"Where else have/are you interviewing?"

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"Where else have you interviewed?" "What other programmes are you looking at?" I've gotten questions along these lines from practically every interview I've been on. It seems that programme directors are all absolutely fascinated and obsessed with where else applicants are applying to. So far I've done my best to play coy and answer with vague statements like, "Oh, I'm applying to a number of programmes, mostly on the west coast and Midwest". Sometimes I have to throw them a bone and tell them a few specific programmes I am interviewing at in the geographic vicinity. I try to hide the fact that I am in fact interviewing at 18 programmes, most of them west of Denver. I feel like if they find out I am interviewing at so many programmes then my chances of ending up at their particular programme is signficantly less than an applicant who is only interviewing at 7 programmes. At my few Midwest and one East Coast interviews I also feared that the programme would doubt my willingness to rank a programme east of Denver when clearly I have a very strong desire to end up in the west coast, having applied to so many programmes there.

What is everyone's take on how to tackle this very common interview question?

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I'm not a a program director, but I ask this question a lot for 2 reasons:
1) It lets me know more about what an applicant is looking for in a residency program; and
2) I seriously do want to know how our program compares to the other programs they visit. It may help me to direct them to an opportunity in our program, or to help us think about ways to improve our program, etc.

I don't know--maybe our program is just much more straightforward than other programs, or maybe it's just me--I despise the gamesmanship that everyone seems to think is going on. From where I sit, it makes no difference at all.

"Where else have you interviewed?" "What other programmes are you looking at?" I've gotten questions along these lines from practically every interview I've been on. It seems that programme directors are all absolutely fascinated and obsessed with where else applicants are applying to. So far I've done my best to play coy and answer with vague statements like, "Oh, I'm applying to a number of programmes, mostly on the west coast and Midwest". Sometimes I have to throw them a bone and tell them a few specific programmes I am interviewing at in the geographic vicinity. I try to hide the fact that I am in fact interviewing at 18 programmes, most of them west of Denver. I feel like if they find out I am interviewing at so many programmes then my chances of ending up at their particular programme is signficantly less than an applicant who is only interviewing at 7 programmes. At my few Midwest and one East Coast interviews I also feared that the programme would doubt my willingness to rank a programme east of Denver when clearly I have a very strong desire to end up in the west coast, having applied to so many programmes there.

What is everyone's take on how to tackle this very common interview question?
 
I'm not a a program director, but I ask this question a lot for 2 reasons:
1) It lets me know more about what an applicant is looking for in a residency program; and
2) I seriously do want to know how our program compares to the other programs they visit. It may help me to direct them to an opportunity in our program, or to help us think about ways to improve our program, etc.

I don't know--maybe our program is just much more straightforward than other programs, or maybe it's just me--I despise the gamesmanship that everyone seems to think is going on. From where I sit, it makes no difference at all.

I agree with OldPsychDoc. Just answer the question. The coy response does not help you.

When I was on the interview trail, I was asked this question pretty much by every interviewer, and I responded with a straight response. In most cases, it gave me an opportunity to talk about what I was looking for in a program, why applied to the programs I applied to, etc. In several instances, the interviewer (trying to be helpful) followed up with something like "oh, well if you liked X program then you might like Y program, had you thought about applying there?", or "given your interests in P and Q, you should also look into program R". In most cases, these conversations were very helpful to me.

Now, when I interview applicants myself, I often (depending on the course of the interview) ask the same question, for two reasons. One, it helps me get a sense for the applicant's interests, which can then lead to a fruitful conversation about these interests. Second, like OldPsychDoc, I am always curious to learn more about programs to which I have very little exposure. If there are better ways that our program can structure its didactics, or arrange its rotations, then I would like to learn more about them.

Sometimes I get a straight answer to my question. Often I receive a coy response. If I receive a coy response, honestly that causes me to tune out a little for the remainder of the interview. From my perspective as an interviewer, if I can't get a straight answer from an applicant on a simple question like this, then why should I expect to obtain straight answers on more complex questions?

From the applicant's perspective, harboring an overly suspicious, mistrustful, and jaded view of the interview/match process does not serve an effective protective function.

-AT.
 
