When to consult ophtho?

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So I've just finished 3rd year and am making a list of when ophtho consults are needed:

candidemia
herpes keratitis
herpes zoster/shingles involving face (and torso I think?)
temporal arteritis
obvious eye trauma

Any other times it would be wise to consult an ophthalmologist?

-bb
 
herpes zoster/shingles involving ... (and torso I think?) No
 
I think this is a little broad to be useful. However, I think there are a few things not to consult for...
1)spontaneous subconj heme (learn what this is)
2)myopia or presbyopia--is vision always blurry when they do not have their glasses on? Find out the chronicity of vision loss. Chronic vision changes most likely do not need inpatient consults. Learn how to check a vision.
3)Bilateral sudden simultaneous vision loss-- there are some caveats here, and at some point these people probably deserve an ophthalmology exam, but usually this is a stroke! Don't wait for the ophthalmologist to tell you that the patient should have had TPA.
4)Chronic itchy eyes usually don't deserve an urgent consult.
5)Do not do inpatient consults for glasses (see point 2).
 
So I've just finished 3rd year and am making a list of when ophtho consults are needed:

candidemia
herpes keratitis
herpes zoster/shingles involving face (and torso I think?)
temporal arteritis
obvious eye trauma

Any other times it would be wise to consult an ophthalmologist?

-bb



Who is receiving this? Chief residents of hospital services? All residents? Residents and attendings.

Be diplomatic about this.

Start out with some remark about appreciating their regard for eye and vision problems and the fact that you and your department welcome inquiries regardless the reason. It never hurts to say that you appreciate any opportunity to provide timely and useful assistance to them in the care of their patients.The list you are providing is meant to be a helpful guide to common problems and complaints where your service may be beneficial.

To that end:

Any complaints of vision loss, any age
Pain in the eye or periocular areas
Double vision
Flashes and floaters
Ocular trauma
Head trauma
suspected zoster dermatitis of the upper face
patients taking hydroxychloroquine and other drugs known to affect vision
Immunocompromised patients with any vision or eye complaint
pediatric white pupil
premature neonatal patients
strabismus in any age child
orbital or eyelid swelling in any child

Since you are a third-year, it is time you think like an attending. Imagine you are responsible for the service, you are responsible for good and productive relations with all of the other services. What would you do?

One useful question you can always ask yourself, no matter what the situation, or how unnecessary you might think a fellow service request might be is: "how can I help this patient at this time and how can I add anything useful to this situation right now?" That isn't all that easy when you are tired and feeling slightly abused, but being able to stand back at that moment and ask that question is the difference between being a professional and not.
 
I might be wrong, but I think the OP is a 3rd-year med student, not resident.

Thank you for bringing up this question and for all the responses. I'm an intern this year, and the decision to request a consult from any particular service still seems somewhat arbitrary to me at this point... hoping it will make more sense as the year goes on.
 
Yes, I am a newly minted 4th year and I just wanted to know what to look out for. I know a lot of ophtho issues get written off as "They probably have an outpatient ophthalmologist." I just wanted to get an idea for which problems really need to be addressed in the hospital or immediately after discharge.

Thanks for all the responses!
 
I know a lot of ophtho issues get written off as "They probably have an outpatient ophthalmologist."

For inpatients, this is actually appropriate quite often, although you don't want to be flippant about it. For instance, on orbitsurg's list, an inpatient consult for plaquenil (hydroxychloroquine) use is definitely unnecessary unless the pt is complaining of new visual symptoms.
 
When to consult ophtho?

After you have checked visual acuity.
 
how about "needs annual diabetic exam" or "blurry vision for the past 6 months"
 
how about "needs annual diabetic exam" or "blurry vision for the past 6 months"

you can do the referral to the eye clinic yourself or ask the PCP to do it, no need for inpatient consult.
 
how about "needs annual diabetic exam" or "blurry vision for the past 6 months"

When you switch your status to something besides "resident", you will come to discover that "needs annual diabetic exam" is a very important thing all around, one that you will learn to accommodate.
 
When you switch your status to something besides "resident", you will come to discover that "needs annual diabetic exam" is a very important thing all around, one that you will learn to accommodate.

But for an inpt consult?? I still don't think this is something we should accommodate.
 
But for an inpt consult?? I still don't think this is something we should accommodate.

Up to you. Where do you think you are going to find the cataracts you want? No one will be spoonfeeding you when you get done.

One thing that I have noticed about residents with high cataract numbers is that they also have high clinic throughput. Just sayin'.
 
Up to you. Where do you think you are going to find the cataracts you want? No one will be spoonfeeding you when you get done.

One thing that I have noticed about residents with high cataract numbers is that they also have high clinic throughput. Just sayin'.

I do totally agree with you on this second point, it is the exact same at my program and that is why I am not worried about my numbers is b\c I see more patients than most other residents and am getting plenty of surgery. But when I get called about an inpt needing a diabetic exam and they don't have any specific complaints (not the same as a diabetic c\o vision loss), I am not going to do an urgent inpt consult, I can see them in clinic after d\c within one week and I think this is a better use of our resources. I am not refusing to see the patient, they will be seen and seeing them in clinic where I can do the entire exam as opposed to the hospital floor is better anyway
 
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