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[ems5184]

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...are there so many mormons? can someone explain this to me?

 

[jdcinza13]

because we are an infectious disease that nobody can get rid of....besides, why does it matter?

 

[natsipoo]

Who cares? Why is that important enough to warrant a new thread?

 

[Beestieboy]

LOL, honestly I can't say I know for sure. You can ask them when you go there. Talk to Phil Aftoora. He's the admissions guy that comes out to the Utah schools to recruit. They'll be at my school next month. I asked him about it last year and he said Utahn's are for the most part very mature (probably due to time spent on a mission), have good scores, and have generally made a very good impression on them. They have been recruiting the Utah/Idaho/Arizona corridor for quite a while. I could throw up an easy answer then I guess; they like mormons.

Great school by the way. I really enjoyed my interview there. They only thing that got me was the cost. $60k 😱

 

[1992Corolla]

Haven't you seen that South Park episode...? They asked basicall ythe same question:

Everyone was in Hell and they asked the Devil who made it to heaven. Everyone looked around and said, "It was the Mormons!". Case is just like heaven... 😉

I have heard of interviewers asking people who are from ID and UT why so many mormons apply to dental school. What kind of question is that?

Whats up Dave! (BEESTIE!) I second your comment.

 

[12YearOldKid]

There are a lot of Mormons at every dental school. It's not just Case. Can't tell you why.

 

[toofache32]

There are a lot of Mormons at every dental school. It's not just Case. Can't tell you why.

My observation is that the families tend to encourage careers that receive a lot of respect and money.

 

[oldboy]

when i was at case I definitely observed a majority of white male mormons. so what. i also observed top notch facilities, excellent clinical experiences, caring and enthusiastic faculty members, and a fun laid back attitude. in terms of cost, case is actually less expensive than most schools when you factor in the cost of living, which if like me you have a family, adds up CONSIDERABLY over the course of 4 years. all in all case is an excellent school regardless of it's demographics.

 

[vaio]

can we pretend to be mormoms so we have a better chance of admission

 

[briansle]

Honestly I've never met a Mormon before until I started going to Interviews. Now I see why dental schools find them attractive applicants.

Mormons seem to be pretty mature people. Their two year missions in 3rd world countries seem to have a big part in that. My hat goes off to them, its a very noble task. The average college student would rather party in Cancun than help in Haiti.

At my last interview, all the Mormon interviewees actually brought their WIVES. They held hands throughout the interview.

Which makes me wonder, how come I've never seen or heard of a female Mormon dental applicant?

At my interview, there was one female applicant from the east coast who clearly represented the modern-day woman. Intelligent, independent, and not afraid to speak her mind. The mormon wives, were exactly the same age as the female applicant, but they sat quietly and looked to their husbands to speak. They reminded me of Japanese women. Appeared as if their role is to stay at home, raise kids, and support their husbands. I'm not saying its a bad thing. I just hope they're happy.

 

[Lostinbul]

Honestly I've never met a Mormon before until I started going to Interviews. Now I see why dental schools find them attractive applicants.

Mormons seem to be pretty mature people. Their two year missions in 3rd world countries seem to have a big part in that. My hat goes off to them, its a very noble task. The average college student would rather party in Cancun than help in Haiti.

At my last interview, all the Mormon interviewees actually brought their WIVES. They held hands throughout the interview.

Which makes me wonder, how come I've never seen or heard of a female Mormon dental applicant?

At my interview, there was one female applicant from the east coast who clearly represented the modern-day woman. Intelligent, independent, and not afraid to speak her mind. The mormon wives, were exactly the same age as the female applicant, but they sat quietly and looked to their husbands to speak. They reminded me of Japanese women. Appeared as if their role is to stay at home, raise kids, and support their husbands. I'm not saying its a bad thing. I just hope they're happy.

You say this having not met my wife! Otherwise you would say that mormon wives are outspoken, driven, and in many cases are the ones running the show.
P.S. There do happen to be many female mormon applicants!

 

[Beestieboy]

Whats up Dave! (BEESTIE!) I second your comment.

What's up buddy?! That South Park episode was dang funny. The creators actually used to be Mormons. Anyways....

My observation is that the families tend to encourage careers that receive a lot of respect and money.

There is quite a bit more to this. The bigger aspect is the lifestyle, meaning you can provide comfortably for larger families (definately a trend with the LDS) and still have time to spend with them. We all know the benifits of being able to make your own schedule. The family focus is #1 for members of the LDS faith and dentistry is definatly a family friendly profession.

can we pretend to be mormoms so we have a better chance of admission

LOL, you could....but just saying that definately won't make up a bit if you don't have good DAT scores and GPA's. With those, a well rounded background, and a good personality, you have just as good a shot as anyone.

