When you like most things but love nothing

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I can find interest in most specialties, but have not found a specialty that jumps out as "the one" for me. I guess you could say I have yet to find a specialty that I absolutely love and most things are ok - I've never had the epiphany that most students seem to get where they suddenly knew a certain specialty was for them. I have a preference towards procedural specialties. I enjoy the OR and surgery, but not too long or complex cases. I am ok with medical consults, but don't like spending too long per consult. I do like interacting with patients, ideally patients who are otherwise healthy or at least not highly complex. I am ok with hospitals, but probably prefer a clinic. My preference is for little call (or at least not call in the middle of the night), ideally most weekends off. I'd like a specialty that is flexible to allow for consistent time to do research. In total, not more than 40-50hr work week max after residency (and the lighter the residency the better). Does a specialty exist that aligns with this?

If I were to do a surgical specialty, how flexible is this later on in terms of restricting clinical work to say 3 days per week with not much call?

If medical, what would fit with the patient profile and procedural based aspect?

Since I am ok with most things, but do not seem to love anything specific, should I just aim for ROAD and use that to split time for research?
 
Emergency Medicine. Mix of all diagnoses, some procedures, people use it like a clinic. Jack of all trades, master of none. Critical care can be like that too, but less clinic like and no non-sick patients and sometimes you have to spend a long time with patients and families (like during end of life discussions). But same philosophy of jack of all trade, master of none.

Research is possible in any specialty though I suspect if you only really want to work 3 days a week for 40 hours per week, research is not for you. If you want to be successful at research, you need to work nights and weekends beyond your clinical time.
 
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Thanks everyone for your replies. I have considered EM, and enjoy most of it - it's definitely one of the ones on my list to explore further. My issues with it that I worry would bother me over time are (a) shift work/Night shift + weekends/holidays, and (b) too generalist. I probably also should have mentioned I have a PhD so would probably prefer something more specialized that I can put my research towards. Anything else to consider in addition to EM?
 
Thanks everyone for your replies. I have considered EM, and enjoy most of it - it's definitely one of the ones on my list to explore further. My issues with it that I worry would bother me over time are (a) shift work/Night shift + weekends/holidays, and (b) too generalist. I probably also should have mentioned I have a PhD so would probably prefer something more specialized that I can put my research towards. Anything else to consider in addition to EM?

What's your PhD in? or what would your research be in?
 
I thought ophtho when I read the blurb.

-largely clinic with some short OR cases
-limited scope so you do not end up dealing with multiple comorbidities (except with respect to how they affect the eyes)
-in academics would definitely be possible to work 3 days per week and do substantial research
-not many middle of the night emergencies
-residency can be tough - lots of consults - but life as an attending can be pretty sweet
 
I can find interest in most specialties, but have not found a specialty that jumps out as "the one" for me. I guess you could say I have yet to find a specialty that I absolutely love and most things are ok - I've never had the epiphany that most students seem to get where they suddenly knew a certain specialty was for them. I have a preference towards procedural specialties. I enjoy the OR and surgery, but not too long or complex cases. I am ok with medical consults, but don't like spending too long per consult. I do like interacting with patients, ideally patients who are otherwise healthy or at least not highly complex. I am ok with hospitals, but probably prefer a clinic. My preference is for little call (or at least not call in the middle of the night), ideally most weekends off. I'd like a specialty that is flexible to allow for consistent time to do research. In total, not more than 40-50hr work week max after residency (and the lighter the residency the better). Does a specialty exist that aligns with this?

If I were to do a surgical specialty, how flexible is this later on in terms of restricting clinical work to say 3 days per week with not much call?

If medical, what would fit with the patient profile and procedural based aspect?

Since I am ok with most things, but do not seem to love anything specific, should I just aim for ROAD and use that to split time for research?

Sounds very similar to me, and sounds like derm or Ophtho
 
I can find interest in most specialties, but have not found a specialty that jumps out as "the one" for me. I guess you could say I have yet to find a specialty that I absolutely love and most things are ok - I've never had the epiphany that most students seem to get where they suddenly knew a certain specialty was for them. I have a preference towards procedural specialties. I enjoy the OR and surgery, but not too long or complex cases. I am ok with medical consults, but don't like spending too long per consult. I do like interacting with patients, ideally patients who are otherwise healthy or at least not highly complex. I am ok with hospitals, but probably prefer a clinic. My preference is for little call (or at least not call in the middle of the night), ideally most weekends off. I'd like a specialty that is flexible to allow for consistent time to do research. In total, not more than 40-50hr work week max after residency (and the lighter the residency the better). Does a specialty exist that aligns with this?

