Which schools do not favor URM?

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SDN Family,

Im applying URM. Hispanic Male. Currently narrowing my list of schools to apply to. Although I know at many schools i may be at an advantage as a URM, i have also been told by peers that some schools actually do not favor minority applicants. Looking on the MSAR, some schools encompass a very very small portion of minority students in the matriculant demographics section. Whether this is due to the lack of minority applicants (which i dont think) or the deferring of minorities' applications (which i have been told by some current students is implicitly true), im just seeking to narrow my school list by eliminating schools that may not favor so highly as other schools URM applicants. So if you can list any and all schools you know that i may be better off selecting a different school instead according to this knowledge please Let me know. Im pretty average statistically, maybe a little above average for hispanics. cGPA =3.69, sGPA =3.74, MCAT =30

Thanks guys!
 
California and Michigan schools are supposed to NOT give preference per the law. Now if they do so silently is another story.
 
AdrianVeidt said:
the racist kind
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ha, know any schools that are supposedly "racist". I was told some ad coms are. you can Private message me if you don not want to list the schools here on the thread
 
There is a small portion of student because there is not a lot of people that applies, this the URM concept. I think you're good stats wise:luck:
 
"not favoring one race over another is racist"

allofmywut
 
This has been brought up before. All schools, in order to maintain their LCME accreditation, must prove that they are "not discriminatory" which implicitly means that they must accept some minorities.

Even if a state has a law against affirmative action, that doesn't mean that a school in that state could only accept white males.
 
AdrianVeidt said:
Deferring minorities applications (as OP stated he's aware some schools implicitly do) is very racist.
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I took "some schools actually do not favor minority applicants" as "some schools do not give URM students an advantage over other students, thus putting them on an equal playing field". Which is not racist.
 
typicalindian said:
I took "some schools actually do not favor minority applicants" as "some schools do not give URM students an advantage over other students, thus putting them on an equal playing field". Which is not racist.
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Perception is an amazing cognitive concept.

edit: I didn't see it as that because I strongly question the advantage that black/hispanic/indian people are actually given. Don't think I've ever seen a Native American physician, actually. Either way, no it is not racism if that is how you viewed that statement.
 
1cor1311 said:
some schools actually do not favor minority applicants.
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Seems like those schools aren't taking ethnicity into account. That's perfectly fine. Also, OP, it doesn't matter what schools focus on URMs and what don't. Just apply broadly, have good stats, and you're good. 👍
 
the southern schools
look at the msar

i'm actually not kidding though, I've noticed that their MSAR data has a lower number of minorities compared to other states. and Marshall was put on probation for not having enough minorities enrolled.

Look @ ETSU, Marshall, Kentucky, West Virginia, louisville's numbers, for instance. Hell Alabama doesn't even have matriculant data...there are probably others but I'm too preoccupied to look them up atm

west virginia had 0 black and hispanic students out of their class of 104.
 
random1234 said:
the southern schools
look at the msar

i'm actually not kidding though, I've noticed that their MSAR data has a lower number of minorities compared to other states. and Marshall was put on probation for not having enough minorities enrolled.

Look @ ETSU, Marshall, Kentucky, West Virginia, louisville's numbers, for instance. Hell Alabama doesn't even have matriculant data...there are probably others but I'm too preoccupied to look them up atm

west virginia had 0 black and hispanic students out of their class of 104.
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I think that's more due to a lack of qualified applicants that are interested in those schools. I was invited to interview at a couple of them, but I'd already got in at places I deemed to be more desirable, so I didn't attend. I could see that being a common problem for the schools you mentioned.
 
random1234 said:
the southern schools
look at the msar

i'm actually not kidding though, I've noticed that their MSAR data has a lower number of minorities compared to other states. and Marshall was put on probation for not having enough minorities enrolled.

