which is better for your career: harvard med school or harvard residency?

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Hi, I'm a soon to be medical student (this fall) and I was hoping to have some advice.


If you could only attend harvard once for your medical career, would you rather attend harvard medical school or do your residency at harvard? which would be best for your career? thank you very much for your opinions.


A bit about my personal situation: I am very open about where my medical career will take me. I dont have a particular specialty in mind and I also don't know where I will want to practice. Something is telling me though, that I may end up in private practice so that I can have more control over my career.

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Clearly depends on your individual circumstances and what sort of residency we are talking about. Not every residency at Harvard is the most respected in their fields; many can be undesireable depending on your practice/career goals.
 
Hi, I'm a soon to be medical student (this fall) and I was hoping to have some advice.


If you could only attend harvard once for your medical career, would you rather attend harvard medical school or do your residency at harvard? which would be best for your career? thank you very much for your opinions.

Neither. I don't want to live up north. Seriously, that and the fact that very rarely is a patient going to ask where I went to med school or residency. And it's very expensive - as soon as I was accepted to my state med school I cancelled all further interviews. And for residency you have cost of living to consider. Altogether, just not interested, but that's my opinion.

I suppose if given this hypothetical situation, in general, I would say residency b/c on the chance that a patient does ask you, your residency training is much more pertinent than your med school education. That being said, pp is correct that Harvard isn't necessarily the best of the best for every field, but your average patient sure isn't going to know that...they will hear "Harvard" and be satisfied. Again, on the rare chance that someone asks.
 
Residency, but only if the residency at harvard lives up to its reputation. Medical school education is largely the same everywhere, but the training and pathologies you'll see will vary across hospitals across the nation.

And oh yeah, you don't go to "harvard" residency, you go to one of their teaching affiliates, like MGH.
 
Actually, some Harvard residencies *do* actually keep the name Harvard in the program name (plastics and derm come to mind), but most are at Harvard teaching affiliates like MGH. Given a choice between HMS and a Harvard-affiliated residency (depending on the field, as noted), I'd choose to do my residency there.
 
Actually, some Harvard residencies *do* actually keep the name Harvard in the program name (plastics and derm come to mind), but most are at Harvard teaching affiliates like MGH. Given a choice between HMS and a Harvard-affiliated residency (depending on the field, as noted), I'd choose to do my residency there.

Interesting, I stand corrected then. 🙂
 
Will keep the ECHO going...
I would definately take the residency over medical school. Just as I would take the medical school over the undergrad. As pointed out not all the residencies are the best of the best, however, the "brand" is pretty darn good.
 
Harvard High School will set you up nicely for the rest of those. 😉
 
Medical school education is largely the same everywhere.

so that being said, i would have to say Harvard med school would be better for the career. Even if medical education is the same, the perception is that a degree from Harvard is better and will get you into the best residency programs, which would be better for one's career.

Plus the public will ask (if they do) where did you go to med school? and the answer "Harvard", will carry a ton of weight (even if they went on to train at podunk u).
 
Harvard High School will set you up nicely for the rest of those. 😉

I was thinking Harvard preschool actually. Where you do the finger paint thing and try real hard not to crap your pants during naptime. Once you got that diploma it is pure GRAVY.
 
I was thinking Harvard preschool actually. Where you do the finger paint thing and try real hard not to crap your pants during naptime. Once you got that diploma it is pure GRAVY.

Ahhh, you see, I didn't match into Harvard Preschool because of my pants-soiling predilection.

I did scramble into Yale though. 👍
 
You are better of being in Harvard Med than Harverd Residency unless the residency is the one you want..

Harvard med will enable you to acquire the residency specialty you want with less effort. Harvard residency can be good if it is what you want. Getting your choice of specialty type is the cake in residency; location is the icing.
 
If your goal is to have some sort of diploma with "Harvard" on it, then it doesn't really matter which one. If your goal is to be an effective physician, then you don't need to go to Harvard to do that. What would be better for your career is not worrying about status so much and focusing on the career. If a harvard program turns out to be your best option and you like the program, go for it. If it doesn't, then don't.
 
I would take HMS over the residency. As someone pointed out, HMS will enable you to get the residency specialty you want with less effort.

Of course, if you are determined to be a neurosurgeon at MGH, it probably better to do residency over there.
 
