Who here has done an informal (Open University) postbacc and what was it like for u?

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Hey guys....I was thinking of applying to the postbacc ppep program at UC Irvine...I graduated from UCI with an overall gpa of 2.9...my first two years were terrible terrible terrible...3rd year was eh, 4th year was on the rise, 5th year was amazing with dean's list all the way through and two 4.0 quarters with upper division classes and labs. I would apply to an SMP and am actually planning on doing so for next year, but only after I take a year of UG postbacc to show that I can maintain high grades at the UG level and also to pull my gpa up a bit. Another reason I am going back to UG is because I want a better research opportunity which I have been offered at the UCI Medical Center. Anyway, the reason for this post is that I just wanted to find out what peoples' thoughts are of open university programs and what not because that is what I am planning on doing. I know they are expensive, and I know you get last priority enrollment, but what I really want to know is if they worked for you and where you are today/what you are doing next?

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IWannaBe-A-Dr said:
Hey guys....I was thinking of applying to the postbacc ppep program at UC Irvine...I graduated from UCI with an overall gpa of 2.9...my first two years were terrible terrible terrible...3rd year was eh, 4th year was on the rise, 5th year was amazing with dean's list all the way through and two 4.0 quarters with upper division classes and labs. I would apply to an SMP and am actually planning on doing so for next year, but only after I take a year of UG postbacc to show that I can maintain high grades at the UG level and also to pull my gpa up a bit. Another reason I am going back to UG is because I want a better research opportunity which I have been offered at the UCI Medical Center. Anyway, the reason for this post is that I just wanted to find out what peoples' thoughts are of open university programs and what not because that is what I am planning on doing. I know they are expensive, and I know you get last priority enrollment, but what I really want to know is if they worked for you and where you are today/what you are doing next?


anyone.....please?
 
After graduating from UCD, I did an unofficial post-bacc through UCD Extension using their open campus program.

Pros:

1) Stayed in Davis, and continued to do research at UCDSOM.

2) Familiar with classes, environment, and professors.

3) Didn't have to move.

Cons:

1) Registration sucked. Was last priority....freshman had higher priority than me. Professors had to sign a sheet to let you in, and some classes (engineering) required a signature from the dept. chair.

2) Processing of your class sucks too. If your class has online resources (e.g.: lecture PDFs, online quizzes), then if there is any delay with Extension's processing, you could have many issues.

3) Not on email list. Since one normally loses their school email after graduating, and for reasons stated in #2, you are usually not on the class email list, so you may not receive important information. You can remedy this by having the professor manually add your email. I lucked out, since I worked for UCDSOM, i still retained the my UCD email.

4) Costs. It costs an arm and a leg to do open campus through Extension. You will essentially pay 50%+ more than an undergrad if you choose to go full time (12 units). So now you will have to weigh the costs, and the yield. If you just take 2 classes at a time, and get a 4.0, it won't look nearly as good as taking a full-time load and getting a 4.0. But that costs a lot.

In my opinion, if you don't have any other choice, you can suck it up and do it. I did it for 1.5 years but said screw it and went to grad school at UCD. Although it was quite a hassel, I did get into all the classes I wanted (biomedical engineering). Some classes (engineering classes), I had to wait 1-2 weeks before the professor let me in. For grad school, I am currently able to enroll in upper division undergrad courses as electives. These are still considered "post-bacc". Therefore I'm essentially doing both a PhD, and a post-bacc program😉, and get to do it for free. In your case you may have a hard time with that due to a lower overall GPA. If i recall UC requires at least a 3.0 to even apply to grad school, and you will need to take the GRE. There are exceptions depending on the program, but thats something you will have to ask around at UCI. I had a sub-3.0 GPA, however had a 3.4 for post-bacc and a 36 on the MCAT (program chair made an exception to sub my MCAT for the GRE). So my graduate program gave me a conditional admission where I had to get atleast a 3.0 GPA when I started classes.

Personally you should address the low GPA over any other factor on your application. Any amount of research experience will pale in comparison to a low GPA. Recall that at UC's, you will be automatically rejected post-primary application due to the screening process (cut-off 3.0-3.2) regardless of GPA trends, and extracurriculars. MCAT and GPA are treated equally at UCs, and thus doing well in one does not make up for the other per se. If you can do an SMP, that would be great. Make sure it is well known (e.g.: at the schools you apply to). Otherwise, you may have to look into applying to a post-bacc program, or go through open campus.
 
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I enrolled as a 2nd degree student. I was eligible for funding of student loans. I will have about 2-3 years of classes (mostly science - I was an econ major though). This was the best route for me.

I will be applying next summer, with no plans of getting in. If I don't get in then I will be enlisted in a masters program at the medical school of my choice and reapplying. I will be taking classes for the next 4 years but I will get in.

