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Can someone give me some input on the following schools?

TOUROCOM - Harlem
LECOM - Bradenton
RVUCOM - Colorado

Which one would you choose? Why? How about for emergency medicine?
 
It would be helpful to know why you put these particular schools on the list - what are you looking for?
 
I would choose LECOM-Bradenton for the following reasons:

1) You can get federal student loans and I have no interest in living in NYC.
2) They are the most established school out of those three and just came out with a pretty good match list from what I hear.
3) LauraDO and Kateb4
4)scpod
 
For location, #2 or 3. ---I can see RVU having amazing facilities, but you might have a negative stigma battle for awhile until the schools gets a good rep for producing quality Docs. If it were me, Id go with LECOM B
 
I personally wouldn't pick RVU because I wouldn't want to attend a brand new school in its first year. And I probably wouldn't go to Touro NY because I wouldn't want to go to school in the city. If I were choosing between the three it would be LECOM-B. But your feelings may be different than mine.

No matter which school you pick I don't think you could go wrong. Did you visit/interview at each school? What was your gut feeling with each one?
 
umm...yeah...I am posting on your thread. You should be honored. If you were able to go to school with me......well that would be the best thing that has ever happened to you

My work here is done
 
Go with LauraDO.
 
You will be able get to your ultimate destination from any of the listed schools through your own discipline and dedication.

My factors favoring RVUCOM were as follows:
  • curriculum model (integrative/UofC-based)
  • clinical rotation sites (large/well-funded)
  • metropolitan area w/large population
  • creation of 300+ dual-accredited local/regional residencies
  • faculty/staff experience
Less of a factor but nonetheless weighed:
  • UofC only other med school in region/state, graduating ~150 med students
  • state-of-the-art facilities
  • less limitation w/regard to funding and additional support regionally due to no local tax burden, local funding from businesses toward scholarships and other planned student initiatives
  • UofC has/will likely implement a plan where they will only utilize their Anschutz teaching hospital going forward thereby allowing RVU students to occupy positions at key, former UofC clinical rotation sites
  • rumored that RVUCOM will likely be purchased by UofC later (same as many other DO schools who share locations with neighboring allo schools)
That's just a glimpse at a portion of the road leading to my decision.
Best of luck. 👍
 
umm...yeah...I am posting on your thread. You should be honored. If you were able to go to school with me......well that would be the best thing that has ever happened to you

My work here is done
haha, its like that
 
Can someone give me some input on the following schools?

TOUROCOM - Harlem
LECOM - Bradenton
RVUCOM - Colorado

Which one would you choose? Why? How about for emergency medicine?

While I know nothing about Touro or RVU, I have to say that LECOM-B is the best because of PBL (and all of the fantastic people that will be going there!!!).
 
LECOM Bradenton all the way, but make sure you are aware of the PBL pathway. That is the only pathway you can follow there, so make sure it is a good fit. I personally would avoid RVU, but it might coincide with your personal preference. Really, you should be looking into what each school offers as far as attributes go that will in the long run help you get into an EM residency.
 
They should change the name from LECOM - Bradenton to LECOM - LauraDO. The number of applicants would increase exponentially.

Seriously though, why did you chose LECOM? RVUCOM and TOUROCOM also offer PBL, although it's not as "hardcore" as LECOM. RVUCOM and TOUROCOM also seem to have some pretty solid clinical rotations.
 
RVUCOM and TOUROCOM also seem to have some pretty solid clinical rotations.

In theory. Nobody has rotated yet.

Why do YOU want to go to these schools? Why did you only pick new schools?
 
They should change the name from LECOM - Bradenton to LECOM - LauraDO. The number of applicants would increase exponentially.

Seriously though, why did you chose LECOM? RVUCOM and TOUROCOM also offer PBL, although it's not as "hardcore" as LECOM. RVUCOM and TOUROCOM also seem to have some pretty solid clinical rotations.

I like you, you can come to my school, Welcome
 
RVUCOM and TOUROCOM also offer PBL, although it's not as "hardcore" as LECOM. RVUCOM and TOUROCOM also seem to have some pretty solid clinical rotations.

Sorry, RVUCOM is integrative/traditional and does not have a PBL track as far as I am aware. Also, the rotation sites solid as far as I can tell so far; true, nothing is proven yet but I, for one, want to be a part of RVUCOM for the reasons I bulleted.
 