Good Luck🙂
 
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As a resident at one of the Harvard hospitals, I have to say that the overwhelming impression of the HMS students around here is that they have very poor clinical skills. There are a good number of "book smart" students who obviously did some impressive research to get into HMS, but have little to no clinical acumen. Their schedules are packed w/ lectures, so they have limited time in the OR or on the floor, do almost no procedures, and really seem to be poorly prepared for internship/residency. Colleagues at MGH for IM say that the HMS grads are known to need a little more time to get "acclimated" as interns, and are purposely started on easy rotations in the beginning of the year.

That said, I would echo what others have said about picking a "Harvard-affiliated" residency if it is tops in your field (i.e. ortho), and skip HMS unless you are looking to pursue MD/PhD, or a research-oriented practice.
 
As a resident at one of the Harvard hospitals, I have to say that the overwhelming impression of the HMS students around here is that they have very poor clinical skills. There are a good number of "book smart" students who obviously did some impressive research to get into HMS, but have little to no clinical acumen. Their schedules are packed w/ lectures, so they have limited time in the OR or on the floor, do almost no procedures, and really seem to be poorly prepared for internship/residency. Colleagues at MGH for IM say that the HMS grads are known to need a little more time to get "acclimated" as interns, and are purposely started on easy rotations in the beginning of the year.

That said, I would echo what others have said about picking a "Harvard-affiliated" residency if it is tops in your field (i.e. ortho), and skip HMS unless you are looking to pursue MD/PhD, or a research-oriented practice.


Uh-oh!
 
I would take HMS over the residency. As someone pointed out, HMS will enable you to get the residency specialty you want with less effort.

Because that's the goal. As little effort as possible. That's an excellent strategy, doctor.

Why doesn't someone try this strategy and report back to us in a few years as to how it goes? This is akin to those silly threads that ask, "Which is better, being a superstar at a middle tier med school or being average at a top 5 med school?" As if all students at top 5 med schools are automatically "better" than all those at other schools. Some day, all of you young prestige hounds will realize that piggy-backing on someone else's (or some school's) prestige doesn't really get you very far. And that getting into a "top ranked" school or residency doesn't make you a better student/resident/job applicant. You have to work at it no matter where you go.

But I also think people should stop deluding themselves that somehow Harvard (or whatever med school you have a bone to pick with) med students somehow have to work less hard for their successes than those at State U. It's tough for everyone, folks. Medicine is hard work. There are always people who skate by with minimal effort, but guess what - they don't generally have much success in the end, or they shape up once they realize they aren't such hot stuff.
 
As a resident at one of the Harvard hospitals, I have to say that the overwhelming impression of the HMS students around here is that they have very poor clinical skills. There are a good number of "book smart" students who obviously did some impressive research to get into HMS, but have little to no clinical acumen. Their schedules are packed w/ lectures, so they have limited time in the OR or on the floor, do almost no procedures, and really seem to be poorly prepared for internship/residency. Colleagues at MGH for IM say that the HMS grads are known to need a little more time to get "acclimated" as interns, and are purposely started on easy rotations in the beginning of the year.

That said, I would echo what others have said about picking a "Harvard-affiliated" residency if it is tops in your field (i.e. ortho), and skip HMS unless you are looking to pursue MD/PhD, or a research-oriented practice.

I actually thought about this question quite a bit before I passed on my state school to go HMS. I spoke with several residency directors at the medical school at my undergrad and based my decision largely on their advice.

What I learned:
1) like graduates from any top tier med school, they all have the reputation for being what NYC girl says. I think this is because many people see the institution name and expect a lot more out of you and, because no one graduates med school as a senior resident, they tend to fall short of expectations. For example, I have a friend that is a NeuroSurg resident at Yale and he constantly says the same thing about rotating Yale med students. Obviously I am only an ignorant med student, but I would be curious how often residents say that they are impressed by how prepared rotating med students are. Furthermore, which med schools are preparing their students the best. I know the reputation of a school doesn't educate its students, but I find it troubling that at least Harvard and Yale are doing a comparatively poor job preparing their students.

2) HMS graduates, especially, have a reputation for thinking that they deserve "things" because they are HMS grads (I wasn't given great examples of this, but I think it is along the lines of believing that they don't need to obey the rules because they are above the rules). Not sure if this is a product of the education or the type of people that are generally admitted to the school in the first place.

3) Despite 1 and 2, HMS grads are still looked highly upon by the residency directors. More importantly, among the schools I was admitted to (including my state school which is no slouch), all of the residency directors recommended going HMS.

