Why are docs so uninformed about nutrition and health enhancers?

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So I understand what you're saying about the criticism of what I said, but I'm not sure what the criticizer's belief that the correct representation is, if that makes sense. I don't really see how the two statements differ in meaning. I look at the fool one as a specific case of survival of the fittest.

I think I understand, and I'm happy to explain. In order to get what we're driving at, let's briefly review Darwin's ideas

Darwin made a set of observations and inferences
Observations
1. There are differences between organisms
2. Some differences are inherited
3. Species have more offspring than the environment supports

Inferences
1. Favorable traits lead to organisms leaving more offspring
2. Inability of unfit organisms to survive competition leads to selection for favorable traits

The issue is selection occurs at the level of reproduction. If you survive to the point of reproduction, it doesn't make much sense to speak about "survival of the fittest."

People spending money foolishly is not Darwinian because it does not affect their ability to reproduce. The two are almost entirely independent of one another, and in some cases are actually inversely proportional. One might almost say that the rich are less "fit" in a Darwinian sense than the poor.

So, our fool makes a poor example of "survival of the fittest."
Is this clear, or am I misunderstanding your question?
 
? Um because being overweight doesn't have a medical definition that actually shows people with an excess of fat. I'm overweight, nearly obese by BMI standards and if you saw me in person, you'd never think anything close to that. Same thing if you measured my BF%. If you use junk data to make statements, the statements will be junk too.

Yeah, BMI is a terrible measure, but that's not what I was getting at.

Having a very high bodyfat has NOT been proven to be unhealthy. Nothing indicates that -genuinely- obese people who make good nutritional and lifestyle (sleep, stress, etc) choices + exercise regularly are more prone to illness or have a shorter lifespan. I'd MUCH rather have a fat person like the above than a thin person who doesn't take care of himself/herself.

Hence the comment about the ludicrousness, to me, of the "calories in, calories out" argument. Obesity is the biggest scape goat of the health industry atm, when there are many more important things to care about first.
 
I think America needs a get out of jail cards for unhealthy obese people. Losing weight the traditional way will not change the epidemic, sad but true. Very, very few people can change their ways. In fact, the person who does change and loses weight through basic diet and exercise is a rare unicorn!
 
Speaking of "snake oiling". :eyebrow:

Calories in, calories out? Really? Find me evidence that being overweight, when controlled for diet, exercise and lifestyle, poses serious health risks, and I'll eat my socks.

(p.s. You can't. And you not knowing that as a medical student speaks to how complicated this topic can get.)

Having a very high bodyfat has NOT been proven to be unhealthy. Nothing indicates that -genuinely- obese people who make good nutritional and lifestyle (sleep, stress, etc) choices + exercise regularly are more prone to illness or have a shorter lifespan. I'd MUCH rather have a fat person like the above than a thin person who doesn't take care of himself/herself.

Hence the comment about the ludicrousness, to me, of the "calories in, calories out" argument. Obesity is the biggest scape goat of the health industry atm, when there are many more important things to care about first.

I would love to see you eat your socks. :nod: What kind of evidence would you need to start munching?

Definition

From the CDC:
What are the consequences of overweight and obesity?
Health Consequences

Research has shown that as weight increases to reach the levels referred to as "overweight" and "obesity,"* the risks for the following conditions also increases:

  • Coronary heart disease
  • Type 2 diabetes
  • Cancers (endometrial, breast, and colon)
  • Hypertension (high blood pressure)
  • Dyslipidemia (for example, high total cholesterol or high levels of triglycerides)
  • Stroke
  • Liver and Gallbladder disease
  • Sleep apnea and respiratory problems
  • Osteoarthritis (a degeneration of cartilage and its underlying bone within a joint)
  • Gynecological problems (abnormal menses, infertility)
 
So much pseudoscience blabber.

I'll just say this. We don't give a crap about "fairly well established scientific theory behind how and why they work". We don't practice on theory. We give a crap about "fairly well established evidence if something works or not"

Co-Q10 is the only thing in the long list of garbage "nootropic" that you mentioned that has actually been tested close to an acceptable level. It's the only thing I see indexed by NCCAM and that I can find in my Nutrition Guide for Clinicans pocketbook (CoQ10 only has evidence support for improved heart function). Plenty of doctors prescribe supplement that actually work (melatonin) for their indication.

You can get back to us being so uniformed, when you have studies, not an intellectual masturbation on theory.