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Plus it's fun to watch an interviewer squirm when you tell them "My rank list is probably going to come down to deciding between 'Program-X-That-You-Think-Sucks' and 'Your Program.'" 😀
 
Now, when I interview applicants myself, I often (depending on the course of the interview) ask the same question, for two reasons. One, it helps me get a sense for the applicant's interests, which can then lead to a fruitful conversation about these interests. Second, like OldPsychDoc, I am always curious to learn more about programs to which I have very little exposure. If there are better ways that our program can structure its didactics, or arrange its rotations, then I would like to learn more about them.
This is where academic medicine is different from most fields. In most professional settings, asking a job applicant where else they are interviewing is considered in poor form. It's just not anyone's business where else the candidate is looking for a job. Frankly, some answers could potentially hurt the applicant and rarely could any answer they give help them.

Asking where else an applicant has applied in order to find out what they're interested in is fine. But if an applicant gives an answer that doesn't rattle off a specific list of competitors, it doesn't take a lot of effort for the interviewer to essentially ask, "I'm trying to get an impression of what you are looking for in a program." And if an interviewee can't answer that one intelligently, that's a bad sign.

Asking where else an applicant has applied in order to do internal quality control or marketing is fine and understandable, but it's not really the role of the interview.
Sometimes I get a straight answer to my question. Often I receive a coy response. If I receive a coy response, honestly that causes me to tune out a little for the remainder of the interview.
My instincts would be to initially give a diplomatic answer like Messerschmitts said. If an interviewer pressed the point, I think I'd give the name of a program or two and ask politely, "Can I ask why you're asking?" This gives the interviewer the opportunity to explain what they're looking for and I could give them what they want.

If I got the impression that an interviewer was tuning out after hearing the diplomatic answer and didn't bother with a follow-up question, that would be a red flag for me.
if I can't get a straight answer from an applicant on a simple question like this, then why should I expect to obtain straight answers on more complex questions?
The straight answer to the question "Where else are you applying?" is "Why do you want to know?" but I'm not sure how well that would be received. It's definitely a simple question, but folks are reluctant to give a straight answer for the same reason that they're reluctant to give a straight answer to the simple question of whether or not we plan to have kids: from the applicant's seat, it's hard to know if the question is innocuous or not.

I'd hope that interviewers can understand candidates reluctance to answer that question. But hearing atsai3 and OPD's opinions and feedback is extremely helpful, particularly for those of us who came to medicine from other fields, in which we are careful not to speak about other hiring prospects with a potential employer. Since medicine is made up predominantly of folks whose professional experience is limited to the medical field, I think a lot of the culture, courtesies, and politics go unspoken and are assumed to be known.
 
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Thanks to notdeadyet for understanding exactly where I was coming from. I wish interviewers for residency programmes would adhere to the same unspoken rules that apply for interviews in other occupations. It makes me very uncomfortable to answer this question and I wish they'd stop asking it. Let me tell you why I'm a good candidate, and why I like your programme. I thought that was what the interview was supposed to be about.
 
I wish interviewers for residency programmes would adhere to the same unspoken rules that apply for interviews in other occupations.
Well, at the end of the day, their ball = their rules. It would just be helpful if this stuff was communicated more explicitly. If I had an interviewer outside of this gig who kept drilling me on where else I was applying, my instinct would say that his company was in trouble.

Also, I'm not aware if PD's know that almost all pre-med advisors recommend that applicants try to avoid answering the same question when applying to medical schools. So that may be a hanger-on when folks get to the residency application level.
It makes me very uncomfortable to answer this question and I wish they'd stop asking it.
Well, this thread has been great in that at least now from atsai3 and OPD why they're asking.

Knowing that, if you're still uncomfortable giving a punch list of where else you'll be interviewing, you can answer, "I'm applying to Downtown U and East State and other west coast programs. What I'm really looking for in a program is....." and give a thoughtful, non-rote answer. If that's not good enough and zey vant zee NAMES, then maybe it's a sign that the program's not a good fit for you.
 
Thanks to notdeadyet for understanding exactly where I was coming from. I wish interviewers for residency programmes would adhere to the same unspoken rules that apply for interviews in other occupations. It makes me very uncomfortable to answer this question and I wish they'd stop asking it. Let me tell you why I'm a good candidate, and why I like your programme. I thought that was what the interview was supposed to be about.