Finally, the choice of HMS versus Harvard residency largely depends on career goals not just specialty. If you want to go private practice, I believe residency training location is much less of a factor (within reason of course.....Harvard versus some obscure, tiny program is obviously going to make a huge difference). If you are thinking academic, you need to play the academic politics game for fellowships and professorships and you would definitely benefit on from a research/publication intensive program.

My personal view is to always take advantage of the best option you have. If you have the opportunity to go to a more competitive or prestigious school at any point, it is probably a safe bet to pursue it (not because I give a s*&% about prestige, but because life isn't fair and stupid politics still exist in medicine). I REALLY want to have the opportunity to choose my residency location (and my choose I mean actually GET the specific location that I want). Sadly I have to endure time in the NE such that I can have a better shot at going where I really want to go for residency--which is going to be a longer stint than med school (hopefully 🙂).
 
Hi, I'm a soon to be medical student (this fall) and I was hoping to have some advice.


If you could only attend harvard once for your medical career, would you rather attend harvard medical school or do your residency at harvard? which would be best for your career? thank you very much for your opinions.

What’s in a name? Well it’s quite a lot so it happens. Upon graduation it helps in securing positions but let’s face it further down the line reputations are achieved via continuous professional development built on merit, residencies and an ongoing program of research.

An important consideration in your decision
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residency is more important.
Also, going to Harvard for med school won't necessarily make it "easier" to get into your desired specialty or residency, because those types of med schools tend to have even more competition over grades and evaluations than a lower tier med school.

I don't think someone should automatically pick Harvard for med school, or even try to get in there, necessarily. If that is what you want, fine. But it probably will cost more money than your state med school, and might be more stressful.
 
Residency... I've heard from numerous people that what matters most in your medical career is where you trained LAST... aka residency. I think as long as you work hard, you'll get an adequate base of knowledge at most med schools. I think the best residency in your particular field will in the end be most beneficial, whether that means Harvard or somewhere else... what's "best" for some people isn't necessarily "best" for everyone (different learning types, etc.). Best of luck!
 
Obvious answer: both

That way you'll be broke

Your patients will instantly recognize your medical school

And your last place of training will be top notch

Problem solved
 
residency is more important.
Also, going to Harvard for med school won't necessarily make it "easier" to get into your desired specialty or residency, because those types of med schools tend to have even more competition over grades and evaluations than a lower tier med school.

I don't think someone should automatically pick Harvard for med school, or even try to get in there, necessarily. If that is what you want, fine. But it probably will cost more money than your state med school, and might be more stressful.

FWIW, a lot of the "big name" medical schools do a lot to take the stress and competition out of the first two years. Harvard is entirely P/F. I can't remember whether it's Yale or Brown that has "optional" exams.

You'd be surprised at the competition at a "less competitive" medical school - when everyone knows that they need to do well in order to go elsewhere for residency.
 
I agree with those that feel that where you do residency is more important.
Where you go to medical school is usually only more important if you are planning some type of non-clinical career, such as pharmaceutical/health equities analysis (The one exception: if you went to Oral Roberts medical School, it will hurt you no matter your career plan, but that is no longer an option since the school closed 20 years ago- I knew a surgeon who went there).
I wouldn't recommend applying to medical school if you don't initially want a clinical career. So, OP, at your career stage, I would recommend Harvard residency if you had to choose between the medical school and residency.
 
Of the three big affiliates, it is BWH and MGH that are perceived as the top hospitals. BID has a distinctly weaker reputation. I don't know about the other clinics like Mass Eye & Ear and how they compare to other centers, but by no means is Harvard the best for any particular residency or fellowship.

I'd say do HMS. It will open a lot of doors to HMS-affiliate centers and other top places. The training is not necessarily better, but you'll likely have more opportunities than at most other places and the name boost and inbreeding tendency will help out for residency.
 
FWIW, a lot of the "big name" medical schools do a lot to take the stress and competition out of the first two years. Harvard is entirely P/F. I can't remember whether it's Yale or Brown that has "optional" exams.

You'd be surprised at the competition at a "less competitive" medical school - when everyone knows that they need to do well in order to go elsewhere for residency.

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Yale is the one that has "optional" exams. Maybe it is the chip on our shoulder as students at "less competitive" medical schools, but I feel like if you are able to secure a spot at a top tier, then you do not have as much to prove once you are there. If you are at a less competitive school, you slave your life away to compete and make a name for yourself so you have to option of a competitive residency. Regardless of where you attend school, getting in and staying in are giant pains in the you know what.
 
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