Look @ ETSU, Marshall, Kentucky, West Virginia, louisville's numbers, for instance. Hell Alabama doesn't even have matriculant data...there are probably others but I'm too preoccupied to look them up atm

west virginia had 0 black and hispanic students out of their class of 104.
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West Virginia has very few minorities and a strong instate preference. Its one of the few places that could actually argue that its class reflects the demographics of the state. I'm sure Marshall and West Virginia would love to have qualified minorities apply so they wouldn't have LCME problems. Discrimination is not the problem.
 
random1234 said:
Look @ ETSU, Marshall, Kentucky, West Virginia, louisville's numbers, for instance. Hell Alabama doesn't even have matriculant data...there are probably others but I'm too preoccupied to look them up atm

west virginia had 0 black and hispanic students out of their class of 104.
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That isn't racist... what you're supporting is that schools should set up quotas to accept a certain amount of minorities. Quotas are unconstitutional. See here.
 
well, this is a personal anecdote, but I'll share it anyway. my family and I used to live in WV when I was little. We moved about 45 mins away into Va, and still live there, but my parent continued to work in WV for like 15 years. Usually residing in a neighboring state is enough to "have ties" and apply. Well we have more than that, with some of my siblings born there even, and my parent taking care of the rural and federally underserved west virginians as a physician when most people wouldn't touch the job with a 10 ft pole.

And when my brother (who is black) applied with a 33 MCAT, he was denied due to "not having enough ties".

If that's not racism I don't know. Just alerting the OP, you all don't have to argue with me. The numbers don't lie.
 
AdrianVeidt said:
Perception is an amazing cognitive concept.

edit: I didn't see it as that because I strongly question the advantage that black/hispanic/indian people are actually given. Don't think I've ever seen a Native American physician, actually. Either way, no it is not racism if that is how you viewed that statement.
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To be fair, I've never seen a Native American in my life. URMs do get an advantage, you just don't see many of them as physicians because so few join the field (hence the need for the URM advantage).
 
1cor1311 said:
SDN Family,

Im applying URM. Hispanic Male. Currently narrowing my list of schools to apply to. Although I know at many schools i may be at an advantage as a URM, i have also been told by peers that some schools actually do not favor minority applicants. Looking on the MSAR, some schools encompass a very very small portion of minority students in the matriculant demographics section. Whether this is due to the lack of minority applicants (which i dont think) or the deferring of minorities' applications (which i have been told by some current students is implicitly true), im just seeking to narrow my school list by eliminating schools that may not favor so highly as other schools URM applicants. So if you can list any and all schools you know that i may be better off selecting a different school instead according to this knowledge please Let me know. Im pretty average statistically, maybe a little above average for hispanics. cGPA =3.69, sGPA =3.74, MCAT =30

Thanks guys!
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Considering the bolded above, as long as you aren't a serial killer, you will be having a very enjoyable interview season. I wouldn't worry too much about schools that don't consider URM. As someone said above, I'm sure some schools silently do even if they arent supposed to. Even if you weren't URM, you'd probably do well if you have a well-rounded application and can interview well.
 
AdrianVeidt said:
Deferring minorities applications (as OP stated he's aware some schools implicitly do) is very racist.
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No, OP asked which schools do not favor URMs. Meaning, at which schools do URMs not have an advantage. That's not the same as "which schools deny URMs on the basis of skin color?"



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Thanks everyone for the help. I see, as usual things got a little carried away in the thread . I didn't mean to spark any hostility fam! Sorry. Yes unfortunately I can't apply too broadly money wise. .im crossing my fingers for the FAP, but even then ill only be applying to about 30 schools. I have it narrowed to around 60 right now. As some posts above show , some schools have very little to zero minority matriculants. Whether that is due to the fact that they level the playing field for URM applicants or are so called slightly racist doesn't concern me. I'm just wondering if (as a minority) I should maybe not apply to certain schools. Like Marshall for instance, or other southern schools as someone mentioned above. Anything that can help me narrow my list of schools is helpful. That's all I'm seeking to do guys. 🙂 and thanks for the help in doing so. There are so many thread already, one even started by me, on which schools have a strong URM advantage. So I wanted to see the other end of the spectrum with this thread. Hey if u know any schools with a strong URM advantage also ill make sure and have hem on my list of schools.! Good luck everyone!!!
 