Interesting. At a good majority of my strategy consulting and investment banking interviews, I was asked about other shops. Sounds like there may be other industries where this is considered poor form.

-AT.
 
Interesting. At a good majority of my strategy consulting and investment banking interviews, I was asked about other shops.
Oh, it's definitely asked, but I don't ever think I've come across it for the "I'm just seeing if you'd be a good fit here" you explained was behind Psych interviews.

I worked in strategy consulting as well (albeit tech focus, not finance) and though the question was often asked, it was pretty blatantly for intel purposes.

  • "So what is D&T offering these days? They still talking about opening a Honolulu office?"
  • "Did you interview at KPMG? What sort of promotion track are they promising?"

I've never come across the "Where are you interviewing?" question in which it wasn't asked purely in the interest of the company that was doing the interviewing. And I never felt the urge to answer, unless I thought there was a way to work it in my favor (e.g.: "Acme is promising X% quarterly incentives. I'd be interested in knowing if you could match that...")

I'm ready to believe that the question is for the candidate's benefit in Psych residency interviews, and it's good info to have, but for some of us older dogs, it's going to take a while to get used to.
Sounds like there may be other industries where this is considered poor form. [bold mine]
My bad. "Poor form" is probably a poor choice of words. I have never felt it's poor form to ask the question, just poor form to expect an actual response. In the past, if asked, I'd usually say directly, "I'm interviewing at a few other companies in your market." or something along those lines. If I was ever pressed on it (and I never was), I think my reaction would be bemused surprise. It's just not expected that you're going to give your interviewer a list of the desks your resume is sitting on.
 
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I interview about 1-2 candidates per interview day, usually folks who are from the South or the Midwest, interested in child, or interested in the research track. I always ask about other programs, but I think I've usually established the goal of my interview well before.

My goal for every interview is to talk about how my program is ONE of the right answers on their list of really good programs. I take a soft-sell, Rogerian approach, and I really just want somebody to get to talk about what they want. For research-interested people, I've several times pointed out people they should speak to at other programs, sometimes folks I met while I was interviewing. I am very up front that I think I would have been happy at lots of places, but I had particular reasons for picking my program, and I am happy, and feel like I have lots of opportunities to do whatever I want.

So I think in context the question is useful because it helps me talk about ways that the program matches with things they want. I don't spend any time figuring out if someone is "good" in the interview. They have an application for that. I just want to know whether the person strikes me as somebody I think I could depend on as a colleague, and somebody I think I could learn something from if they were training with me. That's all 🙂
 
I actally enjoy getting this question because it reaffirms for me what I am looking for in a program. After almost every interview day I discover something new that interests or appeals to me in a program and I remember why I thought about X program in the first place. I am sure when I answer this question I sound a little bit like I am just figuring out for myself why I liked the programs I applied to, but perhaps that is better than a boilerplate answer. Who knows.
 
I tend to ask the question more during the pre-interview night dinner. My motivation is to just make conversation and get to know the applicants better. I also use it to compare our program to other programs that I may be aware of. I have a tendency to tell them about the positive points of other programs they may be applying to and why I picked mine over the others. I always, always make a point to never say anything negative about another program--that should be a red flag for an applicant.
 
This is where academic medicine is different from most fields. In most professional settings, asking a job applicant where else they are interviewing is considered in poor form. It's just not anyone's business where else the candidate is looking for a job. Frankly, some answers could potentially hurt the applicant and rarely could any answer they give help them.

Asking where else an applicant has applied in order to find out what they're interested in is fine. But if an applicant gives an answer that doesn't rattle off a specific list of competitors, it doesn't take a lot of effort for the interviewer to essentially ask, "I'm trying to get an impression of what you are looking for in a program." And if an interviewee can't answer that one intelligently, that's a bad sign.

Asking where else an applicant has applied in order to do internal quality control or marketing is fine and understandable, but it's not really the role of the interview.

My instincts would be to initially give a diplomatic answer like Messerschmitts said. If an interviewer pressed the point, I think I'd give the name of a program or two and ask politely, "Can I ask why you're asking?" This gives the interviewer the opportunity to explain what they're looking for and I could give them what they want.

If I got the impression that an interviewer was tuning out after hearing the diplomatic answer and didn't bother with a follow-up question, that would be a red flag for me.

