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Can you guys write the resons why you chose allopathy over osteopathy?
Originally posted by JoshD:
•The difference is Osteopathic Manipulative Medicine (OMM). D.O.s are trained in this aspect of medicine and M.D.s are not. It is fairly cut and dry, to my knowledge, what separates a D.O. from an M.D. •••
I addressed that in the post you just "disagreed" with:
They are trained the same for the most part as MD's -- they don't offer anything unique. They do *manipulation* and alternative medicine sure but for the most part they are doctors." ...Any MD can do manipulation once they learn how
If an MD wanted to do manipulation he could take a class. No one argues about the validity of a dental degree as compared to an MD because a dentist offers something unique that MD's don't want to do. No one argues that a nurse is valid or not because they do a lot of good work that MD's don't do and MD's do stuff that nurses are not particularly thrilled about. You guys are blind not to see the disadvantage - be objective - don't get so lost in your own defense mechanisms. Don't get me wrong, if I become an MD and meet you, the DO, as a colleague, I won't think twice about it. I'll know we both paid our dues dearly, and I'll know that our relationship is of equals and no doubt I could learn from you like I can learn from any physician. If I see that you, individually, do superior or shoddy work respectively, i'll judge you individually but not the whole DO field. However, the *public* by and large hasn't heard of DO's - the opportunities are there to do anything, but their wholistic beliefs themselves lend themselves more to gen. prac., and they do have to work harder to prove themselves. I can't believe I'm even arguing about this. Both of my parents are doctors and I preactically grew up in the hospital. I've had to explain numerous times to patients that a DO is a physician just like an MD. Personally, I think it is silly to have a separate degree for a physician who has some different skills/or beliefs about medicine. Geez, look what happened to the church denominations. Somebody asked for almighty proof! Go out on the street and ask ten people if they had life threatening illness would they rather be seen by an MD or a DO. I would guess they wouldn't say MD right away, but that they would say "what's a DO?". Proof? Look in the phone book. How many DO's vs. MD's do you see. That doesn't make MD's better, but as any MBA will tell you market share translates into greater consumer confidence in a product. I *know* DO's are just as competent and trained, but sheez, you guys must be blind or quirked up in the head ( I can't believe I'm even arguing about this) to not see how there is a bias to MD's. I don't believe men are superiot to women or whites superior to minority races (Dr. Black is probably the premier neurosurgeon in the country and he is not just named Dr. Black), but special considerations have been made for some minority groups because there are unfair disadvantages. The biases that exist against groups isn't right, but saying they are not there is not the solution. I am not saying it isn't right the way DO's are perceived, but can't believe you guys think it isn't there. I'm through - this is like arguing with religious fanatics
Originally posted by Jean Valjean:
• That's like saying why did your family immigrate to the US instead of to Canada? Why do you drink Coke instead of RC Cola? Why do you go to McDonalds instead of Burger King? Why do you join the Navy instead of the Coast Gaurd? Why did you call the Police instead of Mall Security? Why did you get the a DVD player when I could have sold you my Beta? Why didn't people apply to DO????!!! Whether you like it or not - DO **DOES** *START* you at a disadvantage .•••
Dude, we get the point...but like Jphazelton said, prove it...
Originally posted by Gaurav Masala:
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Dude, we get the point...but like Jphazelton said, prove it...•••
Jesus Christ - actually he said "prove it, *after* the post you quoted. That post was not meant at all as proof, but actually prompted his statement. - this is insane - if you're going to argue your argument atleast keep up with the thread. \
1. read scrofula's post above
2. in my second post responding to his "prove it request" i offered my opinions about his request.
I never never never said that DO's were not as competent or equally trained or that the even medical community thinks so. Read what I've written. I've only said that the public in general has not heard of DO. Like someone else said in Europe they can't even practice medicine and are considered a kind of chiropractor. I will stand by my stmt of market share - go talk to any MBA prof. before you dispute this based on its logic. The stmt is not founded on logic - that is obvious. Apple makes a MUCH better product but it does not have market share vs. PC's. However, consumers (illogically!) place more confidence in the most popular products. That is a fact albeit illogical one. I still can not believe you guys really are arguing about this. Be a DO, I don't care, but understand how you will be perceived by hospitals and insurance companies when getting hired and how it will make effect your opportunities for match. If you think all will be the same and swell as if you had an MD you are mistaken unless you want to be a country doc or go into family prac. If you want to be a hotshot specialist in a big city, no one said you couldn't do it or be the best, but you are crazy to think a DO degree is not going to make that road different.
Originally posted by Jean Valjean:
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They are trained the same for the most part as MD's -- they don't offer anything unique. They do *manipulation* and alternative medicine sure but for the most part they are doctors." ...Any MD can do manipulation once they learn how
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Just as any MD can practice law if s/he studies it, just as any MD can teach a course in philosophy if s/he studies it just as any MD can practice chiropracty if s/he studies it just as any person can practice medicine if s/he studies it. The DO degree includes the knowledge of manipulation; it is inherent in the degree. Anyone can do whatever s/he wants, but having a degree in that particular area is supposed to mean they have an exceptional knowledge on that subject. That is what makes the DO special and what "unique" bit it adds; anyone could learn it, but their degree says they know it.