Where should I look to find the cost of drugs?

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Omegadramon

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as in the cost in $$$?

I'm just a lowly pre-pharm, but I've been wondering how much the IV drugs cost in hospitals. I've been volunteering at a hospital pharmacy and the only person who deals with costs is the Director of Pharmacy and the lady in charge of orders. I try to limit my questions to the pharmacist about drug usage and stuff, so I'm trying to find this answer on my own. I've been browsing around some manufacturers websites but I can't seem to find something related to invoices or whatnot.

The only thing google turned up is that usage of Zypak is more cost effective that Vancomycin.:laugh:
 
Heh, wouldn't everyone want to know what somebody pays for one drug or another. 😀 Ask for the Red Book - it has the AWC prices, which no one pays, but which are used as a reference in government reimbursement. 🙂
 
Also keep in mind that in an institutional setting, there are added costs such as:
IV room fee (gotta pay the techs/rphs/maintenance of a sterile enviroment)
IV tubing...that's where they get ya...they give you the infusion pumps and make the money on the one time disposable use tubing...\

Oh yeah, and most hospitals will be different due to buying power (chain of hospitals vs 1000 bed academic med center vs 150 bed community hospital), distributor (cardinal vs mckesson vs other resellers), and deals with pharmaceutical companies.

If you just want to know about abx costs get a sanford guide or consult the hopkins abx guide...both have AWC i think
 
also have to figure in rebates and what not that suppliers give a hosp to put a drug on formulary.
 
as in the cost in $$$?

I'm just a lowly pre-pharm, but I've been wondering how much the IV drugs cost in hospitals. I've been volunteering at a hospital pharmacy and the only person who deals with costs is the Director of Pharmacy and the lady in charge of orders. I try to limit my questions to the pharmacist about drug usage and stuff, so I'm trying to find this answer on my own. I've been browsing around some manufacturers websites but I can't seem to find something related to invoices or whatnot.

The only thing google turned up is that usage of Zypak is more cost effective that Vancomycin.:laugh:


Omega,

It's a great question. And no Zyvox is not more cost effective than Vancomycin.. only a Pfizer rep and people paid by Pfizer will say such a nonsense.

Isn't it too bad that the rest of pharmacy department isn't too preoccupied with cost of drugs? But I bet they all know what they paid for a gallon of gas yesterday... right?

But here goes.

All hospitals belong to a GPO (group purchasing organization) who charges manufacturers 3% of everything you buy under the contract. So if you pay $100 for a drug, the manufacturer pays your GPO $3. What a deal for the GPO, eh? I used to work for one. Premiere, Novation, Broadlane, HPG-PACT now Consorta, UHC, MedAssets, AmerinNet... are all GPOs.. And they all have differenct pricing for every item. So you may want to ask your director which GPO the hospital belongs to.

Now, there are 3 major wholesalers. Cardinal, AmerisourceBergen, and McKesson. They all have different prices for the same item. Then, depends on your hospitals payment term, the rebate amount can vary. Sooner you pay, larger the rebate. Prepay and get the best rebate. usually up to 3%. 3% of $50,000,000 is a lot of money. So ask your director which wholesaler the hospital uses.

Now, purchase of IV fluids and IV tubings usually isn't done through your wholesaler. There are 3 major IV vendors: Baxter, Hospira (Abbott) and B.Braun. And usually, these are shipped 2 to 3 times a week from their distribution center. And each company has different level of pricing depending on the volume and contract. A sharp DOP will assure that the same contract pricing is also loaded on their drug wholesalers system so if hospital runs out of certain IVs, they can order it through the wholesalers instead of direct purchase from IV vendors. Selection of IV vendor is usually influenced by nursing because IV pumps will dictate which IV your hospital will use.

Then, each drug manufacturer will make individual incentive contract with the hospital based on marketshare and it's usually tierd. So, larger the marketshare, larger the rebate.

I oversee a few hospital pharmacy operations so I know exactly what they pay for each item. And I keep track of it. And I can tell you most of your pharmacy directors don't really keep a keen interest on day to day purchase... but they should be.

I can give you a ball park pricing of what a typical hospital pays for drugs if you ask. But the best person to ask is your purchaser.

It's not everyday a prepharm student is interested in pricing of drugs. This is great. I wish you luck and if pharmacoeconomics and management is what you're interested in, PM me and stay in touch.
 
At the hospital I volunteered at the order entry/verification pharmacists had access to pricing info. Every time we'd get a script for something obscure one of them would look it up and we'd all cringe at the cost. Some drugs (non CII) were so expensive that we would hand deliver them rather than take a chance with the tube system.
 
Thanks for the great response, Epic. I really appreciate such a detailed answer.

I'll be sure to ask about GPOs and what considerations are made for a hospital to join one rather than another. I'll ask about the wholesalers (I'm assuming the hospital does business with Cardinal since they have pyxis) and how hospitals go about choosing them and maintaining a good relationship with them (by way of keeping up with orders, assurances that hospital is getting the most competitive prices).

Now that you mention it, the IVs we use come from Baxter. Seems like they're receiving a shipment of fluids every day (well, to be specific, everyday that I volunteer). The huge turnover at the hospital amazes me since the only other business I worked for was my old man's small shop:meanie: (Then again, the comparison is unfair since this is a 500 bed hospital ). Working for my pops puts me at a mindset of always questioning am I getting a bang for my buck, so that's what sparked this topic.
 