I remember something from Goljan audio about CoQ... give it with statins?
 
"when controlled for diet, exercise and lifestyle"

On page 25,26 of the NIH "Guidelines" paper, several studies are cited. Do any of these meet your approval. Is it possible that the cohort you seek does not exist and is therefore irrelevant to any serious discussion of the topic?
 
"when controlled for diet, exercise and lifestyle"

How often do you see an obese individual who remains obese with a similar diet, exercise and lifestyle to a thin person?

Even if such a person exists, is this person really representative of the overall population? The contention is that diet, exercise and lifestyle are the main causes of obesity, which is present in addition to the conditions we're talking about.

It is entirely possible that obesity and chronic disease merely correlate well with one another by coincidence, but it is also possible that they are related conditions (which appears to be the current trend in thought). Given the corresponding rise in both over the past few decades, it seems like a reasonable assumption to make.

Also, it is not as though CHD and diabetes are the only diseases out there. Given two individuals who differ in nothing except weight, it doesn't take a lot of imagination to figure out who will have more orthopedic issues.
 
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How often do you see an obese individual who remains obese with a similar diet, exercise and lifestyle to a thin person?

Even if such a person exists, is this person really representative of the overall population? The contention is that diet, exercise and lifestyle are the main causes of obesity, which is present in addition to the conditions we're talking about.

It is entirely possible that obesity and chronic disease merely correlate well with one another by coincidence, but it is also possible that they are related conditions (which appears to be the current trend in thought). Given the corresponding rise in both over the past few decades, it seems like a reasonable assumption to make.

Also, it is not as though CHD and diabetes are the only diseases out there. Given two individuals who differ in nothing except weight, it doesn't take a lot of imagination to figure out who will have more orthopedic issues.

An obese person who strictly eats at his/her maintenance metabolic needs will stay obese forever. That is a fact. Your weight is not a testament to the quality of the food you eat or your level of exercise, only to the number of calories you absorb. That's -99%- of it.
Knowing that, I'd much rather have a person with 30% bodyfat who makes senseful health choices -while maintaining their weight- than a person with 15% bodyfat who doesn't care much. That's it. It was simply a response to the "calories in calories out" approach that PL talked about, which in this regard does not make sense when it's not accompanied with a healthier lifestyle in general (eating fast food 10 times a week instead of 12 to lose weight is not my definition of healthy choices).

People should focus on eating well rather than eating less, and if they do, the weight will probably come off by itself eventually anyway.

(I agree, though, that joints damage occurrence is probably higher in obese people. We'd have to see if exercise can counterbalance that.)
 
An obese person who strictly eats at his/her maintenance metabolic needs will stay obese forever. That is a fact. Your weight is not a testament to the quality of the food you eat or your level of exercise, only to the number of calories you absorb. That's -99%- of it.
Knowing that, I'd much rather have a person with 30% bodyfat who makes senseful health choices -while maintaining their weight- than a person with 15% bodyfat who doesn't care much. That's it. It was simply a response to the "calories in calories out" approach that PL talked about, which in this regard does not make sense when it's not accompanied with a healthier lifestyle in general (eating fast food 10 times a week instead of 12 to lose weight is not my definition of healthy choices).

People should focus on eating well rather than eating less, and if they do, the weight will probably come off by itself eventually anyway.

(I agree, though, that joints damage occurrence is probably higher in obese people. We'd have to see if exercise can counterbalance that.)

Honestly we are probably more in agreement than not. However, I dislike a lot of your phrasing, and some of your reasoning.

"Your weight is not a testament to the quality of the food you eat or your level of exercise, only to the number of calories you absorb"

There are certainly some researchers who feel this way. However, it is not as though the number of calories absorbed are static, nor as though they are unrelated to the number burned. The amount you eat and demand changes with age and activity level (at the very least..just two of many, many examples). Or perhaps marathoners don't eat more on long days?

The physiology of eating goes far further than the "second law of thermodynamics," despite the tendency of many to denigrate everything to "calories in, calories out."

What explanation do you offer for the successes on the Atkins diet? That diet essentially restricts carbohydrates, and nothing else. While to my knowledge it has proven no more successful than other diets in clinical trials, this is generally due to adherence. Even a few successes on such a diet lead make the assumption "99% of it is calories in," with no attention to the content, questionable.

The 30% bodyfat vs 15% bodyfat question I would hesitantly agree with, provided the 30% fat person was exercising. I would also agree that we have focused a little too hard on weight loss...but this is because, frankly, that is what is important to many people.