1cor1311 said:
Thanks everyone for the help. I see, as usual things got a little carried away in the thread . I didn't mean to spark any hostility fam! Sorry. Yes unfortunately I can't apply too broadly money wise. .im crossing my fingers for the FAP, but even then ill only be applying to about 30 schools. I have it narrowed to around 60 right now. As some posts above show , some schools have very little to zero minority matriculants. Whether that is due to the fact that they level the playing field for URM applicants or are so called slightly racist doesn't concern me. I'm just wondering if (as a minority) I should maybe not apply to certain schools. Like Marshall for instance, or other southern schools as someone mentioned above. Anything that can help me narrow my list of schools is helpful. That's all I'm seeking to do guys. 🙂 and thanks for the help in doing so. There are so many thread already, one even started by me, on which schools have a strong URM advantage. So I wanted to see the other end of the spectrum with this thread. Hey if u know any schools with a strong URM advantage also ill make sure and have hem on my list of schools.! Good luck everyone!!!
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60 schools?! 😱 Make sure you're screening out the out of state unfriendly schools. By the time I did that, I had about 30 schools left. Anyways, there are historically black schools that are ONLY for blacks, but I'm not sure if they favor Hispanics as well. I can only name Howard and Morehouse off the top of my head but there may be more. You should look into it.
 
TheShaker said:
60 schools?! 😱 Make sure you're screening out the out of state unfriendly schools. By the time I did that, I had about 30 schools left. Anyways, there are historically black schools that are ONLY for blacks, but I'm not sure if they favor Hispanics as well. I can only name Howard and Morehouse off the top of my head but there may be more. You should look into it.
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They aren't only for blacks. Meharry is the third one.
 
1cor1311 said:
Thanks everyone for the help. I see, as usual things got a little carried away in the thread . I didn't mean to spark any hostility fam! Sorry. Yes unfortunately I can't apply too broadly money wise. .im crossing my fingers for the FAP, but even then ill only be applying to about 30 schools. I have it narrowed to around 60 right now. As some posts above show , some schools have very little to zero minority matriculants. Whether that is due to the fact that they level the playing field for URM applicants or are so called slightly racist doesn't concern me. I'm just wondering if (as a minority) I should maybe not apply to certain schools. Like Marshall for instance, or other southern schools as someone mentioned above. Anything that can help me narrow my list of schools is helpful. That's all I'm seeking to do guys. 🙂 and thanks for the help in doing so. There are so many thread already, one even started by me, on which schools have a strong URM advantage. So I wanted to see the other end of the spectrum with this thread. Hey if u know any schools with a strong URM advantage also ill make sure and have hem on my list of schools.! Good luck everyone!!!
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There are very few URMs matriculating every year. The fact that a very large percentage of those URMs end up at Meharry, Howard, and Morehouse and also that there are 138 other medical schools in the US should make it obvious that there is a very low statistical likelihood that URMs will accumulate in large amounts at any one school.
 
1cor1311 said:
Thanks everyone for the help. I see, as usual things got a little carried away in the thread . I didn't mean to spark any hostility fam! Sorry. Yes unfortunately I can't apply too broadly money wise. .im crossing my fingers for the FAP, but even then ill only be applying to about 30 schools. I have it narrowed to around 60 right now. As some posts above show , some schools have very little to zero minority matriculants. Whether that is due to the fact that they level the playing field for URM applicants or are so called slightly racist doesn't concern me. I'm just wondering if (as a minority) I should maybe not apply to certain schools. Like Marshall for instance, or other southern schools as someone mentioned above. Anything that can help me narrow my list of schools is helpful. That's all I'm seeking to do guys. 🙂 and thanks for the help in doing so. There are so many thread already, one even started by me, on which schools have a strong URM advantage. So I wanted to see the other end of the spectrum with this thread. Hey if u know any schools with a strong URM advantage also ill make sure and have hem on my list of schools.! Good luck everyone!!!
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Don't you think that's 10 too many schools?
 
It's the same everywhere for Hispanics. There are no historically HIspanic colleges. Be in the top 15-20% of your demographic and you should get accepted somewhere.
 