In theory. Nobody has rotated yet.

Why do YOU want to go to these schools? Why did you only pick new schools?

It may not be a "pick" per se, but rather a list of schools in which an acceptance was received.
 
Can someone give me some input on the following schools?

TOUROCOM - Harlem
LECOM - Bradenton
RVUCOM - Colorado

Which one would you choose? Why? How about for emergency medicine?


If your only deciding factor is emergency medicine, I would go Touro, I'm sure their ER departments are quite intense. But personally I don't think I could live in New York.
 
LECOM-Bradenton for the badassery of PBL and cheap tuition.

TOUROCOM-NY for New York City. I think this would be a great opportunity, and hard to pass up. The group that runs the TOUROs also seems to be a monster. They have a ton of funding, and I get the impression that they have got their **** together, although I could be wrong.

I'd be wary of RVU. They are brand new, and you won't get federal aid. Also, you will be a guinea pig for rotation sites (this may or may not matter... they might very well lock up some great sites, and you would have nothing to worry about, but they might have some issues too). Also the for-profit thing may or may not be an issue down the road. I'd let other people test this out and see what happens.

In the end, its mostly going to be what you make of it.
 
I do think those are good points for consideration. 👍

I neglected to mention federal aid (lack thereof for a period) with RVUCOM because I forgot in light of the fact I'm not utilizing that type of funding. I cans ay that I've investigated the clinical rotations in-depth and feel the sites are promising but as has been stated, we'll see in due time.
 
Well, if the loans thing is really an issue, then no-brainer, LECOM.
This is a tough choice cause I despise NYC, but it's closest to home for me. (The Northeast.)

I hate hot weather. BUT, humidity and hot weather is worse than dryness and hot weather - I really don't like Florida, and I love Colorado.

So the locations would be tough to choose from, for me, cause I'd want to be closer to home, but I like CO. The schools - I'd probably go with the cheapest, and easiest to finance. After about a year of med school now, I can echo what SO many people told me before - it really doesn't matter where you go. So, either love it, or decide to pay the least you have to.
 
I do think those are good points for consideration. 👍

I neglected to mention federal aid (lack thereof for a period) with RVUCOM because I forgot in light of the fact I'm not utilizing that type of funding. I cans ay that I've investigated the clinical rotations in-depth and feel the sites are promising but as has been stated, we'll see in due time.
Did you win the lottery or something? Or are your parents just that bad***?
 
Can someone give me some input on the following schools?

TOUROCOM - Harlem
LECOM - Bradenton
RVUCOM - Colorado

Which one would you choose? Why? How about for emergency medicine?

Hi Scared,
I got into TOURO & LECOM so I will only comment on those two. Both schools seemed great with friendly students!

LECOM-B: If you like PBL, this is for you. Don't forget it has the cheapest tuition.

TOURO-Harlem: Lecture based with core rotations in NYC.

In the end I felt torn between the two but went with Touro because my wife and I didn't want to move to FL and have to sell our condo in CT. Touro is only a few blocks from Metro North & is very easy to commute to. With either one, I don't think you can go wrong. Best of Luck!
 
I would choose LECOM-Bradenton for the following reasons:

1) You can get federal student loans and I have no interest in living in NYC.
2) They are the most established school out of those three and just came out with a pretty good match list from what I hear.
3) LauraDO and Kateb4
4)scpod

umm HELLLOOO what about me. not talking to you anymore EEL. 🙁



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umm HELLLOOO what about me. not talking to you anymore EEL. 🙁



:laugh::laugh:

Man!! I was so going to put you but then I was like no because she would still really like to go to CCOM. I was trying to send some good CCOM waves your way by not committing you to LECOM-B. I swear!! I still think you're awesome! 😀
 
No offense to anyone who is going to LECOM-B...It's a good school all...but if you have any bad feelings about PBL...then I would not go there...Also...my grandmother lives in Northport, which is not far from Bradenton...and the life there is kind of boring...and by kind of...I mean extremely...I understand it's med school and all and that you're supposed to be studying and whatnot...but I just can't stand being on the west coast of Florida for more than a week at a time...My hair started falling out when I was there for a month...