I agree with the sentiment of "eating well rather than less," but what exactly the hell does "eating well" mean?

Is it a Mediterranean diet, as the AHA likes to claim? Perhaps a vegetarian one? Vegan? Low carb? Low fat (as the AHA used to claim)? Until we can answer those questions definitively, which we certainly cannot at the moment, is it really ethical to say that people should alter their lives in order to follow unproven diets?
We certainly have done so in the past, and the results were questionable. I would rather not continue to pursue each fad of "healthy eating" as it comes and goes.

However, I do agree we should start focusing on mortality/other hard outcomes more than weight.
 
An obese person who strictly eats at his/her maintenance metabolic needs will stay obese forever. That is a fact. Your weight is not a testament to the quality of the food you eat or your level of exercise, only to the number of calories you absorb. That's -99%- of it.
Knowing that, I'd much rather have a person with 30% bodyfat who makes senseful health choices -while maintaining their weight- than a person with 15% bodyfat who doesn't care much. That's it. It was simply a response to the "calories in calories out" approach that PL talked about, which in this regard does not make sense when it's not accompanied with a healthier lifestyle in general (eating fast food 10 times a week instead of 12 to lose weight is not my definition of healthy choices).

People should focus on eating well rather than eating less, and if they do, the weight will probably come off by itself eventually anyway.

(I agree, though, that joints damage occurrence is probably higher in obese people. We'd have to see if exercise can counterbalance that.)

Are you being purposefully naive? Are you really going to say that someone at 15 % BF and 30 % BF likely employ the same standards of health maintenance with regards to exercise and their diet? Just because you have an arbitrary definition of healthy doesn't mean it's not. If someone finds a way to eat fast food 10 times a week and meet all of their macros and micros and not eat huge surplus of other nutrients, then by nature their diet is healthy. Find me someone that maintains 30 % BF with healthy choices please. Not gonna happen.

Also money definitely affects someone's ability to reproduce, so I'm not sure where that sentiment is coming from.
 
Are you being purposefully naive? Are you really going to say that someone at 15 % BF and 30 % BF likely employ the same standards of health maintenance with regards to exercise and their diet? Just because you have an arbitrary definition of healthy doesn't mean it's not. If someone finds a way to eat fast food 10 times a week and meet all of their macros and micros and not eat huge surplus of other nutrients, then by nature their diet is healthy. Find me someone that maintains 30 % BF with healthy choices please. Not gonna happen.

Also money definitely affects someone's ability to reproduce, so I'm not sure where that sentiment is coming from.
Not really. There are many on welfare (the ones who are actually poor) , who continue to have children.
 
Yeah, BMI is a terrible measure, but that's not what I was getting at.

Having a very high bodyfat has NOT been proven to be unhealthy. Nothing indicates that -genuinely- obese people who make good nutritional and lifestyle (sleep, stress, etc) choices + exercise regularly are more prone to illness or have a shorter lifespan. I'd MUCH rather have a fat person like the above than a thin person who doesn't take care of himself/herself.

Hence the comment about the ludicrousness, to me, of the "calories in, calories out" argument. Obesity is the biggest scape goat of the health industry atm, when there are many more important things to care about first.


/r/fatlogic is this way.
 
Yeah, BMI is a terrible measure, but that's not what I was getting at.

  • Having a very high bodyfat has NOT been proven to be unhealthy.
  • Nothing indicates that -genuinely- obese people who make good nutritional and lifestyle (sleep, stress, etc) choices + exercise regularly are more prone to illness or have a shorter lifespan. I'd MUCH rather have a fat person like the above than a thin person who doesn't take care of himself/herself.

Hence the comment about the ludicrousness, to me, of the "calories in, calories out" argument. Obesity is the biggest scape goat of the health industry atm, when there are many more important things to care about first.

BMI is bad at the high end -- some who is hugely muscle bound, bc muscle weighs more than fat. All bolded is wrong. they have done CT scans to show that the fat is not just subcutaneous, it's visceral surrounding vital organs as well.

You can go back to your rant on Jezebel now - http://jezebel.com/5959682/doctors-are-****ty-to-fat-patients
 
Are you being purposefully naive? Are you really going to say that someone at 15 % BF and 30 % BF likely employ the same standards of health maintenance with regards to exercise and their diet? Just because you have an arbitrary definition of healthy doesn't mean it's not. If someone finds a way to eat fast food 10 times a week and meet all of their macros and micros and not eat huge surplus of other nutrients, then by nature their diet is healthy. Find me someone that maintains 30 % BF with healthy choices please. Not gonna happen.