This might not be relavant to you as it sounds like you have a science degree so I didn't go into detail but I wanted ot let you know that some people do it!
 
yeah...thanks for the replies guys...anymore would be greatly appreciated...

but just for more info...i have weighed my other options right now, and the openU postbacc looks like its hte best for me. im priveleged enough to come from an upper middle class background and money shouldn't be a problem for the openU...for a 4 unit class, they are charging 731 dollars...i am planning on taking 12 units a quarter for 4 quarters, then applying to a master's program after that. i know i need to address my UG gpa first before applying to masters because of my low early college performance and low gpa overall. any more advice would be greatly appreciated, even regarding routes other people may have taken...


thanks guys, i love this forum.
 
I don't know how much help this will be to you but...

I am enrolling as a second bacc student. I will be taking pre-reqs first so allow for more options. My UG GPA was awful...I mean really, really pitiful...it showed that I was merely breathing (but only sometimes). So, I will be taking pre-reqs and fluff to try to raise it enough to get into a formal post-bacc. (I have not tried to get into one as of yet...my GPA really is THAT bad.) This will allow me to have a GPA separate from my UG, rather than getting a full second UG but all of the grades being averaged with the super bad ones...I am a different person than I was then and I want a different GPA to reflect that. If I don't get in, I will continue working on my second degree (which is in a field in which I have been employed for the past 10 years) and use the time to study for the MCAT. The upside is that I can apply at any point. Whether I get in is another story. But, if I don't, I will know what I am doing the next year...working toward that second degree and reapplying...perhaps retaking the MCAT.

Downside...lack of the structure of a formal program, no preferential registration times..

But, don't forget...you are eligible for student loans as well.

I have done a lot of thinking about this. Hopefully it helps. :luck:
 
Hello...

I also did an "unoffical" post-bac through open enrollment at UC Davis. I did 12-14 units of upper-division science classes for a year.

I agree with most of what relentless11 said, especially the pros. As for the cons, if the money issue isn't a big deal for you, then it really isn't that bad. The registration process is a little tedious but most of the professors I had were aware and really accommodating. After doing it one time, it should be pretty easy.

I'm a little confused as to why you want to do a post-bac AND an SMP? If your intention is to prove that you can handle a rigorous courseload, then one year of upper-division science is all you need. This was the information I got from the director of admissions from UCD.

And yes, it worked for me. I will be matriculating this fall (class of 2010).
 
Annabella said:
Hello...

I also did an "unoffical" post-bac through open enrollment at UC Davis. I did 12-14 units of upper-division science classes for a year.

I agree with most of what relentless11 said, especially the pros. As for the cons, if the money issue isn't a big deal for you, then it really isn't that bad. The registration process is a little tedious but most of the professors I had were aware and really accommodating. After doing it one time, it should be pretty easy.

I'm a little confused as to why you want to do a post-bac AND an SMP? If your intention is to prove that you can handle a rigorous courseload, then one year of upper-division science is all you need. This was the information I got from the director of admissions from UCD.

And yes, it worked for me. I will be matriculating this fall (class of 2010).

Yea, the director of admissions said the same thing to me too. The thing that I'm dealing now is how UCD is going to view the med school and vet school courses I took as part of my PhD degree. They're probably the only school that'll recognize what these classes are. Luckily I also have the post-bacc I took through open campus, and more recently UG classes that I took as electives for my PhD. I'm not too concerned, at the very least, its a good thing, but the million dollar question is, is that gonna get me into the school..lol.🙂
 
Annabella said:
I'm a little confused as to why you want to do a post-bac AND an SMP? If your intention is to prove that you can handle a rigorous courseload, then one year of upper-division science is all you need. This was the information I got from the director of admissions from UCD.

And yes, it worked for me. I will be matriculating this fall (class of 2010).

WOW, congratulations on that, thats dope!! well, it would be lovely if i could get an acceptance right after the post-bacc, but i figure, since i am not going to be applying till next june, i at least want to do something during the year of waiting to boost my resume even further in case i don't get in anywhere. for the smp, i will have to take out student loans, but am willing to take the hit to achieve my final goal...if you dont mind me asking you Annabella, what were your stats, where are you matriculating, and where did u apply and get interviews/acceptances?? thanks so much for hte help, its been great.
 
i'm graduating in may and will be finishing up some prereqs and also taking a few upper science courses at my local university... i'm hoping i can pull it off and not have to do a formal (way too expensive). i think it will just take a lot of discipline and focus doing it at your own pace, but it's do-able. now i have a question... if i already took a couple of upper level courses (genetics and immunology) and did horiible (C-/D), should i just leave it as is or re-take those as well? i totally messed up that one semester and want to re-take it so that i could prove that i made a mistake and can fix it.. what do you guys think?
 