The straight answer to the question "Where else are you applying?" is "Why do you want to know?" but I'm not sure how well that would be received. It's definitely a simple question, but folks are reluctant to give a straight answer for the same reason that they're reluctant to give a straight answer to the simple question of whether or not we plan to have kids: from the applicant's seat, it's hard to know if the question is innocuous or not.

I'd hope that interviewers can understand candidates reluctance to answer that question. But hearing atsai3 and OPD's opinions and feedback is extremely helpful, particularly for those of us who came to medicine from other fields, in which we are careful not to speak about other hiring prospects with a potential employer. Since medicine is made up predominantly of folks whose professional experience is limited to the medical field, I think a lot of the culture, courtesies, and politics go unspoken and are assumed to be known.


I agree completely. And, thanks to OPD and atsai3 for their insight into this perplexing issue.

Really, though, the interview shouldnt be a time for the faculty to do QA. Not only is the interview for resident selection, but the applicant pool has already selected the program as having attributes that they want in their program. It may be more effective to stand outside the program down the street and ask the applicants why they didnt apply over by you.

Particularly with this question, on the one hand the faculty is assuming that the applicant doesn't know enough about their program, and that they can point out how they offer something that the applicant seeks. On the other hand, they assume that they applicant knows the other program in some detail and has chosen them for having some particular features. Not only does this sound illogical, but isn't a red flag about the applicant that they don't know details about your program, and they ask you basic things that are answered on the program website? If I missed anything in my own research into the program, it was pointed out to me in the pre-interview dinner or in the welcome speech from the PD. Thus far, only one time have I learned something from an interviewer that I didnt already know, which sold me more on the program. Although the thought may be well intentioned, I don't think there's anything that the applicant can gain from this question.

As far as letting the faculty know what we are looking for in a program... just ask me what I am looking for in a program. This is more straightforward, and will receive a straightforward answer.

Just like faculty is trained to interview, so are applicants. Just as faculty know how to identify red flags in an applicant, so do applicants know to identify red flags in programs.

E.g. being asked a medical question on the interview is a red flag suggesting that the program expects residents to arrive with a large fund of knowledge, and teach themselves - that the program is more concerned with running the clinical service than it is with teaching the residents.

And so, being asked what other programs I am interviewing at is a significant red flag for gamesmanship and creative rank ordering. If a program thinks I am interviewing at more competitive programs than they, they assume that they are a safety program for me, and rank me low. If the program is going to play games at the interview, what will they do if I'm a resident there?

By the by, another red flag for faculty is an applicant who has no questions to ask them at the end of the interview. Perhaps it means that the applicant really isn't interested in the program, or doesn't have any specific goals themselves? But what am I to think when the interviewer does not know the answer to my simple questions???

Anyhow, its nice to have some light shed on this topic. My own feeling on it is that nothing good can come of this question - only information which can hurt the applicant, not help them.
 
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I agree completely. And, thanks to OPD and atsai3 for their insight into this perplexing issue.

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As far as letting the faculty know what we are looking for in a program... just ask me what I am looking for in a program. This is more straightforward, and will receive a straightforward answer.

(1) Just like faculty is trained to interview, so are applicants. Just as faculty know how to identify red flags in an applicant, so do applicants know to identify red flags in programs.

E.g. being asked a medical question on the interview is a red flag suggesting that the program expects residents to arrive with a large fund of knowledge, and teach themselves - that the program is more concerned with running the clinical service than it is with teaching the residents.

And so, (2) being asked what other programs I am interviewing at is a significant red flag for gamesmanship and creative rank ordering. If a program thinks I am interviewing at more competitive programs than they, they assume that they are a safety program for me, and rank me low. If the program is going to play games at the interview, what will they do if I'm a resident there?

By the by, another red flag for faculty is an applicant who has no questions to ask them at the end of the interview. Perhaps it means that the applicant really isn't interested in the program, or doesn't have any specific goals themselves? (3) But what am I to think when the interviewer does not know the answer to my simple questions???

Anyhow, its nice to have some light shed on this topic. My own feeling on it is that nothing good can come of this question - only information which can hurt the applicant, not help them.