Also money definitely affects someone's ability to reproduce, so I'm not sure where that sentiment is coming from.
So consuming large amounts of food with chemical additives that may bind DNA or modify/alter expression of apoptotic genes is healthy? To top it all off I doubt that diet has a sufficient amount of phytonutrients to handle the oxiditative stress from all that crap.
 
So consuming large amounts of food with chemical additives that may bind DNA or modify/alter expression of apoptotic genes is healthy?

No worse than breathing oxygen and nitrogen which may make your penis shrink.
 
So consuming large amounts of food with chemical additives that may bind DNA or modify/alter expression of apoptotic genes is healthy? To top it all off I doubt that diet has a sufficient amount of phytonutrients to handle the oxiditative stress from all that crap.
Breathing and bringing in oxygen can lead to the eventual creation of oxygen radicals that can cause cellular damage as well: http://www.nytimes.com/1993/04/25/magazine/free-radicals-the-price-we-pay-for-breathing.html
 
Breathing and bringing in oxygen can lead to the eventual creation of oxygen radicals that can cause cellular damage as well: http://www.nytimes.com/1993/04/25/magazine/free-radicals-the-price-we-pay-for-breathing.html
I'm just saying that following such a diet is likely to lead to excessive free radical production that you're body is ill equipped to handle, especially if that diet is devoid of nutrients that specifically aid in their clearance.

I found this quite interesting in that article
"However, Richard G. Cutler, a chemist at the Gerontology Research Center of the National Institute on Aging, suggests that weekend athletes may be worse off than people who are determinedly immobile. "Weekend exercising may be as bad for you as binge sunbathing," he says. "If you don't build up protection against oxidative stress through regular exercise, you're likely to do quite a bit of harm to the body when you go out for that weekend burst. You could even accelerate the aging process."
 
So consuming large amounts of food with chemical additives that may bind DNA or modify/alter expression of apoptotic genes is healthy? To top it all off I doubt that diet has a sufficient amount of phytonutrients to handle the oxiditative stress from all that crap.

And yet, despite being constantly poisoned by all those chemicals, life expectancy continues to increase... (doubt it's because of the recent advances in alternative medicine)
 
Also money definitely affects someone's ability to reproduce, so I'm not sure where that sentiment is coming from.

In an absolute sense, there may be truth to this. Modern reality is that it does not work that way.

Google fertility rates amoung rich vs poor, developed nations and developing nations, 3rd world vs 1st. You'll figure it out.

Or, if you're feeling lazy, here is the summary. The poor have lots of kids because they are an asset: cheap labor.
Developing nations and poorer classes nearly always have more children.

The rich have no such need, and tend to view children as an expensive liability. The richer you are, and the more developed the nation, the lower the fertility rate tends to be.

Have a nice night
 
Many nootropics that are OTC in the states are prescription only in other countries. Usually things completely worthless are not available only via prescription.
 
Not really. There are many on welfare (the ones who are actually poor) , who continue to have children.

To get more money from the government. They wouldn't be able to if this wasn't the case. If a middle class family isn't doing well financially, they aren't gonna pop another one out, because no one will reward them for doing so.

I'm just saying that following such a diet is likely to lead to excessive free radical production that you're body is ill equipped to handle, especially if that diet is devoid of nutrients that specifically aid in their clearance.

I found this quite interesting in that article
"However, Richard G. Cutler, a chemist at the Gerontology Research Center of the National Institute on Aging, suggests that weekend athletes may be worse off than people who are determinedly immobile. "Weekend exercising may be as bad for you as binge sunbathing," he says. "If you don't build up protection against oxidative stress through regular exercise, you're likely to do quite a bit of harm to the body when you go out for that weekend burst. You could even accelerate the aging process."

Key word, he's a chemist. lol exercising is about the best protection against the aging process someone can possibly get. is he joking? he's advocating for people to sit on their couch every weekend? that statement is now honestly the dumbest thing I've heard on SDN. it now tops the person who said " since all surgeons are conservatives, and all conservatives are @ssholes, so all surgeons are @ssholes." along with the person that said " I think I'm going to day trade with my student loan money."
 
