which MD schools...

[Laiba]

---

Members do not see this ad.

if any...do NOT require organic chemistry 2?

so sorry if this question has been asked before.

i have all my courses....ive graduated and all a year ago...just not orgo 2. dont want to go back to take that one course. I know many DO schools dont require it and im applying DO as well but are there any MD schools?

 

[aSagacious]

if any...do NOT require organic chemistry 2?

so sorry if this question has been asked before.

i have all my courses....ive graduated and all a year ago...just not orgo 2. dont want to go back to take that one course. I know many DO schools dont require it and im applying DO as well but are there any MD schools?

All of them (to my knowledge) require orgo. Now I have a question for you: how to you expect to pass the bio/orgo section of the MCAT without taking orgo first?

 

[TexasPhysician]

0

 

[Zedor]

if any...do NOT require organic chemistry 2?

so sorry if this question has been asked before.

i have all my courses....ive graduated and all a year ago...just not orgo 2. dont want to go back to take that one course. I know many DO schools dont require it and im applying DO as well but are there any MD schools?

You misspelled Labia...

 

[2050vlsb]

All of them (to my knowledge) require orgo. Now I have a question for you: how to you expect to pass the bio/orgo section of the MCAT without taking orgo first?

While I'm also fairly certain that 2 semesters of organic chemistry is standard for all MD schools, there are definitely ways to prepare for the bio section without taking the class. The scope of ochem on the MCAT on most administrations is pretty minimal compared to what's covered in an actual university class. You can definitely find other avenues, including using prep books or taking a prep class, to go over material you might see, especially if you already taken one semester and have some concept of organic chemistry. In fact, given that it's minimal compared to bio in BS section, it actually helped me to have someone go over just the material I'd be tested on instead of having to go back to my textbook

 

[235009]

go take orgo 2. why would you put yourself at an extreme disadvantage right off the bat and lock yourself out of most/all MD schools? seems illogical to me to have your whole future determined by not wanting to take one college course. do it at a state or city college where the price per credit is cheap and get it out of the way...don't be a fool.

 

[Sammich117]

All of them (to my knowledge) require orgo. Now I have a question for you: how to you expect to pass the bio/orgo section of the MCAT without taking orgo first?

This. Even if there is a school out there that doesn't require it, it's going to be tested.

 

[Long Way to Go]

There are a fair number of schools that will accept biochem instead of orgo 2. Perhaps you could make a comprehensive list and see if you feel comfortable just applying to those schools?

 

[vickpick]

lol.

 

[getright]

UW-Madison doesn't require it or the lab, but you still have to take biochemistry.

 

[transfec]

You misspelled Labia...

lol

I don't know of a single MD school that doesn't require it. However, as for what somebody said about the MCAT and Organic Chemistry, I highly doubt not taking this class would be a problem in that department (considering O-chem is heavily dumbed down on the actual MCAT). Organic Chemistry for Dummies would get you to ace the O-chem part, in my opinion.

Still though, I'd take the class. Don't let one course shut you out of MD, if you really want to go to an MD school.

 

[UbuntuGM]

I checked Cornell's admissions webpage. They do not require it. So... looks like you can EDP Cornell if you want, lol.

http://www.med.cornell.edu/education/admissions/app_req.html

 

[gravitywave]

instead of crassly insulting OP and giving out bad information, why don't we come up with some answers.

List of schools that don't require Orgo 2:
OHSU (requires genetics & biochem)
USC (requires biochem & mol bio)
UFlorida (requires Biochem)
Medical College of Georgia (can substitute other "advanced chemistry" for orgo 2)
Brown
U of Washington
U of Wisconsin (requires biochem)

there may be more.

and i assume that many of you posting in here have taken the MCAT, in which case you know that the material from orgo 2 is actually pretty low yield for that exam, on par with biochem or mol bio.

 

[UbuntuGM]

instead of crassly insulting OP and giving out bad information, why don't we come up with some answers.

List of schools that don't require Orgo 2:
OHSU (requires genetics & biochem)
USC (requires biochem & mol bio)
UFlorida (requires Biochem)
Medical College of Georgia (can substitute other "advanced chemistry" for orgo 2)
Brown
U of Washington
U of Wisconsin (requires biochem)

there may be more.

and i assume that many of you posting in here have taken the MCAT, in which case you know that the material from orgo 2 is actually pretty low yield for that exam, on par with biochem or mol bio.

You like one-upping me, champ?

 

[karayraisu]

There's a fair number of med schools now that don't require orgo 2 (yes, this includes "top tier" schools) and will accept biochem for orgo credit.

I have never taken Orgo 2 actually. I just took Biochem, and it got me through all of these places (I used to have a longer list but I deleted schools as the cycle went on):

-Harvard
-Brown
-Sinai
-Cornell
-NYU
-USC
-Pitt (not explicit, but if you email them they will take biochem for second semester orgo credit)
-UCLA (open ended definition of what "chemistry" means)

This was actually a fairly important point when I applied to med schools, and I remembered that out of the 18 schools I applied to, only a handful of schools explicitly require Orgo 2. I think the prevalent trend at leading med schools in the country is to start shifting away from Orgo 2 and encouraging applicants to take Biochem instead (check out Harvard's new admissions requirements, for example).

