Which CA med schools are "easier" to get into for an OOS?

[Rafa]

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I know none of them are easy. But which ones would OOS'rs have the best chances of not being immediately laughed at by CA med adcoms?

 

[thedelicatessen]

There's practically no chance of getting into a UC med school if you're not a resident. There are sooooo many CA people who want to go to med school. I think the private schools are a much better shot for OOS.

 

[neurotik]

according to msar, uc irvine and uc davis accepted 1 oos student between them.

 

[notdeadyet]

I know none of them are easy. But which ones would OOS'rs have the best chances of not being immediately laughed at by CA med adcoms?

The private schools. You'll have the best shot at Loma Linda and USC. Both will be hard to get in to, but easier than the UCs. Stanford may be easier as well...

 

[drmota]

um...UC Irvine and USC definitely. maybe loma linda, i wouldn't know though cuz i don't consider it a legitimate med school. whoever voted for stanford is an idiot. they are as selective as UCSF.
-mota

 

[bigred001]

maybe loma linda, i wouldn't know though cuz i don't consider it a legitimate med school.
-mota

Why? 😕
I don't know anything about the school, but I'm curious now.

 

[funshine]

I know none of them are easy. But which ones would OOS'rs have the best chances of not being immediately laughed at by CA med adcoms?

If you have stellar stats, I'd say go for UCSF and Stanford, b/c they're looking for superstar applicants from all over, not just Cali. I know some excellent OOS applicants who were rejected right off the bat from lesser UCs, but got interviews at UCSF and Stanford. good luck!

 

[ChocolateKiss]

It all depends on your stats. UCLA and UCSF are the only UCs that take a lot of out of staters, but they are both very selective in general, so you need high stats. Stanford doesn't give preference to in staters, but is even more selective than SF or LA. Don't know anything about Loma Linda, but if your stats are lower, it's probably your best bet.

 

[Centinel]

If you have stellar stats, I'd say go for UCSF and Stanford, b/c they're looking for superstar applicants from all over, not just Cali. I know some excellent OOS applicants who were rejected right off the bat from lesser UCs, but got interviews at UCSF and Stanford. good luck!

Actually, UCSF has a (legislated) pro-California bias. Stanford, being private, is apt to take many out of staters. The same is true for USC and, to a lesser extent (based on the numbers) UCLA.

 

[rcmustang65]

Mota, or Dr. if you prefer the title.....why don't YOU consider LLU a 'legitimate' medschool, when it seems to have no problems being accredited?

 

[lord_jeebus]

If you're interested in coming to CA, I would not consider applying to any of these schools a waste of money (assuming good stats) except Davis and Irvine.

I would read about Loma Linda's policies (alcohol, sex) and philosophy (SDA) before applying.

 

[drmota]

OOPS. NEGLECT MY POST ABOUT UCI AND STANFORD. i didn't see that this thread was about OOSers. in that case, USC is definitely the easiest.

loma linda as an institution is anti-stem cell research and anti-abortion. their medical curriculum has heavy religious undertones, which I personally don't find legitimate. it's just my opinion so take the energy that some of you would like to flame me with and go read a book or something.
-mota

 

[Rafa]

oompa?

 

[UCDavisdude]

OOPS. NEGLECT MY POST ABOUT UCI AND STANFORD. i didn't see that this thread was about OOSers. in that case, USC is definitely the easiest.

loma linda as an institution is anti-stem cell research and anti-abortion. their medical curriculum has heavy religious undertones, which I personally don't find legitimate. it's just my opinion so take the energy that some of you would like to flame me with and go read a book or something.
-mota

theres a crap load of residents at ucd med center who are from loma linda. (i know because theres a poster on the wall that shows residents and where they went to school at in the hospital). so it cant be that bad a school

 

[notdeadyet]

Loma Linda is the perfect medical school for what I would guess is a small minority of medical students. I very much want to stay in California but will not be applying to Loma Linda for reasons Mota ref'd to.

If you are not very strongly religious, Loma Linda might not be the best school for you. It is not religious mostly in name, like many Jesuit institutions. It is Seventh Day Adventist and you agree to not swear, drink, have premarital sex, etc.

Again, there is nothing wrong with this, but I would not plan on applying there unless you have a pretty strong religious (though not necessary SDA) bent.

 

[63768]

hmmmmm maybe i should apply to USC and loma linda if i have to apply again next year..........haha.

 

[UCLAstudent]

Loma Linda is the perfect medical school for what I would guess is a small minority of medical students. I very much want to stay in California but will not be applying to Loma Linda for reasons Mota ref'd to.

If you are not very strongly religious, Loma Linda might not be the best school for you. It is not religious mostly in name, like many Jesuit institutions. It is Seventh Day Adventist and you agree to not swear, drink, have premarital sex, etc.

Again, there is nothing wrong with this, but I would not plan on applying there unless you have a pretty strong religious (though not necessary SDA) bent.