With that being said...I would choose Touro because of the location. The area around Touro really needs doctors and thats what they are all about, helping the people of Harlem. At Touro, you are going to get a lot of patient interaction because they start throwing you into hospital settings in your first semester. And the facilities are very nice (their anatomy lab was the best I've seen). All in all, it depends on what kind of learning style you like and where you want to live.
 
I totally can relate to OP. The 2 acceptances I have so far are from TOUROCOM and LECOM-B. I'm waiting for a letter from LECOM-Erie, and my TOURO-CA interview is this coming Monday. In terms of location, I'd probably pick TOURO-CA since I'm from northern California but it's late in the game and all bets are off.

The main difference I can think of between TOUROCOM and LECOM-B are:

Weather: Bradenton is balmy year round. NYC is cold in the winter, and muggy in the summer.

City/urban: Bradenton itself is sort of suburban. Lots of open space, and you'll need a car to get around. Plenty of outdoor activity...beach, tennis, golf, etc. Less crime. NYC is a big city. Having a car is extremely inconvenient. Limited outdoor activities but plenty of nightlife. Higher crime.

Curriculum style: LECOM-B is virtually all PBL. Anatomy lab is prosected. TOUROCOM is lecture-based (with video streaming). Anatomy lab with cadavers.

Cost: LECOM-B $54,070 (Out of State) vs TOUROCOM $63,526.

Resident match: LECOM-B had great matches this year. No data yet for TOUROCOM, but they emphasized primary care as their main goal. (which DO school doesn't?🙂)

Misc: LECOM-B has strict dress code and attendance. TOUROCOM is more relax and attendance only taken during lab. All TOUROCOM rotations are in NYC. Harlem Hospital is one possible site and it's a Level I Trauma center too. You might be able to make connections if you're interest is EM.

Ultimately a lot of it weighs more on how well you do on your boards and less on the school you attended. But to do well on your boards you need to pick a school that will be conducive to your learning. For example, do you learn better PBL or lecture style, and also what type of environment do you prefer...factors that differ between individuals.

On that note, I'm still deciding myself 😀 But I'll need to make a decision right after my TOURO-CA interview because I definitely do not want to fork out another $2000 deposit.
 
With LECOM-B, you REALLY need to decide if you want PBL or not. I mean, there are a lot of differences between Touro and LECOM-B besides curriculum, but I think if you can rule in or rule out PBL then it may help make the decision.

I think there are some students who realize that they really don't learn well on their own and have been unhappy and really struggle here because they just didn't take PBL "seriously".

As much fun as it may be to live in New York, not sure I could do it during med school. I wanted to stay in Florida, and there isn't a whole lot around here, but then again, what do you need? It's med school, you aren't going to be going out each night anyway. Unless you absolutely don't want to drive anywhere, or have to have access to Broadway, tons of clubs/bars, etc.... then I really don't see much differences in attending med school in big urban area vs. a suburban one.
 
Also...my grandmother lives in Northport, which is not far from Bradenton...and the life there is kind of boring...and by kind of...I mean extremely...I understand it's med school and all and that you're supposed to be studying and whatnot...but I just can't stand being on the west coast of Florida for more than a week at a time...My hair started falling out when I was there for a month...

Yup, Northport is extremely boring and about an hour south of Bradenton (at least). My Great Aunt (85) lives there also, and it is really an old person community. Bradenton is nothing like it, and it's close to St. Petes which is full of younger people and tourists, so tourist activities.

Cost: LECOM-B $54,070 (Out of State) vs TOUROCOM $63,526.

The tuition at LECOM-B for OOS is $26,250! Their total budgeted allowances for student loans is $55,770 for OOS (to include room/board/books/etc.) TOUROCOM's tuition is $31,500, so about $5000 more/year. In the grand scheme of things, I really do think that 20K more is a big deal when you see that it can almost pay for a full years tuition.
 
The schools you listed couldn't be in more different locations, so I think you need to decide what kind of area you want to live in first and foremost. I know almost nothing about LECOM or RVU, but I'll throw my two cents in about Touro.

I'm also interested in EM and as a student at Touro I can say that I think I made the right decision to come here. We're required to shadow a certain number of physicians each semester (starting immediately) and you can choose where you want to do it, so I've done most of mine in emergency departments. We also get to go on STATflight ride alongs with paramedics and fly directly to accident scenes (if you decide you want to, that part isn't required).

