?

hopefully a rolls royce phantom or a stretch limo. those things are roomy as hell. i wouldnt mind not having a house if i had a rolls royce phantom (until the novelty wore off 😛).

on-topic: OP, dont give up. you've got to keep pushing because you've already given up so much to achieve your goals. push yourself harder and mention some of your circumstances in your apps or some way.
 
To answer the title's question:

"Never give up. Never, never, never. In nothing - great or small, large or petty - never give in, except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force, never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."
 
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To answer the title's question:

"Never give up. Never, never, never. In nothing - great or small, large or petty - never give in, except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force, never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."

This exactly
 
The bigger problem then becomes poor credit. If your credit is bad enough, you may not be eligible for more student loans, public or private.

I don't think he's missing his minimum payments... Even if he is, it won't ding your credit enough to get denied of a PLUS loan. I think it needs to be something like bankruptcy to disqualify.
 
I don't think he's missing his minimum payments... Even if he is, it won't ding your credit enough to get denied of a PLUS loan. I think it needs to be something like bankruptcy to disqualify.

You may be right. If he's been homeless for the last year, there may be other issues that have been screwing up his credit though. It wouldn't hurt to run a check and maybe figure out what the lowest bar is to get a loan. If there's a problem, maybe it could be averted now and not come as a surprise during the first week of class.

On the other hand, running a credit check might not be the biggest concern for OP right now.
 
quit projectin brah. I've been FAPing my whole life

If you live in a car for a year you need to work harder than going on monster.com. Get off your ass and get a job. The homeless I volunteer with are even working jobs.

Please stop it's pathetic. OP I hope you were able to secure a job. Try local hospitals as a transporter or in dietary. I assume you're too broke to get the CNA certification. That could help.
 
Please stop it's pathetic.
"Hey you stop being a jerk to him"
OP I hope you were able to secure a job.
"OP I hope you can find a job"
Try local hospitals as a transporter or in dietary.
"Try finding a job"
I assume you're too broke to get the CNA certification. That could help.
"I assume you're too broke to find a job"
Big ****ing help you are
 
My parents make a combined 20k a year and I don't live out of my car. I work my ass off every day at my job though and I get by. I receive zero support from my family, it's possible to survive.

WTF? I make 17k a year at $9.50 per hour. Your parents might try full time employment.
 
WTF? I make 17k a year at $9.50 per hour. Your parents might try full time employment.

Damn. I think I typo'd that big time. It can't be that low. However, being a waitress certainly doesn't pay well at all. It's probably closer to 27k (which is likely what I meant from the beginning).
 
Damn. I think I typo'd that big time. It can't be that low. However, being a waitress certainly doesn't pay well at all. It's probably closer to 27k (which is likely what I meant from the beginning).

That sounds more believable. A couple who are 18 years old and working full time at McDonald's makes north of $30k/year.
 
That sounds more believable. A couple who are 18 years old and working full time at McDonald's makes north of $30k/year.

The pair of them are lucky to have jobs at all, tbh. A felony, 4 DUIs between the two of them, theft related charges, etc...
 
The pair of them are lucky to have jobs at all, tbh. A felony, 4 DUIs between the two of them, theft related charges, etc...

Yikes! From such a household, you're very lucky/gifted/whatever to be such a high-powered individual! Congrats! 🙂
 
My parents worked in (illegal?) sweatshops in Chinatown for about $20k a year. It's not unreasonable depending on what the job is lol
 
Scribe jobs are a dime a dozen and they take you instantly. Just apply to a couple.
I applied to scribe jobs through three or four different companies and never heard back on a single one of them. To be fair, the jobs were all two hours away since there are no scribe positions in the tiny hospital here. I'm that desperate for work that I'd be willing to travel two hours there and back for a $9/hour scribe position.

Damn, I must really suck if people get those jobs instantly.
 
I applied to scribe jobs through three or four different companies and never heard back on a single one of them. To be fair, the jobs were all two hours away since there are no scribe positions in the tiny hospital here. I'm that desperate for work that I'd be willing to travel two hours there and back for a $9/hour scribe position.

Damn, I must really suck if people get those jobs instantly.

I went 50-50 on my scribe job applications. They're easy to get if you live in the right location. They're definitely not if you don't.
 
