Who is the most successful pharmacist you personally know?

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I am not talking about the founder of home depot or inventor of Coke. I am talking about someone who you personally know.

95% of the pharmacists I know are very similar…$150,000 salary, 1 or 2 kids, live in the suburbs. Nothing special. A few pharmacist friends climbed the corporate and academia ladder but they are not close to being wealthy. Another one got into the rental game early. He is well off but nothing like generational wealth. The majority of pharmacists I know are not big risk taker. They are content with the status quo, just as long as they get their (small) piece of the pie.
 
The most successful one I know is actually a c suite clinical leader. They live in an oceanfront home in LA, have shares in the company etc whole 9 yards.

I do suspect their lifestyle has more to do with a rich spouse that their own role?
 
Back in my day when I was a tech, I worked with a pharmacist who had political power being a mayor at one point (nothing crazy but definitely not your typical risk averse RPh). Definitely an interesting guy who was capable of switching things up…previously he was also a mechanic and chiropractor
 
The COO of our hospital system - he pulled in over $600,000 last year according to tax filings - live in a medium cost of living mid-sized city.
 
I am not talking about the founder of home depot or inventor of Coke. I am talking about someone who you personally know.

95% of the pharmacists I know are very similar…$150,000 salary, 1 or 2 kids, live in the suburbs. Nothing special. A few pharmacist friends climbed the corporate and academia ladder but they are not close to being wealthy. Another one got into the rental game early. He is well off but nothing like generational wealth. The majority of pharmacists I know are not big risk taker. They are content with the status quo, just as long as they get their (small) piece of the pie.
Well, since all my acquaintances and friends are losers, I have to step outside the "personally" know, to make this interesting!
Living in Atlanta for over 44 years, my personal hero, Don Panoz. Met him several times, since motorsports and auto racing is our common passion. He started off as a Pharmacy store manager in Ohio. Invented the transdermal patch delivery system. Started Mylan Pharmaceuticals, then sold it and got into motorsports, brought sports car racing back to the US. Bought 2-3 race tracks. Started a car manufacturing company. He came up with the nicotine patch, yet was a life long smoker. He died at 80+ from Pancreatic Cancer, after he smoked one last cigarette. Net worth, about $500 million.

The other two are Arthur Blank, dad was a pharmacist, he ran a drug wholesaler. Then met up with Bernie Marcus, a retail pharmacist. Started Home Depot at the age of 50+. Now their name is on a whole bunch of hospitals and rehabs,. Each worth $11+ Billion.
All Atlanta residents.

What is incredible is, they all started out as working class people like us, well into their 50s. NOTHING was handed to them. It's probably too late for me, I am 65. Oh, well.
 
The COO of our hospital system - he pulled in over $600,000 last year according to tax filings - live in a medium cost of living mid-sized city.
When I was with Wellstar, the CEO was a Retail Pharmacist, out of Dalton, Ga. An old time druggist. Wellstar grew to 15-16 hospitals, now he is retired.
Wellstar is a privately held hospital system, he was in the $millions with stock options.
 
I personally know:
1. Bruce Paddock (near retirement)
2. John Musil (before he was an owner)
3. Steve Simenson (when he was a struggling two pharmacy owner)

There's plenty of pharmacists around MN that pull in serious money (500k+) as there's five major health insurance companies and two pharmaceuticals in town with major presences. Many of the faculty do too.

Define wealthy though. If wealthy means that that your liquid assets pay out a post-tax pharmacist salary, yeah, practically all the tenured (not clinical) faculty are in that state here due to profit sharing. If you mean that all the kids of those faculty will inherit that post-tax where there is definitely estate taxes on themselves, that's about 40-60 of the faculty here or so.

Everyone works here, and success at the $150k is quite great, I resent pharmacy's envy because we really do have it good. About two-thirds of my students go on to normal success in pharmacy. One-sixth epically fail (usually drug related, sometimes depression). The other sixth read Ayn Rand, realize that at the point when you recognize that you are God, you will be God and pursue their best life, and it's been rewarding.