1) LOL! "Trained to interview"? You're thinking WAY too much... Our program coordinator is struggling every week to find people with a couple of 20 minute slots in their full-time clinical schedules to try to get to know the swarms of applicants that are coming in, and to HOPEFULLY make a good impression. We are just regular Joe docs ("Joe the Psychiatrist"?) who like our program and want to get some good residents. We missed out on the FBI counter-intelligence classes that you seem to think we've had where we interpret the specific sweat pattern evoked by our questions and correlate it with board pass rates...

2) It is complete mythology that we rank residents by how much they seem to like us vs. another program. You should rank programs in the order you would want to attend them. We rank applicants in the order we would like to have them.

3) That we don't know everything? I don't. I don't have at my fingertips our Board pass rate for the last five years--- but I know that the residents I've known well have passed. I don't know the complete didactic schedule, or much about how rotations are assigned, or too much about specifics of the call schedule--- but I do know about the didactics I teach, the rotations I supervise, and the good and bad of doing call on our units.

What am I to think when the applicant doesn't have any specific questions? That they're tired of asking the same thing over and over? That they have had their questions answered to their satisfaction? Or maybe they really aren't that interested in us--but anyway, I thank them for taking the time to check us out, and wish them good luck for Match Day all the same.
 
If a program thinks I am interviewing at more competitive programs than they, they assume that they are a safety program for me, and rank me low.

Maybe. But honestly, we can look at your application and guess what other level of programs you could be applying to. At most programs, I'd be surprised if you'd get dropped on the rank list based on that.

I think the moral of this thread is that every ridiculous thing you could imagine probably can happen somewhere, but none of those ridiculous things probably happen very often. And I bet it will be fairly obvious from your day whether the program is the sort of place where ridiculous things happen.

The nice thing about being a resident (and having friends at lots of programs) is that you get the sense that things are more straightforward than you imagined.

Oh, but the exceptions.
 
1) LOL! "Trained to interview"? You're thinking WAY too much... Our program coordinator is struggling every week to find people with a couple of 20 minute slots in their full-time clinical schedules to try to get to know the swarms of applicants that are coming in, and to HOPEFULLY make a good impression. We are just regular Joe docs ("Joe the Psychiatrist"?) who like our program and want to get some good residents. We missed out on the FBI counter-intelligence classes that you seem to think we've had where we interpret the specific sweat pattern evoked by our questions and correlate it with board pass rates...

2) It is complete mythology that we rank residents by how much they seem to like us vs. another program. You should rank programs in the order you would want to attend them. We rank applicants in the order we would like to have them.

3) That we don't know everything? I don't. I don't have at my fingertips our Board pass rate for the last five years--- but I know that the residents I've known well have passed. I don't know the complete didactic schedule, or much about how rotations are assigned, or too much about specifics of the call schedule--- but I do know about the didactics I teach, the rotations I supervise, and the good and bad of doing call on our units.

What am I to think when the applicant doesn't have any specific questions? That they're tired of asking the same thing over and over? That they have had their questions answered to their satisfaction? Or maybe they really aren't that interested in us--but anyway, I thank them for taking the time to check us out, and wish them good luck for Match Day all the same.

Well, I hope youre right.

I suspect that you aren't giving yourself enough credit. But true, maybe your ability to determine fitness in an interview is just based on experience in other arenas......and the Match prep books Ive been reading are just giving me general tips on how to sound interesting to most people most of the time, rather than scientifically cracking your interview technique.

Though I'll bet that conferences for program directors have seminars on interrogation techniques.

I've actually never realized that its tough for PCs to get interviewers lined up. I assumed that the faculty in the program would be itching to have a say in who gets chosen.

But in any event. Thanks for the insight. It certainly does put a different spin on interviewing.
 
and the Match prep books Ive been reading are just giving me general tips on how to sound interesting to most people most of the time, rather than scientifically cracking your interview technique.
Just be yourself. Seriously. The hardest thing to fake is authenticity and the best impression you can make in an interview is to leave the evaluator with the feeling that they got to see the real you. Don't try to sound interesting, just try to sound like you.
Though I'll bet that conferences for program directors have seminars on interrogation techniques.
You might be overthinking how much training is involved. At most schools I'm familiar with, the training amounts to a powerpoint slideshow that amounts to "how to avoid getting us sued."

I think one of the reasons you get so many people relating bad stories from the interview trail is that you sometimes have folks interviewing who probably shouldn't.
 