If I were to do a surgical specialty, how flexible is this later on in terms of restricting clinical work to say 3 days per week with not much call?

If medical, what would fit with the patient profile and procedural based aspect?

Since I am ok with most things, but do not seem to love anything specific, should I just aim for ROAD and use that to split time for research?
Thanks everyone for your replies. I have considered EM, and enjoy most of it - it's definitely one of the ones on my list to explore further. My issues with it that I worry would bother me over time are (a) shift work/Night shift + weekends/holidays, and (b) too generalist. I probably also should have mentioned I have a PhD so would probably prefer something more specialized that I can put my research towards. Anything else to consider in addition to EM?
In addition to derm or ophtho, also consider rad onc. Although patients not "healthy" but you usually don't manage throughout their cancer etc like a heme/oncologist would.
 
As @eteshoe said, what is your PhD in? That matters quite a bit because you don't want to go into Dermatology or Ophthalmology if your PhD is in TNFa mediated vascular dysfunction in models of hypertension (though there probably would be ways to gear it towards something else, diabetic retinopathy, cutaneous vasculitis, etc). To make your research is fundable (and most satisfying in my opinion) your research and clinical experience should have overlap.

Again, in Emergency Medicine, Internal Medicine and Critical Care, generally you see enough to make your research easy to fit into your clinical experience, but without knowing what the PhD is in, it is hard to give any good advice.
 
How on earth are people suggesting EM?

Is this a joke I'm just not getting?

The answer is derm and it's not even close.

According to like 90% of med students wanting to go into EM, it's the new lifestyle specialty.
 
Thanks again everyone. My PhD is in engineering, so I like to think it's applicable to everything, but my work was on connective tissues. I could see myself continuing on with old research while also taking up new things related to whichever clinical specialty I do, and also collaborating with doctors in other specialties on projects. So I don't necessarily feel my clinical specialty needs to match perfectly with my research specialty.

Are fellowships needed in derm/ophthal for an academic position? I've not considered rad onc, so I'll look into this as well.

For those who had similar thoughts as me, i.e., that there was no specialty you loved, how did you find this affected you during residency and onwards?

Thanks again everyone!
 
Are fellowships needed in derm/ophthal for an academic position?

For Derm, absolutely not. Can't speak from experience or ophthalmology, but I doubt they need one either.

If your research is in connective tissues then yes definitely Derm seems to be the obvious choice. Maybe you can cure the various forms of EB. It's a ****ty disease.
 
If you read ops description and then suggest em I'm kinda confused

Wants things to be like clinic , regular hours, research heavy, and healthy patients.

I get the perception that the low hours make em "lifestyle friendly," but that is really not the case
 
Does any specialty fit this description?

-shift work
-no call
-no overnight, weekend, or holidays shifts
-minimal paperwork (i.e. short, formulaic notes)
-possibility to work 30-40 hours per week (I'm willing to accept the trade-off of significantly lower pay)
 
How far along in school are you OP? You need to get some ophtho experience sooner than later if you are interested from what I understand.
 
Does any specialty fit this description?

-shift work
-no call
-no overnight, weekend, or holidays shifts
-minimal paperwork (i.e. short, formulaic notes)
-possibility to work 30-40 hours per week (I'm willing to accept the trade-off of significantly lower pay)
Surgicalist?
 
Does any specialty fit this description?

-shift work
-no call
-no overnight, weekend, or holidays shifts
-minimal paperwork (i.e. short, formulaic notes)
-possibility to work 30-40 hours per week (I'm willing to accept the trade-off of significantly lower pay)

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Does any specialty fit this description?

-shift work
-no call
-no overnight, weekend, or holidays shifts
-minimal paperwork (i.e. short, formulaic notes)
-possibility to work 30-40 hours per week (I'm willing to accept the trade-off of significantly lower pay)
Family practice, private practice
 
Surgicalist?

I'm just an M1 and I've never set foot in an OR in my entire life, but I always felt like I could never be a surgeon. I'm not squeamish or anything, but I just never saw myself as the surgical type. Who knows, maybe I will fall in love with it once I get to surgery rotation, but I don't think I will.

The way i see it, each specialty has its own brand of stress. For example, in family med the stress is largely interpersonal (you vs the 14 patients you need to see that afternoon)...in radiology, its largely intellectual (you vs the stack of 200 x rays you need to read)...whereas surgery has the potential to have the greatest, purest form of stress: the life and death of your patient literally in your hands. Obviously not all surgeries fall into that category (though a surgicalist would certainly experience their fair share of crazy trauma cases that fall under that category, i would presume)..and of course there is much crossover between the types of stress between the specialties...but ultimately, i feel that i am best suited to deal with intellectual stress.