For my graduating class (now 21 years out) which outside of the four youngest people were all non-traditional,

1. An eighth (~13) ended up deka-millionaires really not even hustling, but just working their jobs, saving money, and investing well.
2. An eighth have lost their licenses (12) for various reasons such as failure to pay child support (5), substance abuse with PAPA or in another state (4), cheese pizza (2), fraud (1)
3. Something like a fourth have retired.
4. 7 are dead. One from glioblastoma, two from suicide (including the second youngest in the class and our class clown), two from a car accidents (not at fault), one KIA Foreign Service (was USAID), one murdered by someone she knew.
5. 1 Dean, Two Endowed Professors, Three Professors (one who is also a Provost - VP Research), one Associate Professor, and something like 15 or so non-tenured academicians.
6. Seven DM's or higher at the Big Three (Walgreens, CVS, Walmart) and two for the local chains (whatever they call Apothecary Shoppe now and Kroger)
7. 5 Senior Directors for PhRMA and BIO (not coincidentally, the most conventionally attractive members of my class)
8. And the rest, live normal, successful lives as far as I know. There's a stereotype that I have of that group, a naturalized Irishman who works as a long-time Pharmacy Manager at Bashas. Genial man, full of corny jokes, sent a brood of kids to college who are good, well-adjusted citizens, quietly happy marriage, golf fanatic.

Yes, I was both class and school Secretary in those days. It's still my job to keep that up. I don't know about your relationships with your classmates, but how firm our friendship defines ours. We were all working people in the program, all of us had 1200+ hours prior, and we definitely came to school to get a job. I don't miss school, but I do miss them up here. Whenever I return back to my childhood home state (and will do so next week), it's great to see them out and about in town mostly living the dream.
 
I personally know one that graduated pharmacy school and immediately went into real estate for ~10 years in the 90s prior to ever working as a pharmacist. Now he’s working ~7 days per week at a chain. He pulls in around $200k from pharmacy and approximately that much more from his real estate portfolio (SFRs and a couple hotels). Not crazy rich, but I would consider wealthy.
 
I am not talking about the founder of home depot or inventor of Coke. I am talking about someone who you personally know.

95% of the pharmacists I know are very similar…$150,000 salary, 1 or 2 kids, live in the suburbs. Nothing special. A few pharmacist friends climbed the corporate and academia ladder but they are not close to being wealthy. Another one got into the rental game early. He is well off but nothing like generational wealth. The majority of pharmacists I know are not big risk taker. They are content with the status quo, just as long as they get their (small) piece of the pie.
You are kind of describing the behavior or lifestyle of most high earning professionals.

I am a physician and all my physician friends have that typical lifestyle you describe, even if some make > 500k/yr.

My impression is people that are in 90-99th percentile of income bracket are very risk averse. Don't want to rock the boat when life is already good.

What do you consider wealthy? A few in my circle that are still in their 40s and early 50s have net worth between 5 to 10m.
 
Seems like everyone defines success by the amount of money they make. I would define it by happiness and how one has contributed to society or to their communities. Sounds corny, I know.
One can make a case that anyone who is a law abiding working citizen is already contributing to society.
 
Seems like everyone defines success by the amount of money they make. I would define it by happiness and how one has contributed to society or to their communities. Sounds corny, I know.
Welcome back Caverject!
 
You are kind of describing the behavior or lifestyle of most high earning professionals.

I am a physician and all my physician friends have that typical lifestyle you describe, even if some make > 500k/yr.

My impression is people that are in 90-99th percentile of income bracket are very risk averse. Don't want to rock the boat when life is already good.