For me, the least of my worries is being asked "where else have you interviewed" I just look them in the eye with a smile and tell them where else. Every place I have interviewed has asked me this. I just parlay that into the things i appreciate about their program without mentioning the other programs. I have yet to recieve any negative feedback from faculty or interviewers.

On the other hand I have been asked: are you married? do you have kids? are you gay? (that one made me laugh...I don't judge gay people...I am just pretty far from it i.e. my sdn handle) What religion are you?

I honestly answer every question with the mindset of the great scholar Van Zant "It's better to be hated for who you are, than loved for who you are not"
 
On the other hand I have been asked: are you married? do you have kids? are you gay? (that one made me laugh...I don't judge gay people...I am just pretty far from it i.e. my sdn handle) What religion are you?
The "how to avoid getting us sued" powerpoint must be optional....
I honestly answer every question with the mindset of the great scholar Van Zant "It's better to be hated for who you are, than loved for who you are not"
Good policy.
 
For me, the least of my worries is being asked "where else have you interviewed" I just look them in the eye with a smile and tell them where else. Every place I have interviewed has asked me this. I just parlay that into the things i appreciate about their program without mentioning the other programs. I have yet to recieve any negative feedback from faculty or interviewers.

On the other hand I have been asked: are you married? do you have kids? are you gay? (that one made me laugh...I don't judge gay people...I am just pretty far from it i.e. my sdn handle) What religion are you?

I honestly answer every question with the mindset of the great scholar Van Zant "It's better to be hated for who you are, than loved for who you are not"

I don't know, countryboy-- I saw that movie about those cowboys on Brokeback Mt...so you might not want to count on your username for that...
😉 :laugh:
 
I don't know, countryboy-- I saw that movie about those cowboys on Brokeback Mt...so you might not want to count on your username for that...
😉 :laugh:


Yeah, I sat there scratching my head about that for a minute. :eyebrow: Who knows what you countryboys do out there...
 
ha ha ha weird things happen in the barn😱

but I aint doin nuttin with no dude

gotta love rural reasoning on sexual deviance:laugh:
 
From the perspective of an interviewer, I am trying to think of questions that give me insight into the applicant, to see how he or she thinks on his or her feet, to see how he or she might fit in with our residents and faculty, and to look for problems and stardom. I'm also trying to dig up something to discuss for 30-45" that will be mutually entertaining.

I sometimes ask the "program question" because I want to see if the person have a coherent application strategy. In addition, if the applicant has visited some places not on the typical list, I'm genuinely curious what's going on there.

If an applicant responds to any of my questions with narrowed eyes and a "why do you ask," I'll politely answer and see what they say. If they ask it twice and/or seem paranoid and obviously withholding, there's almost 100% certainty that I'll block their application at our meeting. When most applicants are perfectly fine, who needs a paranoid resident?

Frankly, I'd be interested in asking all sorts of questions that I don't ask. They include:
do you serially cheat on your spouse?
do you do hard drugs?
are you an alcoholic?
do you lie, cheat, steal?
are you lazy?
did you make honors in medicine by sleeping with an attending?
are you a malingerer?
do you have narcissistic personality disorder?
does your motor run efficiently?
are you a happy person, one with whom I'd like to share a call night?
will you do your paperwork?
do you whine?
do your friends love you?
are you a hollow shell of a person who is seeking meaning from psychiatry?
do you hate medicine and psychiatry is a fallback?
are you intensely curious about people?
are you a standup person?
are you honest?
will you be kind to the people who seek your care?
will you exploit the transference?
will you contribute to the scientific literature if it means giving up many of your nights and weekends?
do you have the ability to grow?
are you someone I'd like to teach?
are you someone who will teach me?

And then, after getting honest answers, I'd like to discuss them since all can be both good and bad (eg, everyone has lied, cheated, and stolen--the discussion would be the interesting part; similarly, if everyone loves the applicant, either the applicant lacks self awareness or is oddly lovable. Lots of effective psychiatrists are alcoholics, but does the applicant have insight and an ability to control it?).