Thanks for the great response, Epic. I really appreciate such a detailed answer.

I'll be sure to ask about GPOs and what considerations are made for a hospital to join one rather than another. I'll ask about the wholesalers (I'm assuming the hospital does business with Cardinal since they have pyxis) and how hospitals go about choosing them and maintaining a good relationship with them (by way of keeping up with orders, assurances that hospital is getting the most competitive prices).

Now that you mention it, the IVs we use come from Baxter. Seems like they're receiving a shipment of fluids every day (well, to be specific, everyday that I volunteer). The huge turnover at the hospital amazes me since the only other business I worked for was my old man's small shop:meanie: (Then again, the comparison is unfair since this is a 500 bed hospital ). Working for my pops puts me at a mindset of always questioning am I getting a bang for my buck, so that's what sparked this topic.

Pharmacy management may be your calling in life...
 
Dude...why do you get to go FF, and I shouldn't!?! I'm picky about the LCD screen though...not sure I'd like the 5D.

I get to go to FF because I already have 1.6X. So they'll go hand in hand.
And the LCD is the least of my worries in picking a camera. You don't get a live view anyways...except you do in 40D...but the review says using the live view on LCD is worthless.
 
I get to go to FF because I already have 1.6X. So they'll go hand in hand.
And the LCD is the least of my worries in picking a camera. You don't get a live view anyways...except you do in 40D...but the review says using the live view on LCD is worthless.

Well, I meant live. But why would it be worthless? Can I see what you're reading....Wouldn't it help when you're manually focusing?
 
Well, I meant live. But why would it be worthless? Can I see what you're reading....Wouldn't it help when you're manually focusing?

I don't think I'll trust the 2.5 to 3 inch LCD screen when I'm manually focusing. I would much rather use the viewfinder.

The issue with the Live View is the brigthness of the LCD during daytime outdoors. It won't be as visible as you would like.
 
I don't think I'll trust the 2.5 to 3 inch LCD screen when I'm manually focusing. I would much rather use the viewfinder.

The issue with the Live View is the brigthness of the LCD during daytime outdoors. It won't be as visible as you would like.


Wouldn't it let you zoom in though? And then manually focus? I think that would be kinda cool...especially at night.
 
Wouldn't it let you zoom in though? And then manually focus? I think that would be kinda cool...especially at night.

not sure if the live view zooms.... I guess it could. Then if you zoom to focus, you will lose the sense of picture. It would be showing digital zoom not the optical zoom where turning of the barrell is required to zoom. Remember, this is not a point and shoot.

Still, 40D with live view won't hurt you. It's an extra feature you could use.

The reason I want 5D is to print large pictures. basically I can get the 1.6 effect out of 5D by cropping the picture.. But you can't take the 1.6X and make the picture into FF...
 
I don't think you can selectively zoom the LCD without zooming the lens.
But aren't you a Nikon fan? Nikon doesn't have "white" lenses..

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082010canoneos40d.asp

LCD with Live View mode

The Live View mode simplifies shooting from awkward angles such as ground-level macro or mounted tripod shots. The 3.0” LCD displays a real-time image in Live View mode, including a selectable grid overlay and a live histogram that simulates image exposure. The AF-ON button can be configured to flip the camera mirror momentarily and engage auto focusing. For the studio environment, remote Live View lets the photographer compose, adjust settings and capture the shot from a PC using the supplied EOS utility software.
 
not sure if the live view zooms.... I guess it could. Then if you zoom to focus, you will lose the sense of picture. It would be showing digital zoom not the optical zoom where turning of the barrell is required to zoom. Remember, this is not a point and shoot.

Still, 40D with live view won't hurt you. It's an extra feature you could use.

The reason I want 5D is to print large pictures. basically I can get the 1.6 effect out of 5D by cropping the picture.. But you can't take the 1.6X and make the picture into FF...

Well, yeah...that's why I want the larger sensor too. I'd guess FF is going to become more common though...and I'm not sure I want to be stuck with the typical 1.6 if I'm not even sure I want it now...
 
I don't think you can selectively zoom the LCD without zooming the lens.
But aren't you a Nikon fan? Nikon doesn't have "white" lenses..

Hmmm...yeah, then it would be kinda pointless. But how'd they build it...didn't they put in 2 different sensors? I'd think that would allow you to selectively zoom.

Nothing wrong with Nikon's...but if I'm going DSLR, I want Canon. 😉

And it's time to take this to one of your Swan/Colorado threads...we've officially thread-jacked Omegadramon's pricing question.
 
Well, yeah...that's why I want the larger sensor too. I'd guess FF is going to become more common though...and I'm not sure I want to be stuck with the typical 1.6 if I'm not even sure I want it now...

mmmm....I won't say FF is going to become more common. Right now it's really designed for professional and semi pro photography. Canon only makes 2 FF... and Nikon makes 1 or 2? And many new lenses are designed for 1.6X.
 
This topic took an interesting turn:laugh:. I don't know much about photography, but art aficionado's I know love Cannon's line of products.

Thanks for the book recommendation. Next time I get an amazon gift card, I'll be sure to use it on that.

Pharmacy management seems very interesting. Gosh, I'm filled to the brim of questions I want to ask our purchaser next time I see her. Thanks again, Epic.
 
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