Which one would you rather be?

[kangar00]

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Person #1:
Goes to Stanford undergrad with a 3.9 GPA and 35 MCAT, has volunteering/research/shadowing, no leadership or other extracurriculars.

Person #2:
Goes to Marquette undergrad with 3.7 GPA and 33 MCAT, has shadowing, hospital volunteering, research, founded/chartered a community service organization and resides as president, resident advisor, teaching assistant, internship, lots of leadership/involvement.

Essentially, how big of an impact does leadership/involvement make on medical school admissions if you're really over-involved on campus?

 

[RogueUnicorn]

i would rather you went to the stupid questions thread.

 

[mtbtx]

i would rather you went to the stupid questions thread.

+1

Oh, and I'd rather be #1 because going to stanford would have been awesome!

 

[Dookie2010]

Person #1:
Goes to Stanford undergrad with a 3.9 GPA and 35 MCAT, has volunteering/research/shadowing, no leadership or other extracurriculars.

Person #2:
Goes to Marquette undergrad with 3.7 GPA and 33 MCAT, has shadowing, hospital volunteering, research, founded/chartered a community service organization and resides as president, resident advisor, teaching assistant, internship, lots of leadership/involvement.

Essentially, how big of an impact does leadership/involvement make on medical school admissions if you're really over-involved on campus?

#1 would have an easier time getting interviews, but #2 would likely have more interesting things to talk about during those interviews. So #2 might get more acceptances in the long run, maybe. but it's all a crap chute anyway and they're both fine applicants so no telling how it would turn out for either. which one are you? 😛

 

[Malice]

Person #1:
Goes to Stanford undergrad with a 3.9 GPA and 35 MCAT, has volunteering/research/shadowing, no leadership or other extracurriculars.

Person #2:
Goes to Marquette undergrad with 3.7 GPA and 33 MCAT, has shadowing, hospital volunteering, research, founded/chartered a community service organization and resides as president, resident advisor, teaching assistant, internship, lots of leadership/involvement.

Essentially, how big of an impact does leadership/involvement make on medical school admissions if you're really over-involved on campus?

Person #1. Both will probably make medical school, but only person #1 will be able to say that he went to Stanford 20 years from now. A 3.7/33 isn't that good stats wise, it's nice to have good leadership, but his stats won't bring him to schools where leadership matters (top 20). The 3.9/35 will probably get looked at by schools in the top 20, however, they may throw it out when they see the ECs are lacking, which they really aren't seeing as he has research.

 

[rhesuspieces]

#1 would have an easier time getting interviews, but #2 would likely have more interesting things to talk about during those interviews. So #2 might get more acceptances in the long run, maybe. but it's all a crap chute anyway and they're both fine applicants so no telling how it would turn out for either. which one are you? 😛

haha, crap chute. the mental images are fantastic.

for the record, it's crap shoot, referencing the casino game.

 

[Dookie2010]

haha, crap chute. the mental images are fantastic.

for the record, it's crap shoot, referencing the casino game.

hahaha, well that's very enlightening, thanks. duh/whoops 😳

 

[Ursa]

haha, crap chute. the mental images are fantastic.

for the record, it's crap shoot, referencing the casino game.

HAHA You beat me to it!

 

[Geekchick921]

haha, crap chute. the mental images are fantastic.

for the record, it's crap shoot, referencing the casino game.

LOL! I'm SO glad I wasn't the only one thinking this. 🤣 Even funnier that the post was made by "Dookie2010". I'm immature.

And to answer the first question, either one of them has a good chance of getting into medical school.

 

[eli20]

Haha a 3.7/33 isn't "that good" stat wise.

SDN: always good for the laughs.

 

[Dookie2010]

HAHA You beat me to it!

LOL! I'm SO glad I wasn't the only one thinking this. 🤣 Even funnier that the post was made by "Dookie2010". I'm immature.

And to answer the first question, either one of them has a good chance of getting into medical school.

oh geez, my ineptitude has hijacked the thread 😳. suffice it to say I will never incorrectly use that comparison again. Although, I now feel obligated to defend my original statement, as the admissions process evokes similar feelings to those one might feel when sliding down a chute of crap...but seriously, laugh away, I deserve it

 

[kangar00]

damn. I'm person #2, though I don't go to Marquette. And I haven't taken the MCAT yet (but will very soon...cram time!), but anticipate getting a 33.