I keep coming back to gas and rads. Rads is probably the purest form of the intellectual stress type specialties (and maybe path as well I guess, but that doesn't really interest me) Gas obviously has a good dose of the surgical type stress, but its also highly mentally stimulating in that you must be really vigilant. Its like chess. You need to be thinking multiple steps ahead to determine what could go wrong. Especially now that gas is becoming more and more management of crna's, its like playing multiple chess games in different rooms. That appeals to me.

Moreover, both rads and gas are amenable to shift work, which is key to me. I wouldnt mind going into a "mommy track" gas job lol...i would have no problem accepting $180-250K if it meant i could work 30-40 hours per week with no call, overnight, weekends, or holidays...

The same gig in rads would probably be the ultimate for me, but i dont think they let radiologists do that nowadays, unfortunately. Probably due to the tight job market.
 
I can find interest in most specialties, but have not found a specialty that jumps out as "the one" for me. I guess you could say I have yet to find a specialty that I absolutely love and most things are ok - I've never had the epiphany that most students seem to get where they suddenly knew a certain specialty was for them. I have a preference towards procedural specialties. I enjoy the OR and surgery, but not too long or complex cases. I am ok with medical consults, but don't like spending too long per consult. I do like interacting with patients, ideally patients who are otherwise healthy or at least not highly complex. I am ok with hospitals, but probably prefer a clinic. My preference is for little call (or at least not call in the middle of the night), ideally most weekends off. I'd like a specialty that is flexible to allow for consistent time to do research. In total, not more than 40-50hr work week max after residency (and the lighter the residency the better). Does a specialty exist that aligns with this?

If I were to do a surgical specialty, how flexible is this later on in terms of restricting clinical work to say 3 days per week with not much call?

If medical, what would fit with the patient profile and procedural based aspect?

Since I am ok with most things, but do not seem to love anything specific, should I just aim for ROAD and use that to split time for research?

Another plug for ophtho. In terms of the bolded items above,

Procedural
- most clinics are procedural/surgical. Some subspecialties have more procedures and surgeries, some less.
Enjoy OR but not too long/complex - most attendings have 1-2 days of OR/week with short cases (15-60 mins, depending on subspecialty)
Medical consults - most ophtho consults are medical (aside from trauma), and can usually be completed in ~30 minutes or so once you get fast.
Interacting with patients - talk with patients in clinic, most visits are short (5-10 mins, sometimes less)
Otherwise healthy - most are, and if they have other complex issues, you don't have to wade through all of them. Hospital patients you consult on are usually sick (cancer/ID/trauma/neuro patients), but this is more a factor in residency than as an attending
Little call - completely dependent on your organization structure and subspecialty once done. I know attendings that take no call, and attendings that are on very frequently. The upside is that most calls as an attending can be managed via phone, with some exceptions. Call in residency sucks and is really only infrequent at larger programs that can spread out the call, but the worst of it (primary call) is over after 1-2 years.
Most weekends off - As an attending almost uniformly yes (again subspecialty dependent, the more surgical subspecialties may end up coming in over the weekend for an urgent case). Even as a resident you have more weekends off than not (depending on call structure of your program). The tradeoff for most weekends off as an attending is that as a resident on weekend call you end up dealing with all the community dumps to the academic center so the attendings can live the sweet life.
Flexible time to allow for research - This can be accomplished in academia. And to the points made by other posters, you don't necessarily need a fellowship to accomplish this. I know a few (keyword few) attendings who are not fellowship trained but spend significant time (50-75%) on research. Fellowship training is helpful for landing an academic job though, which can open up more opportunities to split clinical and research time.
40-50 hours work week - certainly possible as an attending, and probably the norm. The good weeks in residency will be 50-60 hours, but if you happen to have a busy call night or weekend, can be 60-80, and occasionally can go over 80 hours (but these hours are generally limited to when you take primary call, again which is for 1-2 years).
Lighter residency - Here's the rub...residency is not easy (despite the seemingly widespread perception otherwise). The learning curve is steep for the first year or two. Given that nobody knows much about the eye, and what is and is not emergent, other specialties have a low threshold to consult and expect you to see nearly everything quickly. The community docs dump on you, especially over the weekends. There is a good amount of trauma (program dependent), which never seems to happen between 8am and 8pm. You don't get to do much surgery early on (program dependent), and take on a lot of the duties/patients nobody else wants to deal with. This all makes the first year pretty unpleasant, but improves as you move forward, and by the time you're a third year life is pretty sweet. Attending life is nothing like residency though, and most attendings seem significantly happier than the first year residents.

Hope that helps. PM me with other questions.
 