I want to see emotional and cognitive flexibility as well as high levels of motivation, enthusiasm, and intelligence, and it's tough to assess in a few minutes. Your giving some sort of weird, inscrutable, wary answer is helpful only in removing you from our top cluster of applicants...
 
ha ha ha weird things happen in the barn😱

but I aint doin nuttin with no dude

gotta love rural reasoning on sexual deviance:laugh:

I think you'd be in much more danger of being gonged if you mention such thoughts about homosexuality than if you mention which programs are also on your rank list.
 
I think you'd be in much more danger of being gonged if you mention such thoughts about homosexuality than if you mention which programs are also on your rank list.


What do you mean "such thoughts"?

I was actually making fun of myself, not homosexuals.
 
What do you mean "such thoughts"?
I took it to mean you were making fun of any small mindedness about sexual orientation and views of homosexuality as "sexual deviance."

But sarcasm doesn't come across well on these boards, so I can see cleareyedguy's confusion...
 
...Frankly, I'd be interested in asking all sorts of questions that I don't ask. They include:
do you serially cheat on your spouse?
do you do hard drugs?
are you an alcoholic?
do you lie, cheat, steal?
are you lazy?
did you make honors in medicine by sleeping with an attending?
are you a malingerer?
do you have narcissistic personality disorder?
does your motor run efficiently?
are you a happy person, one with whom I'd like to share a call night?
will you do your paperwork?
do you whine?
do your friends love you?
are you a hollow shell of a person who is seeking meaning from psychiatry?
do you hate medicine and psychiatry is a fallback?
are you intensely curious about people?
are you a standup person?
are you honest?
will you be kind to the people who seek your care?
will you exploit the transference?
will you contribute to the scientific literature if it means giving up many of your nights and weekends?
do you have the ability to grow?
are you someone I'd like to teach?
are you someone who will teach me?
...

This would be great as a Facebook quiz!

Also, I think I am going to change my user name to "HollowShellOfPersonSeekingMeaningFromPsychDoc". Has a nice ring to it!
😀
 
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Frankly, I'd be interested in asking all sorts of questions that I don't ask. They include:
....
are you lazy?
did you make honors in medicine by sleeping with an attending?
are you a malingerer?
do you have narcissistic personality disorder?
does your motor run efficiently?
are you a happy person, one with whom I'd like to share a call night?
...


And btw, I don't recommend asking those two questions too closely together in the interview...😉
 
did you make honors in medicine by sleeping with an attending?

I had two close friends who hated each other because they were on the same team on medicine, and the guy swears up and down that the girl slept with their senior resident that month (with lots of identifying evidence I won't post). She denies it up and down. I would believe either one of them about pretty much anything, so I never could parse what could have really happened.

She's now a gen surg resident at a pretty prestigious Northeast hospital, so whatever she did or didn't do was probably worth it. 😉
 
I had two close friends who hated each other because they were on the same team on medicine, and the guy swears up and down that the girl slept with their senior resident that month (with lots of identifying evidence I won't post). She denies it up and down. I would believe either one of them about pretty much anything, so I never could parse what could have really happened.

She's now a gen surg resident at a pretty prestigious Northeast hospital, so whatever she did or didn't do was probably worth it. 😉

Not that I'd advocate sleeping with senior residents, but couldn't it be possible that a med student and a resident had sex just because, y'know, they were hot for each other? And that it didn't effect her evaluation or match result?
 
Not that I'd advocate sleeping with senior residents, but couldn't it be possible that a med student and a resident had sex just because, y'know, they were hot for each other? And that it didn't effect her evaluation or match result?

Nope. Med students are smart. There's always a secondary gain.
 
Not that I'd advocate sleeping with senior residents, but couldn't it be possible that a med student and a resident had sex just because, y'know, they were hot for each other? And that it didn't effect her evaluation or match result?

Oh, I'm sure if they slept together that it was because they just wanted to have sex with each other. But there's no way it DIDN'T effect her evaluation. And my male friend's complaint was that she was shown significant favortism throughout the rotation.
 
I had two close friends who hated each other because they were on the same team on medicine, and the guy swears up and down that the girl slept with their senior resident that month (with lots of identifying evidence I won't post). She denies it up and down. I would believe either one of them about pretty much anything, so I never could parse what could have really happened.