 

[Dookie2010]

damn. I'm person #2, though I don't go to Marquette. And I haven't taken the MCAT yet (but will very soon...cram time!), but anticipate getting a 33.

don't be discouraged, the general consensus seemed to be that either one has a fair shot, but the Stanford education was preferable not for admission but just because it's a great education. Follow the cardinal rules of med school applications (early, broadly, good PS, etc.) and you should be just fine.

 

[tiedyeddog]

numba one, no contest for me. Stanford would have been sweet!

 

[bacalaca]

Stanford cause the Big East is terrible and how can you respect a college that doesnt have a football program?

 

[dbeast]

#1 because Justin Timberlake bangz so many hot girls there and founded teh Napsterzzz

 

[orthomyxo]

Person #1. Both will probably make medical school, but only person #1 will be able to say that he went to Stanford 20 years from now. A 3.7/33 isn't that good stats wise, it's nice to have good leadership, but his stats won't bring him to schools where leadership matters (top 20). The 3.9/35 will probably get looked at by schools in the top 20, however, they may throw it out when they see the ECs are lacking, which they really aren't seeing as he has research.

My vote for SDN's dumbest statement of the year.

 

[45408]

but only person #1 will be able to say that he went to Stanford 20 years from now. A 3.7/33 isn't that good stats wise

You serious, Clark?

 

[Geekchick921]

Person #1. Both will probably make medical school, but only person #1 will be able to say that he went to Stanford 20 years from now. A 3.7/33 isn't that good stats wise, it's nice to have good leadership, but his stats won't bring him to schools where leadership matters (top 20). The 3.9/35 will probably get looked at by schools in the top 20, however, they may throw it out when they see the ECs are lacking, which they really aren't seeing as he has research.

Oh SDN...

 

[juliedi]

Person #1. Both will probably make medical school, but only person #1 will be able to say that he went to Stanford 20 years from now. A 3.7/33 isn't that good stats wise, it's nice to have good leadership, but his stats won't bring him to schools where leadership matters (top 20). The 3.9/35 will probably get looked at by schools in the top 20, however, they may throw it out when they see the ECs are lacking, which they really aren't seeing as he has research.

SDN: crushing pre-meds' souls since 1999.

 

[Mithril]

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[rafflecopter]

Neither. I'd rather be Superman.

 

[apumic]

Neither. I'd rather be the 3.9/35 at a state school (w/ no loans) and plenty of ECs, shadowing, research, ridiculous amounts of clinical experience, good clinical stories, and breathtaking LORs...

J/K...but seriously.... both of these guys would have a good chance the Stanford applicant would probably have more success at first but might have difficulty finishing due to the lack of having actually done much substantial at Stanford (and outside Stanford). The other would probably finish better since, contrary to the beliefs of some ignorant individuals on SDN, 3.7/33 is an EXCELLENT set of stats. Someone needs to step outside the ivory tower every once in a while, I think! (Keep in mind a 3.7/33 has an 80% chance of getting in somewhere or TWICE the nat'l average. The 3.9/35 has an 86% chance. At best, the difference is miniscule. Both are right in the average range for some of the "best schools" but below average for the very top schools.)

 

[Gabby]

+1

Oh, and I'd rather be #1 because going to stanford would have been awesome!

The only thing going to Stanford would do for you in this scenario is let your parents brag that their kid went to Stanford.

 

[Gabby]

The 3.9/35 because you can always do ECs later. I'd rather not do a post-bacc or 2nd degree to bring up my GPA.

Yeah, because with a 3.7, I'm sure schools will tell him he needs to bring up his GPA.

 

[Gabby]

Person #1. Both will probably make medical school, but only person #1 will be able to say that he went to Stanford 20 years from now.

You plan to still be bragging about your undergrad 20 years from now?

 

[orthomyxo]

You plan to still be bragging about your undergrad 20 years from now?

"Hello, I'm Dr. Malice and I went to Stanford. What brings you in today?"

 

[apumic]

"Hello, I'm Dr. Malice and I went to Stanford. What brings you in today?"

Or more likely: "Hello, I'm Mr. Malice, your chiropractor." "No, I never went to medical school BUT I DID go to Stanford and I can still help you with whatever medical problem is ailing you." "No, I can't prescribe you any medicine or do surgery, but let me adjust your back right here and that should make the lump on your breast go away, just like.... There! Got it! The lump should go away in no time!"