Wait the OP says "like everything but love nothing" and you guys say derm? Why would the obvious choice not be FM? Don't you have to love skin to choose derm? And optho? Lol you want him to do surgery when he doesn't love the field?
 
Wait the OP says "like everything but love nothing" and you guys say derm? Why would the obvious choice not be FM? Don't you have to love skin to choose derm? And optho? Lol you want him to do surgery when he doesn't love the field?

Maybe he thinks only peasants do family medicine.
 
Since I am ok with most things, but do not seem to love anything specific, should I just aim for ROAD and use that to split time for research?
You didn't volunteer which stage you are presently at in your medical training (e.g., 3rd and 4th-year clinical rotations, or something else)?

Since you mentioned emergency medicine above, have you considered aiming for E-ROAD (which may offer a controllable lifestyle in 5 specialties)?

The profession of medicine often poses a confounding balancing act: we may like "some things" in our chosen careers (e.g., portability of practice, stimulating work); and we may dislike other things (declining autonomy, mounds of paperwork). So, don't be surprised if you're unable to discover an ideal "all-purpose" solution to the question set forth in your OP. At times, there is no ideal solution.
 
Thanks again everyone. I'm an M3. I've definitely thought about derm in the past and so will need to explore this more clinically. Seems like it could also fit with research interests. I'm less familiar with ophthal, so will look into this as well.
 
Does any specialty fit this description?
Just some things to consider:
-shift work
I think true "shift work" is only really possible in a handful of specialties:
-EM
-ICU if you do exclusively critical care, not pulm/cc or ID/cc or whatever
-anesthesia if you're not on call
-hospitalist
-maybe path and rads, depending

However, there are advantages in "owning" patients, having to follow-up with them, etc., especially given the uncertain future of healthcare.
Some types of call are better than others. Not all "call" is created equal. Call isn't so bad if for example all you have to do is answer the phone and schedule the patient to come see you in the morning.
-no overnight, weekend, or holidays shifts
This doesn't depend on the specialty alone, but it also depends on other factors like the type of environment or setting you're in. For example, you can be an oncologist in the community and work nights, weekends, and holidays.
-minimal paperwork (i.e. short, formulaic notes)
I'm not sure if any specialty really meets the "short, formulaic notes" criterion. Although any notes even long notes (like long progress notes or discharge summaries) can become "formulaic" after seeing enough of those patients and writing enough of those notes. Surgeons tend to write shorter notes on their rounds in my experience, but most surgical specialties aren't exactly lifestyle friendly.
-possibility to work 30-40 hours per week (I'm willing to accept the trade-off of significantly lower pay)
It's possible to be a surgeon who works ~40 hours per week. It depends on what your partners or employers think, what they're okay with, etc.
 
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Does any specialty fit this description?

-shift work
-no call
-no overnight, weekend, or holidays shifts
-minimal paperwork (i.e. short, formulaic notes)
-possibility to work 30-40 hours per week (I'm willing to accept the trade-off of significantly lower pay)
I'd say the following could come close to fitting your description, though all imperfectly (please see below for more about what I mean):

-Anesthesia (mommy track)
-Derm
-IM>A/I
-IM>endo
-IM>rheum
-OB/GYN>gyn only
-OB/GYN>REI
-Ophtho +/- some subspecialties
-Pain
-Pathology
-PCPs (e.g., FM, IM, pediatrics)
-PM&R
-Psych
-Rad onc
-Radiology

1) All have their own very important caveats (e.g., must get through IM or OB/GYN first; if you can tolerate the work; if you can tolerate the patients such as in pain or psych; jobs may not be available depending on your geographic limitations; depends on what your partners or employers find acceptable; depends if you mean you're just starting out as a new attending or are more established with good referral patterns and reputation in the community)

2) All have trade-offs too (e.g., if we focus only on anesthesia for now: de-skilling seems possible in some mommy track jobs; mommy track jobs can still be fast paced where everyone is pushing for the next case; some mommy track jobs don't have a lot of support in terms of equipment and resources; and anesthesia as a whole faces challenges with supervising CRNAs and from AMCs).

3) And keep in mind, even in specialties which aren't known for being lifestyle friendly, it's possible to carve out a life, depending on other factors.
 
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Sorry to bring this back to the top. Tried out EM, and while fun, I think it's too acute for me. Tried derm and enjoyed it so that's still on the table. I was wondering, where does PM&R fit in with my wish list? I have no interest in pain, but do like MSK and some aspects of neuro. What sorts of options are there for practice besides pain? Are PMRs essentially non-surgical ortho + a bit of neuro movement problems, or is it almost exclusively amputations, SCI and stroke? And what sorts of procedures can be done? Lastly, how's the work/call/evenings+weekends/pay balance?

Thanks!
 
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