Hmm, now the last question about "mormon wives". How to best explain this.... I've already brought up the large family focus and yes, it is a traditional family focus. You could say there is some pressure for the husband to be the provider so the wife doesn't have to work. If she really wants to persue a degree and further her education that's great. Many of my friends are doing that and many of those ladies have at least an RN degree and are working and making great money. There are also some LDS women in dentistry. A young woman from my school who is LDS is attending UoP right now in her first year. It's not unheard of. My wife and I have a child and we really wanted to make sure our child was raised by us and not day care. That meant a lot of sacrifices like us scaling back our lifestyle and me working full time and going to school full time. It has definately been worth it. My wife tells me all the time that she is grateful for making those sacrifices to be with our son. Sometimes she kids me about wanting to go back to work to get away from him for a while, but she's kidding. 😉 Like Lostinbul said, my wife is hardly a meek follower type. She's supportive of what I do, but she is quite strong-willed and that's great. She's a hard worker and has been a great help through this application process.

Last of all, since there is no dental school in Utah (but not all applicants from Utah are mormons and not all mormons come from Utah), you're going to find mormons applying at other schools (especially private ones that don't care if you're in-state). That's just the way it is. Yes, some schools are known for taking Utah applicants and some recruit there but the stats show that Utahns are matriculated everywhere.

I've always wondered how a state without a dental school can have such a glut of dentists, but that's the case here. Strange but true.

 

[briansle]

You say this having not met my wife! Otherwise you would say that mormon wives are outspoken, driven, and in many cases are the ones running the show.
P.S. There do happen to be many female mormon applicants!

Well, I stand corrected.

Do you bring your wife to your interviews too? Make sure you two hold hands. You crazy kids. 😉

 

[Beestieboy]

LOL, I know Lostinbul and he hasn't taken his wife yet. I haven't seen anyone take their wife yet to the 2 interviews I've been to, but if I get an interview to UoP my wife wants to come along. That's her first choice. We'll have to see if we can afford it.

We'll definately be holding hands. 😉

 

[gryffindor]

Mormons seem to be pretty mature people. Their two year missions in 3rd world countries seem to have a big part in that. My hat goes off to them, its a very noble task. The average college student would rather party in Cancun than help in Haiti.

Can someone explain to me how doing a mission trip helping in Haiti makes you more mature? Do you have to travel to a third world country to gain that "maturity," is it something you can't experience here in the US?

 

[vaio]

Can someone explain to me how doing a mission trip helping in Haiti makes you more mature? Do you have to travel to a third world country to gain that "maturity," is it something you can't experience here in the US?

i guess the more crap you put yourself through, the more mature you become.,,,,,kinda like a training for the much larger extent of crap you'll have to go through in dental school

 

[elderjam]

Can someone explain to me how doing a mission trip helping in Haiti makes you more mature? Do you have to travel to a third world country to gain that "maturity," is it something you can't experience here in the US?

I went to Colorado for two years and got plently of maturity in that time. I think a great deal of the maturity comes from two years of totally focusing on other peoples needs rather than your own. It's a hard change at first and a hard change to start thinking about yourself again when you come back.

All in all it was the best two years of my life. I met rocket scientists some days and homeless people at the soup kitchen the next. It really gives you a broad perspective of world, other peoples lives and who you really are. My biased opinion is one could gain no greater perspective and maturity than on a mission. But i would assume peace corps, military service could give one a boost of maturity and a larger perspective on life and whats really important. (see Family & Service)

p.s. sorry for the sermon, but at least it's free!

 

[toofache32]

Do you bring your wife to your interviews too? Make sure you two hold hands. You crazy kids. 😉

Be careful with this. Wives are OK to bring to town, but I'm not sure I would bring them to the interview unless the school specifically makes provisions for this during the interviews. Many of the wives brought to interviews at my school seemed to be there because they were "motherly" towards the husband and needed to approve. Made you wonder if they would come to class and object to the difficult test questions. I'm sure most weren't actually like that, but that was definately the feeling most of them projected at interviews.

As far as letting the husband do the talking, I think that's the smart way for wives to be. Not because I'm sexist (I am), but because remember....it's the husband interviewing for the spot.

 

[1992Corolla]

I went to Amsterdam on my mission. No, I never did pot, or any other drugs, but you do get propositioned alot...and yes everythings legal. 🙄

A more descriptive reason why missions help people mature (note: not everyone who goes on a mission matures, just like not everyone who goes to dental school becomes a dentist) is what you do for two years.
A mission is optional. YOU choose if you want to go on one. At 19 years old, this is a hard decision, leaving school, family, friends, cars, girls, everything you like behind. Then you leave for two years to a foreign place (anywhere in the world but Iraq for obvious reasons...) one guy said he went to colorado. I went to Holland. You speak to your family twice a year on the phone, and the rest is all done by letters or e-mail. You work 60 hours a week. Bed by 10:30pm, up at 6:30am. No one is really there to tell you what to do. You do answer to someone some of the time, but mostly you have the freedom to do what you want. This accounts for some of the maturity. I went to a foreign country so I also had to learn a language. Someone helps teach you the whole way, but if you are not motivated then this task is daunting. After two years of self motivation, learning a language fluently (not like two years of french at highschool), (also helps the study skills) then it does help the maturity level. Being Mormon however doesn't merit a spot. I applied last year with no takers, but my scores were a bit low. I am still fighting a freshman 1.6 GPA. Which I earned interestingly enough, before my mission.