And yet, despite being constantly poisoned by all those chemicals, life expectancy continues to increase... (doubt it's because of the recent advances in alternative medicine)
Good point, there are a lot of complicating factors. What is excessive for one person may not be for the next person.
 
To get more money from the government. They wouldn't be able to if this wasn't the case. If a middle class family isn't doing well financially, they aren't gonna pop another one out, because no one will reward them for doing so.



Key word, he's a chemist. lol exercising is about the best protection against the aging process someone can possibly get. is he joking? he's advocating for people to sit on their couch every weekend? that statement is now honestly the dumbest thing I've heard on SDN. it now tops the person who said " since all surgeons are conservatives, and all conservatives are @ssholes, so all surgeons are @ssholes." along with the person that said " I think I'm going to day trade with my student loan money."
No, he claims weekend binge exercising (i.e. without regular exercise) causes a spike in oxidative stress and if you are not regularly exercising then you are not equipped to handle it.
 
No, he claims weekend binge exercising (i.e. without regular exercise) causes a spike in oxidative stress and if you are not regularly exercising then you are not equipped to handle it.
I can't comment on how true this is, I just find it interesting in its plausibility.
 
Good point, there are a lot of complicating factors. What is excessive for one person may not be for the next person.

People constantly talk about the big conspiracies and being poisoned by this or that (whether it's the drugs, or GMO food or even chemtrails lol). I just don't get it... we live longer and longer. And now the society has reached the point where life expectancy at birth in the western countries has reached (and surpassed) 80! While those living in "clean" parts of the world with little industry, no GMO food, no modern technology etc - have life expectancy of 50-60 years...
And when you look at the state of an 80 year old human body (anyone who is 80 is old and prone to many illnesses) and realise that we have reached the point where this is the actual life expectancy... I think the we are doing pretty well

Yes, technological development will have it's side-effects. But, overall it has served the western society pretty well.
 
People constantly talk about the big conspiracies and being poisoned by this or that (whether it's the drugs, or GMO food or even chemtrails lol). I just don't get it... we live longer and longer. And noHow the society has reached the point where life expectancy at birth in the western countries has reached (and surpassed) 80! While those living in "clean" parts of the world with little industry, no GMO food, no modern technology etc - have life expectancy of 50-60 years...
And when you look at the state of an 80 year old human body (anyone who is 80 is old and prone to many illnesses) and realise that we have reached the point where this is the actual life expectancy... I think the we are doing pretty well

Yes, technological development will have it's side-effects. But, overall it has served the western society pretty well.
How much of the life expectancy for the "clean" parts of the world is lowered due to readily curable infectious diseases, where they just don't have access to the medication/treatment. It would be interesting to see a "corrected" life expectancy in which those diseases and catastrophic deaths are accounted for. I think you also have to compare the change in quality of life as you approach that age. Its not the same if an average 80 year old in one part of the world can still go grocery shopping, vs another part of the world where that person is bed ridden. Yet, they live the same age because the latter person is kept alive on machines.
 
I can't comment on how true this is, I just find it interesting in its plausibility.

I think you can assume Dr. Cutler is prepared to cite evidence.

"Richard G. Cutler, a chemist at the Gerontology Research Center of the National Institute on Aging",
 
Doctors are not in the profession of nutritions or health, we deal with medicine. We don't "heal" either. We cure illness and fix injuries, that's it.

So label that MDs treat the disease not the person is justified and even proudly proclaimed? If so, why is this institution not interested in healing the whole body? Is it a matter of resources? How about osteopaths? Would DO docs agree with the above quote? Why is a knowledge of nutrition ignored for the most part in MD programs? Again, resources? Just seems to me the higher and higher one gets into a given field the more narrow ones viewpoints get.
 
How much of the life expectancy for the "clean" parts of the world is lowered due to readily curable infectious diseases, where they just don't have access to the medication/treatment. It would be interesting to see a "corrected" life expectancy in which those diseases and catastrophic deaths are accounted for. I think you also have to compare the change in quality of life as you approach that age. Its not the same if an average 80 year old in one part of the world can still go grocery shopping, vs another part of the world where that person is bed ridden. Yet, they live the same age because the latter person is kept alive on machines.

But one of the main reasons we do not see people dying of those diseases any more is improved technology (including medical technology), which further proves that modern technology (despite it's "side-effects") is beneficial to the society.
 