I applied to scribe jobs through three or four different companies and never heard back on a single one of them. To be fair, the jobs were all two hours away since there are no scribe positions in the tiny hospital here. I'm that desperate for work that I'd be willing to travel two hours there and back for a $9/hour scribe position.

Damn, I must really suck if people get those jobs instantly.

Sorry I'll rephrase by saying it probably depends on your area. In metropolitan areas, it's much easier.
 
When should give up on those waitlists?

I would say only give up on waitlists when orientation happens.

I am so sorry that you are having these issues. I'm also unemployed and have been homeless several times. I know what that is like and I cannot afford to apply again either (this is my third round).

If you ever need to talk to someone who has been in your position, please PM me.
 
Have you consider taking a gap year and apply to some job?
 
Big ******* help you are

Uh no. You really did say "quit projectin brah" who even says that? Unnecessary and lame. OP I listed transporter or dietary because they don't need certification and you can get patient contact without a license. OP look on craigslist around you area too. They usually have a variety of jobs which need help asap eg tutor, waiter/ waitress, sales associate, busboy, barback, research or lab assistant. Hope it gets better!
 
Uh no. You really did say "quit projectin brah" who even says that? Unnecessary and lame. OP I listed transporter or dietary because they don't need certification and you can get patient contact without a license. OP look on craigslist around you area too. They usually have a variety of jobs which need help asap eg tutor, waiter/ waitress, sales associate, busboy, barback, research or lab assistant. Hope it gets better!

I was going over the top to be funny. I don't really call public welfare programs "FAPing" either.

You seem like a nice guy but do you really think he doesn't have a job because he hasn't tried craigslist yet? If someone has been homeless for a year and hasn't even gotten a job as a busboy, it's because he doesn't want to work those jobs. He obviously has a good resume if he received 6 interviews. I know homeless people with no education and a criminal record who are working fry cook jobs. He's either not trying at all or he doesn't want the menial work.

If he lives in an area with no jobs, then that's just unfortunate. He should try driving somewhere else since his house happens to be very mobile right now.
 
I was going over the top to be funny. I don't really call public welfare programs "FAPing" either.

You seem like a nice guy but do you really think he doesn't have a job because he hasn't tried craigslist yet? If someone has been homeless for a year and hasn't even gotten a job as a busboy, it's because he doesn't want to work those jobs. He obviously has a good resume if he received 6 interviews. I know homeless people with no education and a criminal record who are working fry cook jobs. He's either not trying at all or he doesn't want the menial work.

If he lives in an area with no jobs, then that's just unfortunate. He should try driving somewhere else since his house happens to be very mobile right now.

Assuming does no good. You nor I know if he has checked craigslist. Above all, working as a bus boy over vs living in a car homeless is a no brainer. Pride aside and get it done. "Doesn't wanna work those jobs" just doesn't apply when you're in this situation. Also to note, it's increasingly difficult to find a job these days (yes even busboy jobs). Hope you can figure if out OP.
 
If you keep at it, and save up then you can apply next cycle and have something amazing in terms of overcoming adversity.
Yeah I don't know if I'd go for this if I were an adcom. Why didn't OP have the foresight, initiative, or responsibility to do what had to be done to pay the bills? If I hadn't searched for a job after college and started applying to medical schools with credit card debt, I would be living out of my car as well. If I take all my money, throw it in the trash, and start living on the street, will adcoms like me more? How is it adversity if this could have been avoided with a tiny bit of responsibility? Not all adversity is brought upon us by other people, and in those cases people shouldn't be lauded for overcoming it. The reward should be learning not to do that s**t again. I would pick the cookie cutter applicant with a job busing tables over this guy/girl every time.

OP don't give up, but could you maybe provide an explanation for how this happened? If your parents made 200K+ before, how are you in this situation? Were there extenuating circumstances, or did you just fail to get a job and stop trying because you assumed you'd be in medical school soon enough and could deal with it temporarily? As of right now it looks like the most advanced form of laziness I've seen. I want to believe there's something more to this.
 
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I came across a job ad for a janitor position that required three years of experience a few weeks ago. Three years of experience to be a janitor. It was one of those online applications that straight up asks you to check yes or no depending on whether you have the required years of experience, too, so those without three years of experience as janitors would be screened out from the beginning.

It truly is effing ridiculous in some areas.
 
I came across a job ad for a janitor position that required three years of experience a few weeks ago. Three years of experience to be a janitor. It was one of those online applications that straight up asks you to check yes or no depending on whether you have the required years of experience, too, so those without three years of experience as janitors would be screened out from the beginning.