Arbor Vitae said:
It's the same everywhere for Hispanics. There are no historically HIspanic colleges. Be in the top 15-20% of your demographic and you should get accepted somewhere.
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Why the new name?
 
Arbor Vitae said:
wanted a change and privacy reasons. tried to just get Agonist but it was taken so they changed it to my second choice.
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But if you put "formerly ..." right under your username doesn't that defeat the purpose of privacy?
 
MedPR said:
But if you put "formerly ..." right under your username doesn't that defeat the purpose of privacy?
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yeah, well I thought I'd leave the formerly part for a little while to let people know who I am. i thought the name had negative connotations
 
African medical schools.. anyone that isn't from africa is a URM there
 
Arbor Vitae said:
yeah, well I thought I'd leave the formerly part for a little while to let people know who I am. i thought the name had negative connotations
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Oh ok 👍

I thought about a name change, but my post count would probably give it away. I'm going to start a new account once school starts.
 
Arbor Vitae said:
yeah, well I thought I'd leave the formerly part for a little while to let people know who I am. i thought the name had negative connotations
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Formerly who????!

On my phone. 🙁
 
Can you share the list of schools? SDN might be able to help you narrow down the list.

You probably don't want to apply to 30 schools because quite frankly, it will be so much work in such a short amount of time that your applications to all the schools will suffer. Pick 20 or so that you can really see yourself going to & have a chance at. Again, SDN is great at helping people to narrow down their lists 🙂
 
FutureDocsWife said:
Can you share the list of schools? SDN might be able to help you narrow down the list.

You probably don't want to apply to 30 schools because quite frankly, it will be so much work in such a short amount of time that your applications to all the schools will suffer. Pick 20 or so that you can really see yourself going to & have a chance at. Again, SDN is great at helping people to narrow down their lists 🙂
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Concur. I applied to 32ish and it was a pain.

mcloaf said:
Formerly who????!

On my phone. 🙁
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double post.
 
random1234 said:
the southern schools
look at the msar

i'm actually not kidding though, I've noticed that their MSAR data has a lower number of minorities compared to other states. and Marshall was put on probation for not having enough minorities enrolled.

Look @ ETSU, Marshall, Kentucky, West Virginia, louisville's numbers, for instance. Hell Alabama doesn't even have matriculant data...there are probably others but I'm too preoccupied to look them up atm

west virginia had 0 black and hispanic students out of their class of 104.
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Just because a SOM doesnt' have many URMs does not mean that they're anti-URM. Your comment about Alabama suggests that you think Alabama SOM isnt' friendly to URMs. That is not true. It wants more URMs. However, the problem it has faced is that URMs in the state usualy get awesome offers from schools elite privates. One of my older friends, a URM, got a free ride to a top private SOM. Alabama accepted and offered money as well, but the lure of the private big name won out.

Here are the matriculated African American numbers at Alabama SOM for each year.


African Americans Matriculated each year
2007- 11
08 - 14
09 - 10
10 - 11
11 - 7

I think those numbers are better than a number of SOMs
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ones that are more interested in accepting the best potentials rather than worrying about being PC
 
SOMBound13 said:
Just because a SOM doesnt' have many URMs does not mean that they're anti-URM. Your comment about Alabama suggests that you think Alabama SOM isnt' friendly to URMs. That is not true. It wants more URMs. However, the problem it has faced is that URMs in the state usualy get awesome offers from schools elite privates. One of my older friends, a URM, got a free ride to a top private SOM. Alabama accepted and offered money as well, but the lure of the private big name won out.

Here are the matriculated African American numbers at Alabama SOM for each year.


African Americans Matriculated each year
2007- 11
08 - 14
09 - 10
10 - 11
11 - 7

I think those numbers are better than a number of SOMs
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How big is Alabama's class?

Edit: Alabama has a fairly large class size. 7/176 is not better than very many schools.

Arkansas: 9/167
Mississipi: 15/135
LSU-NO: 10/187
LSU-Shreveport: 6/118
Georgia: 18/230
 
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