I agree with this. I just wanted to add that Loma Linda has historically scored higher than any of the other CA schools on the CPX exam (clinical performance exam). So, the school must be doing something right. 👍

 

[DelAGator]

I know none of them are easy. But which ones would OOS'rs have the best chances of not being immediately laughed at by CA med adcoms?

Loma Limda has some kind of preferential treatment if you are a Seventh Day Adventist

 

[Zoom-Zoom]

um...UC Irvine and USC definitely. maybe loma linda, i wouldn't know though cuz i don't consider it a legitimate med school. whoever voted for stanford is an idiot. they are as selective as UCSF.
-mota

actually, statistically stanford accepts the same percentage of OOS as in-staters. Granted, there are a lot of instate applicants, and both rates are pretty low (3.0% for instate, 3.1% out of state)


and getting into UC's is tough as an OOS:

Davis 0.8%
San Diego 2.2%
LA 2.3%
S.F. 2.4%
Irvine -not sure

USC is 5%, with the lowest cumm gpa <--- your best bet.

 

[MNsocsci]

There's practically no chance of getting into a UC med school if you're not a resident. There are sooooo many CA people who want to go to med school. I think the private schools are a much better shot for OOS.

That's not true. UCSF has a low acceptance rate overall, but this is how they explained their admissions policy during the interview day:

When they screen the AMCAS primary applications, they do a initial cut using just numbers. There is a higher cut for OOS applicants. Once they offer an interview, however, they are no longer using residency in the equation. They said that the high numbers of in-state matriculating students reflects the high numbers of in-state applicants as well as the fact that in-state people are more likely to accept their offer of a position at UCSF.

I don't know about the other UC schools because I didn't apply there--I just love San Francisco!

 

[Zoom-Zoom]

That's not true. UCSF has a low acceptance rate overall, but this is how they explained their admissions policy during the interview day:

When they screen the AMCAS primary applications, they do a initial cut using just numbers. There is a higher cut for OOS applicants. Once they offer an interview, however, they are no longer using residency in the equation. They said that the high numbers of in-state matriculating students reflects the high numbers of in-state applicants as well as the fact that in-state people are more likely to accept their offer of a position at UCSF.

I don't know about the other UC schools because I didn't apply there--I just love San Francisco!

There is probably some truth to this. There are about equal numbers of in-state and OOS applicants. I'm not sure about the number of interviews they do for each group, but last year there were 114 matriculants out of 188 acceptees for in-staters, compared to 27 matriculants out of 60 acceptees for OOS applicants. So yeah, in-staters do have a higher matriculation rate and this might make it seem harder than it really is for OOS. However, it is still damned hard to get into this school and certainly it is harder to get an interview as an OOS.

 

[Rafa]

That's not true. UCSF has a low acceptance rate overall, but this is how they explained their admissions policy during the interview day:

When they screen the AMCAS primary applications, they do a initial cut using just numbers. There is a higher cut for OOS applicants. Once they offer an interview, however, they are no longer using residency in the equation. They said that the high numbers of in-state matriculating students reflects the high numbers of in-state applicants as well as the fact that in-state people are more likely to accept their offer of a position at UCSF.

I don't know about the other UC schools because I didn't apply there--I just love San Francisco!

Did they offer any hints about what the initial OOS cut-offs are?

 

[Zoom-Zoom]

Did they offer any hints about what the initial OOS cut-offs are?

The average gpa is 3.77, mcat ~33. Given that they accept a little over 3 times as many in-staters but have roughly equal numbers of applications, you can almost certainly assume the cut off is at or higher than these numbers. Maybe not the initial, "read your application" cut off, but I'm sure there aren't a whole lot of oos'ers with lower stats.

 

[paceac]

maybe loma linda, i wouldn't know though cuz i don't consider it a legitimate med school. -mota

Tell that to all the people that have been cared for by Loma Linda doctors. I think this is a pretty arrogant and unfounded statement.

 

[MNsocsci]

Did they offer any hints about what the initial OOS cut-offs are?

Sorry, they didn't even hint at that. (Which kind of pisses me off--if any school is going to make a cut solely based on numbers, you would think they would publicize those numbers so people could save money and not send them their app.)

 

[Plastikos]

actually, statistically stanford accepts the same percentage of OOS as in-staters. Granted, there are a lot of instate applicants, and both rates are pretty low (3.0% for instate, 3.1% out of state)


and getting into UC's is tough as an OOS:

Davis 0.8%
San Diego 2.2%
LA 2.3%
S.F. 2.4%
Irvine -not sure

USC is 5%, with the lowest cumm gpa <--- your best bet.

I'll second that, USC is by far the best for out of staters.

 

[Plastikos]

If you're interested in coming to CA, I would not consider applying to any of these schools a waste of money (assuming good stats) except Davis and Irvine.

I would read about Loma Linda's policies (alcohol, sex) and philosophy (SDA) before applying.

Yes, b/c someone would actually conform to them just b/c thats the institutions philosophy. Its mostly in name, and they have residents from all over and all beliefs. Hell, my best friend just matched there, and he is not good church boy for sure.

 

[Disarming]

UCLA and USC. UCLA has NO PREFRENCE!