It truly is effing ridiculous in some areas.
That's insane. It's probably more of an effort to weed out those who would be dishonest or simply don't have the ability to hold down a job. Still, I maintain that anyone with a bachelors can find a job if they work hard enough. A career-worthy job is different, but jobs are always around for those looking hard enough, especially for those with the qualifications to get 6 med school interviews.
 
Some obs:

Work all those wait lists all the way until orientation. I'd avoid discussing homeless in your update letters. 6 WLs should net one acceptance.

Try to get a job ... and then a roommate in case things don't work out.

I'd wait another year to re-apply if necessary. Stabilize your situation. Tell you what tho: you got great content for a reapp essay.
 
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That's insane. It's probably more of an effort to weed out those who would be dishonest or simply don't have the ability to hold down a job. Still, I maintain that anyone with a bachelors can find a job if they work hard enough. A career-worthy job is different, but jobs are always around for those looking hard enough, especially for those with the qualifications to get 6 med school interviews.
I think this is true for most people in most areas. Living where I live now, I honestly think I'd stand a way greater chance at getting into med school than finding a job. I've applied to easily 100 positions, and that's not an exaggeration. I haven't been applying to many career-worthy positions because I'm not looking for a career. I'm looking for a way to pay my rent so I can stay in school and finish my pre-reqs, and I've filled out my share of applications for dishwashing and janitorial positions. I have literally received emails from places like Ryan's telling me they regret to inform me that they found someone more qualified than me to fill people's drinks. I do have a bachelor's degree, but most employers aren't tripping over themselves to hire someone with an English degree...my mistake, I know. The thing is, employers don't give a damn about my high grades. Med schools do. It's part of my reason for wanting to go to med school; the area in which I've excelled the most doesn't mean much outside of medicine. I do have some work experience, but it doesn't transfer very well over to the types of jobs available in this area.

Anyway, I'm not saying my situation IS the OP's situation. I don't know him or her. I'm just saying it's not as far-fetched a situation as one might think. I'm also venting about my experience because there's not much else I can do lol.
 
Dear @geneexpression,

Have you consider jobs related with an english degree? There are plenty of offers in the freelance online industry, tutors for SAT, etc.

Sincerely, Hysek.
 
I think this is true for most people in most areas. Living where I live now, I honestly think I'd stand a way greater chance at getting into med school than finding a job. I've applied to easily 100 positions, and that's not an exaggeration. I haven't been applying to many career-worthy positions because I'm not looking for a career. I'm looking for a way to pay my rent so I can stay in school and finish my pre-reqs, and I've filled out my share of applications for dishwashing and janitorial positions. I have literally received emails from places like Ryan's telling me they regret to inform me that they found someone more qualified than me to fill people's drinks. I do have a bachelor's degree, but most employers aren't tripping over themselves to hire someone with an English degree...my mistake, I know. The thing is, employers don't give a damn about my high grades. Med schools do. It's part of my reason for wanting to go to med school; the area in which I've excelled the most doesn't mean much outside of medicine. I do have some work experience, but it doesn't transfer very well over to the types of jobs available in this area.

Anyway, I'm not saying my situation IS the OP's situation. I don't know him or her. I'm just saying it's not as far-fetched a situation as one might think. I'm also venting about my experience because there's not much else I can do lol.

I was in a similar boat when I applied to CNA jobs this year. I already have my BS/PreReqs done and I wanted some time off so I got this license. It was actually pretty difficult to get a job and only one hospital called me back out of the 30+ apps I put in.
 
I think this is true for most people in most areas. Living where I live now, I honestly think I'd stand a way greater chance at getting into med school than finding a job.

Anyway, I'm not saying my situation IS the OP's situation. I don't know him or her. I'm just saying it's not as far-fetched a situation as one might think. I'm also venting also my experience because there's not much else I can do lol.
Fair enough. I got my degree in engineering, so I can't really talk in this situation. Even getting job in engineering is not easy anymore. I met a number of pre-meds doing things entirely unrelated to their degrees though. Scribe jobs, clinical assistant jobs, secretarial work at a health-related company/practice, etc... I think some places really are just looking to take advantage of the high number of highly qualified grads who can't find degree-related jobs. Tons of places are hiring whoever has the best qualifications just because the job requires little to no training, and they want someone who is responsible and intelligent enough to add something to the position.
 