I also think that our third and fourth year rotations will train me extremely well to talk to people of all different backgrounds or can't speak English, besides the training to handle pretty much every conceivable medical problem you could come up with. I mean it's NYC, what would you not see here that you'd see other places?

That being said, if you're not one for big cities than this isn't the place for you. I'm sure plenty of people couldn't handle it here, but myself, I go crazy if I went someplace rural.
 
Weather: Bradenton is balmy year round. NYC is cold in the winter, and muggy in the summer.

And don't forget smellier, dirtier, meaner, and more expensive. All year round.


I also think that our third and fourth year rotations will train me extremely well to talk to people of all different backgrounds or can't speak English, besides the training to handle pretty much every conceivable medical problem you could come up with. I mean it's NYC, what would you not see here that you'd see other places?

Well, you might not get too many tractor or farm equipment injuries I suppose.

I'm also interested in EM and as a student at Touro I can say that I think I made the right decision to come here. We're required to shadow a certain number of physicians each semester (starting immediately) and you can choose where you want to do it, so I've done most of mine in emergency departments. We also get to go on STATflight ride alongs with paramedics and fly directly to accident scenes (if you decide you want to, that part isn't required).

Okay, now I'm jealous..! :meanie:
 
just read someone's post about prosected cadavers. what do you mean by prosected? sorry if this is a stupid question.
 
just read someone's post about prosected cadavers. what do you mean by prosected? sorry if this is a stupid question.

It means that you don't do the dissection work in anatomy lab. You rummage around pre-dissected bodies to locate the lab objectives.
It saves a LOT of time doing it this way. And for those dying to be a dissector, there are electives offered after the class.
 
just read someone's post about prosected cadavers. what do you mean by prosected? sorry if this is a stupid question.

It means that the cadavers are already dissected down to the stuff you want to get to and study.
 
First, if you actually have a choice, you are blessed. I would listen to those who are warning about PBL, and be careful about listening to those who think it is great and haven't actually done it. Personally, having attended Bradenton, my experience was that it was affectionately referred to as "PB Hell." I found that I would rather have more guidance from my professors. Learning on your own is tough. With the massive amount of information and a stack of books in front of you, it can be a quite overwhelming. I did actually enjoy it some of the time, but feel it should be integrated into the curriculum as opposed to being all there is. But, some thrived with it, and got through and, according to the match list for the first class, have been very successful. Be warned, it can be quite lonely spending so much time reading on your own, as opposed to being in a lecture hall with your peers.

That said, Bradenton is a great school, if you are ready for it, but it is not "established" compared to the other schools. The first graduating class is this June. If you want established, don't think any of these three.

Some of the profs at Bradenton fantastic, others, not so much (as anywhere). But, as said before, not a lot of things to do in your "free" time there. When it's hot its HOT. And very humid. The closest beach is about 45 minutes away, so you are pretty far inland. Its the burbs, period. Applebees is the hotspot. (Note: I left Bradenton due to a family emergency, and instead of returning there, have elected to attend another school.)

Having also lived in New York City, I would personally choose TOUROCOM. NYC is an exciting, dynamic, and wonderful town. If you've never been there, do yourself a favor and at least visit. It is not dirty and dangerous (as back in the 80s)- living there for 5 years I never felt threatened or in fear of being attacked or anything like that. Just a great town.

For EM, any would be fine, but (total conjecture here), possibly NYC would give a better EM rotation due to location.

Best of luck to you!
 
Did you win the lottery or something? Or are your parents just that bad***?

My parents haven't provided any financial assistance to me in over 15 years. I'm actually not going to utilize the HPSP either, at least initially. I'm very non-trad and have worked professionally and saved for a period of time. I will be off to a running start but that doesn't mean I will not require financial aid farther down the road.
 
It means that you don't do the dissection work in anatomy lab. You rummage around pre-dissected bodies to locate the lab objectives.
It saves a LOT of time doing it this way. And for those dying to be a dissector, there are electives offered after the class.

I'd agree with this assessment and would interject that plastinated specimens are the future of A&P teaching in my opinion. I didn't believe that to be the case at first, either, until I visited the Chinese version of "Our Bodies - Universe Within" at a museum; I've taken a full-blown gross course previously and I was still beside myself throughout the exhibit.
 
It means that you don't do the dissection work in anatomy lab. You rummage around pre-dissected bodies to locate the lab objectives.
It saves a LOT of time doing it this way. And for those dying to be a dissector, there are electives offered after the class.