What do you consider wealthy? A few in my circle that are still in their 40s and early 50s have net worth between 5 to 10m.
I actually do not consider myself as “rich”. At the same time, I don’t think having an extra 3m would have changed my mentality
 
I actually do not consider myself as “rich”. At the same time, I don’t think having an extra 3m would have changed my mentality
I don't know your net worth, but having a net worth between 5-10m might be considered rich to most because that put you in the 96-98th percentile of net worth. It's ok that might not change your mentality; after all individuals with 5m vs. 10m probably can have similar lifestyle (if their net worth is not tied up in their homes).


One thing people should realize there are levels to these thing but that does not mean you are not rich. If you are on the top percentile of net worth, you are rich by almost all standard. Yes, you won't have Gulf-stream G700 like the billionaires.

You probably saw the interview in which Odell Beckham Jr (NFL player) said a 5-yr 100m contract is not a lot of money, and broke it down how much that will ultimate be after taxes/fees etc... It's a lot money to most but not to him.



It's just there are different levels of being rich.
 
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I don't know your net worth, but having a net worth between 5-10m might be considered rich to most because that put you in the 96-98th percentile of net worth. It's ok that might not change your mentality; after all individuals with 5m vs. 10m probably can have similar lifestyle (if their net worth is not tied up in their homes).


One thing people should realize there are levels to these thing but that does not mean you are not rich. If you are on the top percentile of net worth, you are rich by almost all standard. Yes, you won't have Gulf-stream G700 like the billionaires.

You probably saw the interview in which Odell Beckham Jr (NFL player) said a 5-yr 100m contract is not a lot of money, and broke it down how much that will ultimate be after taxes/fees etc... It's a lot money to most but not to him.



It's just there are different levels of being rich.


For me, being rich depends on a combination of assets and liabilities. For our household, each of us have a liquid passive income more than twice the median income for our roles ($270k for me given the median income of $135k for pharmacists, $380k for the median IP attorney in my wife's case) and actually quite a bit more. We have absolutely no liabilities as a separate passive fund pays all taxes, all upkeep, etc. We have liquid above that range, and nonliquid in that range. Everyone figures out a money sink at that amount. Ours happens to be "security."

One of our nonliquid assets that will take care of us should the economy completely fail is a farm that sells to JBS and Cargill, and is fully paid off with land, equipment, and labor. It's not anywhere near as performing as the stock market, but we both wanted a nonliquid asset that has a major personal utility function. In terms of learning, I can tell you that sellling heads of cattle run us around $125 a head in profit right now even with beef prices skyrocketing because of the structural imbalance in the market and herd size, but having cattle access is really nice. I can't believe that there is such a thing as a stupid farmer owner in modern America given how razor-thin the margins are and the unwritten requirement that you have to know the commodity markets, or you go bankrupt. For 1200 acres, the ending profit is like $55k after paying for labor, fuel, insurance, and other expenses. As you can probably tell from the writing, the farm isn't run as a tax write-off like many physicians I know.

Both of us were highly influenced by Dmitry Orlov's books about living through an economic collapse and the difference between someone who has material assets (gold, currency, etc.) vs. someone who has utility assets (farm, power generation, access to labor like a gang). What's money worth without security? We also have rather good disability insurance and bought a Charter House condo at Rochester to be grandfathered into the Mayo system's for long-term care.

Wealthy is having a majordomo or equivalent such that you don't even deal with money. In present day, that can be as low as $10M using the 2% rule for a funds manager, but most in my circles define wealthy as having sufficient assets to have a family office. At the 2% rule, that's $50M or so.

Being rich is a reasonable attainment for us without necessarily going to the extremes Momus and perhaps BMB did. We don't invest in the market at all, preferring index funds and just making money. An average pharmacist couple should be in the $3-4M range adjusted for inflation with two children on retirement with the historical market. I'm hoping Momus and BMB have made their magic numbers and are enjoying life away from it all. As for me, I like to see how this turns out, and I love what I do in academia and government.