She's now a gen surg resident at a pretty prestigious Northeast hospital, so whatever she did or didn't do was probably worth it. 😉

I wouldn't consider obtaining a surgery residency a reward for sexual favors. It seems like you'd be setting yourself up to be screwed twice. 😕 IMHO
 
Why would anyone would have difficulty responding to the "what other programs" interview question? It's easily anticipated and clearly innocuous. You've already gone to the trouble of applying to the program and traveling to the interview...you obviously have some level of interest in being there.

I did a lot of interviewing in a past life for non-physician positions and I'd immediately write-off an applicant that seemed the slightest bit evasive about such a simple question. The applicant obviously either has something to hide or has difficulty communicating. In either case...not someone I want working for me.

I think some candidates tend to over-analyze simple questions like this one to the point that they really start to hurt their chances of being taken seriously. If you can verbalize your interest in the interviewer's program, no interviewer with a clue is going to hold against you the other programs to which you applied.

Incidentally, I worked in medical research and in sales and my spouse has worked in finance, accounting, and general management and we have both been asked in several interviews what other employers we were considering. We have both always answered this question honestly and directly and have no reason to suspect that our answers were held against us. In fact, I have only interviewed for one position in my entire life that was not followed with a job offer.

Note: In reading over my post, I realize it sounds a bit harsh. I assure you that is not my intention, but I don't have time to re-write it with a lighter tone right now...sorry 😀
 
Why would anyone would have difficulty responding to the "what other programs" interview question? It's easily anticipated and clearly innocuous. You've already gone to the trouble of applying to the program and traveling to the interview...you obviously have some level of interest in being there.

I did a lot of interviewing in a past life for non-physician positions and I'd immediately write-off an applicant that seemed the slightest bit evasive about such a simple question. The applicant obviously either has something to hide or has difficulty communicating. In either case...not someone I want working for me.

I think some candidates tend to over-analyze simple questions like this one to the point that they really start to hurt their chances of being taken seriously. If you can verbalize your interest in the interviewer's program, no interviewer with a clue is going to hold against you the other programs to which you applied.

Incidentally, I worked in medical research and in sales and my spouse has worked in finance, accounting, and general management and we have both been asked in several interviews what other employers we were considering. We have both always answered this question honestly and directly and have no reason to suspect that our answers were held against us. In fact, I have only interviewed for one position in my entire life that was not followed with a job offer.

Note: In reading over my post, I realize it sounds a bit harsh. I assure you that is not my intention, but I don't have time to re-write it with a lighter tone right now...sorry 😀

Good advice Omahadoc -- thanks for the post.

-AT.
 
Why would anyone would have difficulty responding to the "what other programs" interview question? It's easily anticipated and clearly innocuous. You've already gone to the trouble of applying to the program and traveling to the interview...you obviously have some level of interest in being there.

I did a lot of interviewing in a past life for non-physician positions and I'd immediately write-off an applicant that seemed the slightest bit evasive about such a simple question. The applicant obviously either has something to hide or has difficulty communicating. In either case...not someone I want working for me.

I think some candidates tend to over-analyze simple questions like this one to the point that they really start to hurt their chances of being taken seriously. If you can verbalize your interest in the interviewer's program, no interviewer with a clue is going to hold against you the other programs to which you applied.

Incidentally, I worked in medical research and in sales and my spouse has worked in finance, accounting, and general management and we have both been asked in several interviews what other employers we were considering. We have both always answered this question honestly and directly and have no reason to suspect that our answers were held against us. In fact, I have only interviewed for one position in my entire life that was not followed with a job offer.

Note: In reading over my post, I realize it sounds a bit harsh. I assure you that is not my intention, but I don't have time to re-write it with a lighter tone right now...sorry 😀

while I appreciate the advice, I'm taking it with a grain or two of salt. Maybe you're completely right in the Psych circles. But I've opted to apply for IM, where more than once its been said that this is not an innocent question. Also, looking back on my interviews, the same programs which asked this question had asked other shady questions (if I'm married, etc). But being that Im applying for IM, and this is a psych forum....
 
I think that as long as you had some sort of rationale when picking programs to apply to then answering the question probably works to your advantage - it can help you explain what you're looking for in a program (and why the program you're interviewing at fits that).
 
I think that as long as you had some sort of rationale when picking programs to apply to then answering the question probably works to your advantage - it can help you explain what you're looking for in a program (and why the program you're interviewing at fits that).


Thats exactly what I did today. Hope it works 🙂
 
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