I took classes at both a Cal State and a UC and I was very happy with it. Almost all the classes I took were "full" but I got into all my classes because so many people would drop over the first few weeks. If you need to do lower division classes like Chem labs then you will have more of a problem getting into the classes. Upper division classes were no problem because there was plenty of space. I never had any problem getting professors to sign the enrollment forms either. Many were very helpful and I had no problem getting into research or obtaining LOR's. You should do a post-bacc until you at least get your gpa to 3.0 because that is the automatic "cut-off" at many med schools. Also if you want to save money take the classes where they are on a semester system instead of a quarter system because it usually ends up being cheaper.
 
to everyone that has applied so far, thanks a lot guys and gals, its been a great help..

just for an update...ive decided on doing the open university at a UC for a year and pull my gpa as high as I can above a 3.0, then apply to schools and smp's...

...so far, i have a great clinical research opportunity lined up for the summer through the university and I can't wait to get started on classes again. the only caveat is that through the open university at this school, you are only allowed 8 units per quarter maximum unless you have a written letter of authorization from the a counselor at the student affairs office...my counselor is on vacation for a week until monday, but she already knows my plan and she actually suggested the openU, so i am confident that she'd be willing to authorize me every quarter...i'm glad im getting the ball rolling...ive also been studying my ass of and will be taking the MCAT in August (i never want to have to take it after that, screw a computer based test)

again, thanks for all the help, any more words of encouragement and advice would be great!!
 
Annabella said:
Hello...

I also did an "unoffical" post-bac through open enrollment at UC Davis. I did 12-14 units of upper-division science classes for a year.

I agree with most of what relentless11 said, especially the pros. As for the cons, if the money issue isn't a big deal for you, then it really isn't that bad. The registration process is a little tedious but most of the professors I had were aware and really accommodating. After doing it one time, it should be pretty easy.

I'm a little confused as to why you want to do a post-bac AND an SMP? If your intention is to prove that you can handle a rigorous courseload, then one year of upper-division science is all you need. This was the information I got from the director of admissions from UCD.

And yes, it worked for me. I will be matriculating this fall (class of 2010).
I am sorry. What's SMP? Can you tell me the courses in post-bacc is undergrad or grad? Thanks.
 
i think that if you're already showing a strong upward trend, to go ahead and apply to the smp for this fall (BU and GT are still accepting...if you have a strong upward trend and an okay MCAT, they'll take you).

An extra year may help you boost your GPA but it really wont "do much" (since you've already "proven yourself" in your 3rd/4th year). I did an open university/extension through UCI myself (before doing the BU SMP) mainly because my ug grades absolutely sucked and I didnt really have any upward trend to prove. It was worth it (since I needed the trend) but like someone mentioned above, registration SUCKED and it was expensive. you pretty much get last dibs on classes, so for 2 weeks into the quarter, you were in a limbo (because nothing was guaranteed until then) so I had to go to all the classes I would possibly register into.

so yeah, pm me for questions. hope this helps!
 
nicnicinc said:
I am sorry. What's SMP? Can you tell me the courses in post-bacc is undergrad or grad? Thanks.

smp = special master's programs. there are a couple smps (georgetown, busm, drexel, rfu) and they allow you to take some medical school classes at these schools. sometimes it is in the same classroom sitting next to actual med students or via live video feed at another campus (drexel). these classes do NOT help your UG GPA and are counted as grad since they are at the master's level. these programs are more for ppl with borderline UG GPAs but good everything else (MCAT, EC, LORs, etc); though it won't raise your UG GPA, it can show med schools that are only worried about your ability to handle medical level classes that you can do it. they have cutoff UG GPAs (usually at least 3.0) and MCAT scores (eg - georgetown won't accept anyone with < 27 and for their program, you can't substitute the GRE). smp's tend to be even more competitive to get into than post-baccs in my opinion. smp is not the same as a post-bacc program.

as i said before, post-bacc courses are counted toward your UG GPA. there are 2 types of post-baccs - one for non-science majors to take the premed pre-reqs and another for ppl with the pre-reqs who need to raise their UG GPA and usually allow you to take upper division science courses (usually bio classes, stats, etc).
 
the alchemist said:
smp = special master's programs. there are a couple smps (georgetown, busm, drexel, rfu) and they allow you to take some medical school classes at these schools. sometimes it is in the same classroom sitting next to actual med students or via live video feed at another campus (drexel). these classes do NOT help your UG GPA and are counted as grad since they are at the master's level. these programs are more for ppl with borderline UG GPAs but good everything else (MCAT, EC, LORs, etc); though it won't raise your UG GPA, it can show med schools that are only worried about your ability to handle medical level classes that you can do it. they have cutoff UG GPAs (usually at least 3.0) and MCAT scores (eg - georgetown won't accept anyone with < 27 and for their program, you can't substitute the GRE). smp's tend to be even more competitive to get into than post-baccs in my opinion. smp is not the same as a post-bacc program.

as i said before, post-bacc courses are counted toward your UG GPA. there are 2 types of post-baccs - one for non-science majors to take the premed pre-reqs and another for ppl with the pre-reqs who need to raise their UG GPA and usually allow you to take upper division science courses (usually bio classes, stats, etc).
Thank you very much. Your answer is very detail.
 
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