Lest you think our cadavers are just a big pile of parts, keep in mind, that the dissections are an ongoing thing. They are worked on every day. Some dissecting is likely to be done while you are there, but most of what you want to see for the day is already done. You'll get to see one of the professor's or second-year students cutting, and if that appeals to you then you can do it yourself the next year.

Trust me, by the time the first 10 weeks is over, you'll be more than ready to go onto something else. There's just no way that you could finish Anatomy in 10 weeks if you had to spend all those hours trimming out the fat and fascia by yourself.

I wanted to make a comment about PBL, too. That "PBL Hell" that one user talked about hasn't been used since the first year the school opened. Many of the first students had no idea what PBL was and didn't like it at all. They were the kind of students who need to be "spoon fed" in lectures. There's nothing wrong with that, but those students are "weeded out" of the system these days before they even get there. The school is pretty good about choosing students that have the ability to do well in PBL these days. They even let you sit in a a two-hour session to make sure that it is something you'd like to do.

That said, if you are not a self-motivated studier who enjoys learning on his or her own, then choose someplace else. If you absolutely love having the freedom to tailor your education, and lectures absolutely suck for you, then it's a wonderful environment. There are a few professors that aren't great in any school. I've run into one or two here, but for the most part they are very good people and really do want you to succeed. The administartion has a track record of listening to students and making changes based on their feedback. No, the "no food or drink" in the lecture hall will never change, but if you and your class think a lecturer really sucks, then you can bet that they'll start looking to find a replacement rather quickly. It's happened a few times already.

Things do tend to close down early sometimes, because of so many older people in the population, but sometimes this can be good. It's easy to find a table at restaurants after 9PM-- the old folk are already in bed 🙂. There is more than enough excitement nearby for most people. Honestly, it's still a resort area. People wouldn't come here if they couldn't have some fun, now would they? You have tons of professional sports teams located nearby, not to mention spring training for baseball fans. There are concert venues and clubs and excitement well within driving distance. If you like water sports of any kind, you'll be able to enjoy them year round.

The bottom line, though, is that any of the schools will give you a good education and you will do well if you work hard. Think about the things that are importnat to you. The three big reasons of mine were PBL, weather, and money. I found a school with a format that I absolutely loved, in an environment that was warm all the time, for only 5 grand more than my two in-state MD schools. It was a no-brainer for me.

I still think that people perform better in an environment where they are happy. I would be absolutely miserable dealing with cold weather 6 months out of the year. I know that it would affect my ability to dtudy and to function. I also know that debt is a big factor in my life. Eliminating that was very important to me. Pick those things that are the most importnant to you and look for a school that best fits those things. You can become a fine physician at any of them, so why not pick a place where you can enjoy yourself as well?
 
scpod has some good points. I should have couched my response in that my experience in Bradenton was from 2+ years ago. PBL then was new, and yes it was a mess, THEN. I'm very happy to hear that it is much smoother now. I loved the idea, and actually was quite good at it, but again, it had more than a few kinks to be worked out back then. Actually, it was a lot of fun when it was working.

However, there is a difference between this overly quoted term in med school "spoon fed" versus being taught and guided, mentored by your professors. Sorry, just hate that term...

And, like above, the important thing for you is to go where you will be happiest and work the best. I loved living in NYC and didn't really like being in Florida, so I choose not to go back there. Personal preference.

Prosection- great way to learn I think. Agreed that more schools should use it. Having dissected and done prosection, either works just fine for learning. It should absolutely not be a reason not to go to a school.

Just focus on your apps, get interviews and decide whats best for you.
 
....PBL then was new, and yes it was a mess, THEN. I'm very happy to hear that it is much smoother now....

To be fair, I really should have mentioned that PBL was pretty messy in the "old" days compared to today. They started it with the idea that just anyone, even a trained monkey (or a secretary), could be a facilitator because the group really "leads" itself. That is far from the case, IMO. Quite a few of the facilitators weren't too thrilled with it at the beginning and it showed. For the most part, the facilitators have gotten better....but there are a few that still don't get it. There are still too many "chiefs" telling you how to do things and you get some contradictory advice from time to time. When you really do follow the system, though, things work out rather well. Those people who "buck" the system tend to perform not so well.
 
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