Dear @geneexpression,

Have you consider jobs related with an english degree? There are plenty of offers in the freelance online industry, tutors for SAT, etc.

Sincerely, Hysek.
I do some online freelance writing work, but it's very inconsistent and doesn't pay enough to cover my expenses. For example, I wrote some articles for a client today that only paid $5 a piece. Freelance work doesn't tend to be very steady because most clients only have one or two things they need you to write, edit, etc. for them, and then they're gone. It can also get extremely time-consuming because of the clients who demand three and four rewrites of articles just to get your $15 out of them, not to mention the clients who provide you with no guidelines other than, "I would like an article about a recent trending topic involving a celebrity," and then they leave you bad feedback on freelancing platforms because the content you produced didn't meet their vision, making it harder to secure future clients. If you have any leads that offer more stability and income, I'm all ears!


I was in a similar boat when I applied to CNA jobs this year. I already have my BS/PreReqs done and I wanted some time off so I got this license. It was actually pretty difficult to get a job and only one hospital called me back out of the 30+ apps I put in.
That's scary. :/ I considered getting a CNA because I thought it would open lots of doors! I didn't get one in the end due to the price and also because I don't think I would have been able to fit one of the programs in with my school schedule.
 
I do some online freelance writing work, but it's very inconsistent and doesn't pay enough to cover my expenses. For example, I wrote some articles for a client today that only paid $5 a piece. Freelance work doesn't tend to be very steady because most clients only have one or two things they need you to write, edit, etc. for them, and then they're gone. It can also get extremely time-consuming because of the clients who demand three and four rewrites of articles just to get your $15 out of them, not to mention the clients who provide you with no guidelines other than, "I would like an article about a recent trending topic involving a celebrity," and then they leave you bad feedback on freelancing platforms because the content you produced didn't meet their vision, making it harder to secure future clients. If you have any leads that offer more stability and income, I'm all ears!



That's scary. :/ I considered getting a CNA because I thought it would open lots of doors! I didn't get one in the end due to the price and also because I don't think I would have been able to fit one of the programs in with my school schedule.

I didn't do a program. I just challenged the test. It was very easy lol. I learned all the "clinical" skills from watching youtube. Very easy I tell you. I think it costed like 150.00 in total for the license. My job now has given me an opportunity to work with cardiac patients in an observation unit (no cleaning poop thank god lol).
 
I didn't do a program. I just challenged the test. It was very easy lol. I learned all the "clinical" skills from watching youtube. Very easy I tell you. I think it costed like 150.00 in total for the license. My job now has given me an opportunity to work with cardiac patients in an observation unit (no cleaning poop thank god lol).
Oh seriously? I thought a formal class was required for the certification. I will have to revisit that possibility!
 
Oh seriously? I thought a formal class was required for the certification. I will have to revisit that possibility!

Nope. Here in Florida we can just challenge the test. Your state might be different so check into it. It should be listed on your states board of nursing website under FAQ. The clinical portion you just learn online and the written portion is all common sense/basic medical terminology. EG What is the Medical Term for high blood pressure? a. MI B. HTN C. LOL D. You get the picture. lol it's a great/easy way to add real work clinical experience on your application. Scribe is good i guess too but you don't get much patient interaction. I would also suggest trying to find a job in an observation unit so you don't have to do the nitty gritty CNA work.
 
Nope. Here in Florida we can just challenge the test. Your state might be different so check into it. It should be listed on your states board of nursing website under FAQ. The clinical portion you just learn online and the written portion is all common sense/basic medical terminology. EG What is the Medical Term for high blood pressure? a. MI B. HTN C. LOL D. You get the picture. lol it's a great/easy way to add real work clinical experience on your application. Scribe is good i guess too but you don't get much patient interaction. I would also suggest trying to find a job in an observation unit so you don't have to do the nitty gritty CNA work.
I will check it out, thanks! I'm taking the Fall off of school because I don't have any other choice and am moving back in with my parents for five months (hoping to study for the MCAT during this time and take the current version in January), so it would be great if I can get a CNA and find a clinical job during that time instead of anything I can find that will allow me to stash money away.

*edit* I think the internet is telling me an actual program is required in my state, but I'm having trouble finding a source that just explicitly says "Yes, you must take a course," or "All that is required is the exam."

I'll have to investigate more later.
 
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