Where to get Residency Math Lists?

[MCsoundt]

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Is there any centralized website where they have every school's residency match lists? Or do I just need to go to every school's website and get it from there? It would really help if they were just all published to one website 🙄 thx

Edit: UGH, excuse the typo in the thread title -___-

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Is there any centralized website where they have every school's residency match lists? Or do I just need to go to every school's website and get it from there? It would really help if they were just all published to one website 🙄 thx

Edit: UGH, excuse the typo in the thread title -___-

go to every schools website for a list..
however a match list's doesn't mean a school is good..
this is because people match into what they want, you could have all of Harvard's medical school looking for primary care residences

 

[MilkmanAl]

That and most people don't know how to interpret a match list. It's fairly useless information for pre-meds to have.

 

[Catalystik]

There's an old SDN thread that aggregates the results of many, but not all med school program's most recent matches.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

That and most people don't know how to interpret a match list. It's fairly useless information for pre-meds to have.

yup haha..
it took me 3 months to realize what pgy means

 

[MCsoundt]

go to every schools website for a list..
however a match list's doesn't mean a school is good..
this is because people match into what they want, you could have all of Harvard's medical school looking for primary care residences

ack, really? that's going to get really tedious... hmm maybe there could be a thread here on sdn with links to all the match lists haha

and yes, I do realize that the residency match strength of a school isn't a definitive indicator of the strength of a school itself, but it's still info I'm interested in when making my decision, and I do think it says SOMETHING about a school's strength. anyway, most match lists will tell you the specialties that their students matched into.

 

[MCsoundt]

There's an old SDN thread that aggregates the results of many, but not all med school program's most recent matches.

yikes, you posted that just as I asked for it in my post! anyone have a link? I am bad with the search thing on SDN (anyone else getting a "no results" page when you know FOR SURE that there are results?? lol)

 

[Catalystik]

The Search function is rarely my friend, but this time it popped right up for me.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=611840&highlight=match+list

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

ack, really? that's going to get really tedious... hmm maybe there could be a thread here on sdn with links to all the match lists haha

and yes, I do realize that the residency match strength of a school isn't a definitive indicator of the strength of a school itself, but it's still info I'm interested in when making my decision, and I do think it says SOMETHING about a school's strength. anyway, most match lists will tell you the specialties that their students matched into.

i think you should look at the schools first choice match rate..
like for example if a school has a 100% first choice match rate thats the school you want to go to..

 

[MilkmanAl]

I do think it says SOMETHING about a school's strength.

Sure, but do you know how to figure out what it says? If you saw someone matching into neurosurgery at UAMS, would you think "Oh, Neurosurgery!...but it's in Arkansas. Meh." or "Oh, Neurosurgery.' or "Wow, neurosurgery at UAMS!"? Yeah, it's easy when the list is full of people going to Harvard hospitals or Hopkins, but what about the other "sleeper" schools that are really highly ranked in certain specialties? It's kind of fun to browse the lists, I guess, but I would put absolutely zero stock in them when choosing a school.

 

[MCsoundt]

i think you should look at the schools first choice match rate..
like for example if a school has a 100% first choice match rate thats the school you want to go to..

Completely true... do schools actually publish this stat? I've only seen stats for getting into top 3 choices

Sure, but do you know how to figure out what it says? If you saw someone matching into neurosurgery at UAMS, would you think "Oh, Neurosurgery!...but it's in Arkansas. Meh." or "Oh, Neurosurgery.' or "Wow, neurosurgery at UAMS!"? Yeah, it's easy when the list is full of people going to Harvard hospitals or Hopkins, but what about the other "sleeper" schools that are really highly ranked in certain specialties? It's kind of fun to browse the lists, I guess, but I would put absolutely zero stock in them when choosing a school.

haha I definitely understand what you're saying, and trust me- I know how easy it is to misinterpret these match lists. But I do know that several so-called "sleeper" schools are extremely strong in certain specialties, and I know that if you're investigative enough, you can figure out which schools those are. So, I feel like I can really use these lists as an advantageous tool. That being said, I think it's a little extreme to put ZERO stock in them when choosing a school, as med school is simply a vehicle for getting to the next destination (residency), and if we're being frank here, everyone wants to get into their top choice of residency. So, I do think that these lists are something that people should take a look at when making their decision, granted they are looking at them correctly.

 

[SouthernSurgeon]

Completely true... do schools actually publish this stat? I've only seen stats for getting into top 3 choices

No they do not publish this, and in fact they have been discouraged for years by the AAMC from publishing "top 3 match" percentages.

The reason for this is that, basically, if there is a metric out there that will be used to judge a school's quality, then the school will do anything in their power to improve that metric.

In the case of the "top 3 match" statistic, there were some schools that would allegedly encourage students not to "reach" too much with their applications and to put "safety" schools higher up on their list. This benefited the applicant not at all, but helped the schools improve their % of students getting one of their top 3 choices.

 

[montessori2md]

The only reason you should care about match lists is if you KNOW where you want to go for residency and the specialty.

If that is the case, you DON'T need the SOM match list. What you need to do is go to the residency website and read about their current interns and residents. Their SOMs are nearly always listed. The SOM you see turning up repeatedly would have an advantage for you.

Other match data:
Schools tend to match better geographically (NE more likely to match NE, SW more likely to match SW) and students tend to stay in place a lot (a lot of GWU students end up being GWU residents, especially in less competitive specialties like IM). So if you want to end up in a certain region, going there for med school can help.
Schools will sometimes give out some match stats. But it doesn't MEAN ANYTHING if you don't know which specialty you want, b/c general stats don't reveal a schools departmental strengths. Most schools will also guide students to select programs they have had good track records with in the past, so there is a certain lack of value to match stats, because students may not even apply for programs if their school doesn't think they'll get an interview.
If you don't know the specialty, you cannot cherry pick a school. You can, however, overcome any departmental weaknesses on your own by taking on research and/or doing away rotations w/ strong departments in your desired area prior to doing an AI at your program of choice.

A better strategy would be to research faculty at the schools you wish to apply to, looking for someone you wish to work with....

 

[45408]

i think you should look at the schools first choice match rate..
like for example if a school has a 100% first choice match rate thats the school you want to go to..

It could easily be deceiving. All the budding dermatologists might meet with their advisers who tell them "You'd never match in derm. Apply for medicine instead." They all apply for IM and match. Bam, 100%.