So label that MDs treat the disease not the person is justified and even proudly proclaimed? If so, why is this institution not interested in healing the whole body? Is it a matter of resources? How about osteopaths? Would DO docs agree with the above quote? Why is a knowledge of nutrition ignored for the most part in MD programs? Again, resources? Just seems to me the higher and higher one gets into a given field the more narrow ones viewpoints get.
Because nutrition isn't something a doctor can fix. You can't perform a procedure to improve someone's nutrition.
 
Could be wrong, but I don't think you're getting what @TooMuchResearch is driving at.

His point is that "survival of the fittest" was never meant to be used in this context. In this context, it's actually a corruption of Darwinian theory adapted by armchair-type "scientists." Your second statement, "a fool and their money deserve to be parted with" is a better representation of what you're saying.

In short, I think he is saying you are misrepresenting Darwin, not that you are misrepresenting yourself or your interpretation of Darwin.

Bingo. Gotta avoid that Social Darwinism. Historical context, let the poor die and all that stuff. Bad news.
 
Bingo. Gotta avoid that Social Darwinism. Historical context, let the poor die and all that stuff. Bad news.


I think there are many more factors at play with whether it's valid or not than just the actual reproduction rate, but that would be a whole different discussion so for this case I'll just say yeah it wasn't the most valid usage and I'd be reaching for straws to defend it when I don't care that much. I'm dumb
 
I think there are many more factors at play with whether it's valid or not than just the actual reproduction rate, but that would be a whole different discussion so for this case I'll just say yeah it wasn't the most valid usage and I'd be reaching for straws to defend it when I don't care that much. I'm dumb

Nah, not dumb or you wouldn't be here. Just ignorant 😛 (being a jackass.)

There are a lot of issues at play with reproduction, that much is certain.
 
I think there are many more factors at play with whether it's valid or not than just the actual reproduction rate, but that would be a whole different discussion so for this case I'll just say yeah it wasn't the most valid usage and I'd be reaching for straws to defend it when I don't care that much. I'm dumb
We're all dumb at times, but we get a little smarter each time we realize it. Its human 🙂
 
Because nutrition isn't something a doctor can fix. You can't perform a procedure to improve someone's nutrition.

No but if you were informed about it, you could talk to them and give sound advise could u not? Or is it viewed as futile in the eyes of MD education? DO?
 
No but if you were informed about it, you could talk to them and give sound advise could u not? Or is it viewed as futile in the eyes of MD education? DO?

No, because that would require teaching something other than what the federal government recommends in it's dietary recommendations, which are atrocious. Maybe if obesity is such a problem in America, they should look at that? That's the thing about considering nutrition and anabolic exercise. It shakes up a ton of conventional norms that people aren't ok with shaking up. Like running and other aerobic exercise having endocrine effects that prevent people from losing fat, or that eating pizza isn't actually bad for you, if you probably manage your macros and micros. Check out the diet of top powerlifters and bodybuilders(ones that compete in tested feds/contests).

The reason doctors don't advise nutrition and exercise options directly, is because that would almost force people to pursue the highest-yield options in each area. This is something that avg. people don't actually want to do. Avg. people don't want to do anaerobic, high intensity exercise, or eat more protein and fat than they do now, along with less fat.
 
Interesting post. 😵
 
Interesting post. 😵

Can you give a reason why physicians won't participate in nutrition or exercise counseling? So people that have to study the biochemistry and physiology that results from each, wouldn't be likely to advise people about the things to do to achieve someone's goals? I mean honestly any medical student past their first year has the biochemical knowledge to know how to design a basic diet and exercise plan that will help someone meet their goals. If you understand biochem and phys it's not difficult at all. It's just that no one really wants to do what those recommendations would be.
 
Can you give a reason why physicians won't participate in nutrition or exercise counseling? So people that have to study the biochemistry and physiology that results from each, wouldn't be likely to advise people about the things to do to achieve someone's goals? I mean honestly any medical student past their first year has the biochemical knowledge to know how to design a basic diet and exercise plan that will help someone meet their goals. If you understand biochem and phys it's not difficult at all. It's just that no one really wants to do what those recommendations would be.

I'm sure there are people that disagree with me, just want to hear any reasons why this isn't an area where physicians are typically active in. I mean with all the talk about health maintenance and preventative medicine, what better way to do that than diet and exercise? There really wouldn't be a more effective way to ensure public health than that in my opinion, so I just don't see any reason why it wouldn't be stressed if everything about preventative medicine being the way of the future and etc is true.. I don't agree with that, but it seems it's a pretty common sentiment, so just want to hear others' opinions.
 
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