I hope you all make enough and are in a good enough job that you don't think about these issues and just live the good life. What's sad is that many don't. But given AI, the chain pharmacy debacle, and the upcoming hospital collapses, I remind you all that I have always observed that survival to voluntary retirement (30 years) in our line of work is somewhat rare. I used to think it was 40% or so of those who were consistenly full-time, I think it is less now. It was not easy in our parent's time, and it doesn't look great for us right now.
 
You are kind of describing the behavior or lifestyle of most high earning professionals.

I am a physician and all my physician friends have that typical lifestyle you describe, even if some make > 500k/yr.

My impression is people that are in 90-99th percentile of income bracket are very risk averse. Don't want to rock the boat when life is already good.

What do you consider wealthy? A few in my circle that are still in their 40s and early 50s have net worth between 5 to 10m.
For most of us in the 90-99th percentile, success isn’t sexy, it’s a long predictable game. As you stated, consistency and discipline will yield a high net worth
 
For most of us in the 90-99th percentile, success isn’t sexy, it’s a long predictable game. As you stated, consistency and discipline will yield a high net worth
I agree. I take calculated risks. No need for me to YOLO. I somewhat already have financial security. Why risk it?

I can pay my bills. I can travel 2+ times/yr and stay in 4-5 stars hotel. I dont even look at prices when I go out to eat. I will be ok for at least a year if I lose my job tomorrow. I could not say that 4yrs+6months ago when I was a resident living paycheck-to-paycheck; why risk all of that to make extra money, which might not change my lifestyle significantly.
 
Respectfully, if you need to work to maintain your desirable lifestyle then you are not wealthy in my book. If you need the stock market to go up 8% per year then you are not wealthy. If you need the rents from your rental properties then you are not wealthy.

You are “comfortable” at the moment but you know in the back of your mind any one of those things can change overnight.
 
Respectfully, if you need to work to maintain your desirable lifestyle then you are not wealthy in my book. If you need the stock market to go up 8% per year then you are not wealthy. If you need the rents from your rental properties then you are not wealthy.

You are “comfortable” at the moment but you know in the back of your mind any one of those things can change overnight.
New goal in life: Get into bluc's book.
 
Respectfully, if you need to work to maintain your desirable lifestyle then you are not wealthy in my book. If you need the stock market to go up 8% per year then you are not wealthy. If you need the rents from your rental properties then you are not wealthy.

You are “comfortable” at the moment but you know in the back of your mind any one of those things can change overnight.
You have a point. My parents both worked solid jobs and I definitely lived an upper middle class life growing up but my mom always reminded of something to the effect of: “We’re not wealthy, we’re rich. If the music stops at work so does this.”

They made some solid financial decisions that now ensure they can live a comparable lifestyle in retirement.
 
Respectfully, if you need to work to maintain your desirable lifestyle then you are not wealthy in my book. If you need the stock market to go up 8% per year then you are not wealthy. If you need the rents from your rental properties then you are not wealthy.

You are “comfortable” at the moment but you know in the back of your mind any one of those things can change overnight.
One caveat, for certain kinds of people, working is not a financial problem, it's a domination and vices matter. There are quite a number of faculty I know (including one's I've supervised), that still teach for certain opportunities with students and junior faculty (satisfies both issues) when we all know they're rich enough to not need to work given their spending habits.

Cough:


Same with many attorneys, some of the very best have more far money than expenses and will never be in trouble even if profligate, but the adulation of their peers and the suffering of their enemies is what gets them to work in the morning. My wife's best friend is well-known to be that way, and he's a great guy and family man otherwise, but if he doesn't get to screw over people in his corporate ligitation job every month, he feels down. If you ever do management, you have to be much more careful when you're dealing with those types as the usual rules don't apply.

You're successful because you have to be, and sometimes that isn't about money.
 
Seems like everyone defines success by the amount of money they make. I would define it by happiness and how one has contributed to society or to their communities. Sounds corny, I know.
Not corny at all. Once a certain amount of cash/security is obtained increases may not necessarily equate to happiness.
 
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