 

[orthomyxo]

Or more likely: "Hello, I'm Mr. Malice, your chiropractor." "No, I never went to medical school BUT I DID go to Stanford and I can still help you with whatever medical problem is ailing you." "No, I can't prescribe you any medicine or do surgery, but let me adjust your back right here and that should make the lump on your breast go away, just like.... There! Got it! The lump should go away in no time!"

Most likely: "Hello, I'm Malice and I went to Stanford. Paper or plastic ma'am?"

 

[Malice]

Okay, it's fairly obvious that I'm getting a lot of hate on here for saying 3.7/33 isn't that good. I was under the impression that this was a hypothetical opinion thread (I guess I was thrown off by the title, "Which one would YOU rather be?"). I thought that it was asking me personally which one I would rather be and why - silly me. I am well aware that a 3.7/33 will get into med school, but I (as in me, personally) would like to get into a top research school, which is why I would like to be the 3.9/35 dude.

To reiterate, a 3.7/33 is great, but as an elitist (in case you can't tell, I am one), I would rather have the prestige of Stanford on my diploma.

 

[apumic]

Okay, it's fairly obvious that I'm getting a lot of hate on here for saying 3.7/33 isn't that good. I was under the impression that this was a hypothetical opinion thread (I guess I was thrown off by the title, "Which one would YOU rather be?"). I thought that it was asking me personally which one I would rather be and why - silly me. I am well aware that a 3.7/33 will get into med school, but I (as in me, personally) would like to get into a top research school, which is why I would like to be the 3.9/35 dude.

To reiterate, a 3.7/33 is great, but as an elitist (in case you can't tell, I am one), I would rather have the prestige of Stanford on my diploma.

That's fine. We're still going to make fun of you for being elitist, though:

 

[mitchlucker]

Why do people make these threads? and why do I respond?

 

[MeowMeowCAT]

Definitely Stanford. If anything such a school can get good connections in what ever field you are studying in, so people will just assume "Well, if you are smart to get into Stanford, you probably will have no trouble in what ever we throw at you."

 

[gettheleadout]

Definitely Stanford. If anything such a school can get good connections in what ever field you are studying in, so people will just assume "Well, if you are smart to get into Stanford, you probably will have no trouble in what ever we throw at you."

oh god...

inb4prestigedebate

 

[StephBee]

Me personally, number 1 but that's simply because Stanford is kind of my dream school. AND then you'd be IS for all the UCs.

Now, if we're talking higher stats vs extra curriculars, personally I'd rather be number 2 because I feel like with good stats, the extra stuff really starts to matter. 2 points on a GPA and MCAT isn't going to make or break you when you get into the upper 3pointsomethings and higher MCATs. JMHO

 

[deleted357625]

Person #1 for sure, volunteering/research/shadowing is all you pretty much need. Standard EC's and also very good stats at a ivy.

 

[PRoVBeS]

#1 because Justin Timberlake bangz so many hot girls there and founded teh Napsterzzz

this was hilarious...

 

[slowbutsteady]

The only thing going to Stanford would do for you in this scenario is let your parents brag that their kid went to Stanford.

Ahh, SDN, perpetuating the self-serving myth that Stanford/Ivy educations aren't worth it.

Here, in todays NYT, "Is going to an elite college worth it?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/weekinreview/19steinberg.html?scp=5&sq=college&st=cse

Answer: Yes.

 

[juliedi]

Ahh, SDN, perpetuating the self-serving myth that Stanford/Ivy educations aren't worth it.

Here, in todays NYT, "Is going to an elite college worth it?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/weekinreview/19steinberg.html?scp=5&sq=college&st=cse

Answer: Yes.

Answer: it depends. http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=782652

 

[Gabby]

Ahh, SDN, perpetuating the self-serving myth that Stanford/Ivy educations aren't worth it.

Here, in todays NYT, "Is going to an elite college worth it?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/weekinreview/19steinberg.html?scp=5&sq=college&st=cse

Answer: Yes.

Well, if the NYT says so, it must be true! You sure told me!

 

[apumic]

Well, if the NYT says so, it must be true! You sure told me!

Thing is.... that's not even what the NYT article says. SBS probably should at least read the articles prior to trying to use them as evidence.

...Not to mention the fact that the few points where the article points toward elite colleges giving an advantage (higher chance of going to grad school and somewhat higher salary) don't even apply to medicine (i.e., no change in salary) AND no mention is made of confounds. The nail in the coffin for SBS is NOBODY CARES.