And also, I don't understand the people ridiculing the OP about Orgo on MCAT. My school's Orgo 1's curriculum is more than enough for the MCAT, and I think it's like that for many Orgo 1 curriculums. Orgo on the MCAT is relatively simple and straightforward, and requires basic knowledge of reaction mechanisms. The only thing that wasn't covered for us was all the spectroscopy stuff, but that can be quickly learned since the material on the MCAT for that is so light.

 

[Ignatius M.D.]

.

 

[Ignatius M.D.]

Many of them let you substitute biochem. My orgo prof came back from a conference and said that they are discussing a universal standard of not requiring Orgo 2, but requiring biochem. This would also be reflected in detailed biochem material on a new version of the MCAT. You can go ahead and add Dartmouth to the list I believe.

And also, I don't understand the people ridiculing the OP about Orgo on MCAT. My school's Orgo 1's curriculum is more than enough for the MCAT, and I think it's like that for many Orgo 1 curriculums. Orgo on the MCAT is relatively simple and straightforward, and requires basic knowledge of reaction mechanisms. The only thing that wasn't covered for us was all the spectroscopy stuff, but that can be quickly learned since the material on the MCAT for that is so light.

Yea, the orgo on the MCAT is actually quite easy to be honest. They don't go deep into anything, and the majority is simple carbonyl rxn and SN1/2 or E1/2 or stereochem. Some of the stuff is in orgo 2 though, so it has definitely helped.

 

[Laiba]

thank you everybody for your replies...

so, so far we have these schools that either do not require orgo 2 or accept biochem instead:

UW-Madison
Cornell
OHSU (requires genetics & biochem)
USC (requires biochem & mol bio)
UFlorida (requires Biochem)
Medical College of Georgia (can substitute other "advanced chemistry" for orgo 2)
Brown
U of Washington
U of Wisconsin (requires biochem)
Harvard
Brown
Sinai
NYU
Pitt (not explicit, but if you email them they will take biochem for second semester orgo credit)
UCLA (open ended definition of what "chemistry" means)
Dartmouth

any more?

 

[235009]

thank you everybody for your replies...

so, so far we have these schools that either do not require orgo 2 or accept biochem instead:

UW-Madison
Cornell
OHSU (requires genetics & biochem)
USC (requires biochem & mol bio)
UFlorida (requires Biochem)
Medical College of Georgia (can substitute other "advanced chemistry" for orgo 2)
Brown
U of Washington
U of Wisconsin (requires biochem)
Harvard
Brown
Sinai
NYU
Pitt (not explicit, but if you email them they will take biochem for second semester orgo credit)
UCLA (open ended definition of what "chemistry" means)
Dartmouth

any more?

is this really how you want to choose schools? plus unless you have a 35+ MCAT you have a slim chance at probably 6-8 of those schools.

PS you listed brown twice

 

[2sk0ol4c0ol]

If your not applying this year than add John Hopkins to the list.

Thank you for posting this this definitely changes what classes I will be taking. I think most medical schools are moving this route. I know that harvard would take biochem in place of Orgo 2. I wish someone would have asked a question about calc 2 I'm in it and it's not required!😡 Hardest class on my schedule by far!

 

[iniquus]

PS you listed brown twice

So good.

 

[Cleavername]

i would rather take orgo 2 than bochem just cuze its moar fun

 

[slatermd]

Every time this thread gets bumped I see the OP's handle and think it says Labia.

 

[the duck]

JHU doesn't need ochem2, but they're requiring biochem w/ lab.

( PS, I could be wrong, and just too tired...but I swear I remember reading this)

 

[ucbsmd]

There is no formal class requirements for Cincinnati.

 

[aSagacious]

UW-Madison
Cornell
OHSU (requires genetics & biochem)
USC (requires biochem & mol bio)
UFlorida (requires Biochem)
Medical College of Georgia (can substitute other "advanced chemistry" for orgo 2)
U of Washington
U of Wisconsin (requires biochem)
Harvard
Brown
Sinai
NYU
Pitt (not explicit, but if you email them they will take biochem for second semester orgo credit)
UCLA (open ended definition of what "chemistry" means)
Dartmouth
any more?

Duke
Hofstra (recommended, not required)
Johns Hopkin
Med U of S Carolina (recommended, not required)
NYMC
Oakland (in Michigan)
S Illinois (recommended, not required)
Texas Tech
Cincy
U of Minessota (recommended, not required)
Penn
^
||
|| ... lesson learned, don't listen to us pre-meds (we rarely know what we're talking about 😀)

 

[n3xa]

JHU doesn't need ochem2, but they're requiring biochem w/ lab.

Correctamundo!

 

[armydocUM]

Actually it seems like many DO schools do require Orgo 2. Check out the requirements for specific schools here http://www.aacom.org/people/colleges/Pages/default.aspx