 

[Beestieboy]

Great explaination from 1992Corolla there. I went to Sydney Australia myself and learned Mandarin Chinese. The focus of my mission was helping the asian folks there and teaching them about the church (and there are a lot of asians there!) Another interesting point is that on top of being optional, you don't get to choose where you go or if you are to learn a foriegn language. Plus, you pay for it all yourself. There are no scholarships to Utah schools when you get back or any other reimbursement, besides the blessings, experiences, and the personal growth.

I have many friends who are mormon but don't stand much of a chance of being accepted this year becuase of grades, DAT, or both. If you don't have those, you'll never make it past the first cut.

 

[Lostinbul]

Thanks 1992Corolla! That is exactly what I would have written had I not been so lazy! Amen to those pre-mission grades! Who gets a B- in music appreciation anyway!

 

[1992Corolla]

Music appreciation? I was way worse than that, here's an idea of what happens when you go to bed a 4am and wake up at 12:00, go to school for an hour and then come home and chill till 3am...

Anthropology.....D+
College Bio I......D
Scuba Diving.....C+
American Civ.....C-

Scuba Diving!?! Hahahahahah, I was really lazy. (but I had fun)

 

[reLAXgirl]

You say this having not met my wife! Otherwise you would say that mormon wives are outspoken, driven, and in many cases are the ones running the show.
P.S. There do happen to be many female mormon applicants!

Found one right here! There are very few, though. I am one of two at my school which seems to be unheard of. Also, there are a ton of mormons at almost every school, often 25-30% of the class.

 

[kurt10]

Honestly I've never met a Mormon before until I started going to Interviews. Now I see why dental schools find them attractive applicants.

Mormons seem to be pretty mature people. Their two year missions in 3rd world countries seem to have a big part in that. My hat goes off to them, its a very noble task. The average college student would rather party in Cancun than help in Haiti.

At my last interview, all the Mormon interviewees actually brought their WIVES. They held hands throughout the interview.

Which makes me wonder, how come I've never seen or heard of a female Mormon dental applicant?

At my interview, there was one female applicant from the east coast who clearly represented the modern-day woman. Intelligent, independent, and not afraid to speak her mind. The mormon wives, were exactly the same age as the female applicant, but they sat quietly and looked to their husbands to speak. They reminded me of Japanese women. Appeared as if their role is to stay at home, raise kids, and support their husbands. I'm not saying its a bad thing. I just hope they're happy.

It may be rare, but it happens. I'm at BYU right now and one of my best friends is applying to dental school, she interviewed a couple of weeks ago at Arizona. Also in my Ochem class this summer there was another female studying to take the DAT. I found it a little shocking because it's true traditionally the women stay at home and care for the kids. But many of them are outgoing. Lots get an education and never use it, but it's something to fall back on if ever needed. from an outside perspective it may seen like it wouldn't be very rewarding to be a stay at home mom, but most are very involved in the community through church.

 

[UtahDDS]

My wife is getting her masters this year and she plans on working for a while,,, until the babies start coming. We thought it would be a good idea for her to get a good education in case anything should happen but she knows her place is in the home; and she is excited about it! To her, raising a good family and spending time with our kids is much more fulfilling than any profession. 😍 😍

 

[elderjam]

i am sick of people thinking that being an at home mom is denegrading or not fulfilling your potential as a women.

if you don't think being a mom at home and being there for your kids is important take a survey at your local prison to see how many inmates didn't have parents around.

(i come from a single parent family myself)

 

[toofache32]

i am sick of people thinking that being an at home mom is denegrading or not fulfilling your potential as a women.

if you don't think being a mom at home and being there for your kids is important take a survey at your local prison to see how many inmates didn't have parents around.

(i come from a single parent family myself)

I'm not sure that was the intention of these posts.

But for the record, I agree. I believe that mothers have the most important job in the world. My wife stays at home with our youngster and she works much harder than I do in my surgical residency. At least I'm only on call every 3rd night or so, whereas her job is 24-7. When I have a day off I always try to keep our son while she goes out for some "sanity time." I'm more tired after 4 hours with him than after a 36-hour shift at work.

 

[TimR]

so many cougars here.... there's nothing like starting your day with a 3 hour dose of hinshaw

 

[ItsGavinC]

so many cougars here.... there's nothing like starting your day with a 3 hour dose of hinshaw

Hinshaw rules. All bark and no bite.
🙂

 

[lcinva]

Hinshaw rules. All bark and no bite.
🙂

I'd like to add my 2 cents and say that with her its more of a shriek/squeal than a bark. And that the semester I had 353 was the longest semester of my life, but she did write me a recommendation!

 

[1992Corolla]

What about some wolverine love...

 

[kurt10]

so many cougars here.... there's nothing like starting your day with a 3 hour dose of hinshaw

If you like that you should try it summer term. Sometimes i wonder if she has any type of feelings whatsoever. I saw her on campus and tried to make eye contact and say hi, but she didn't acknowledge that someone had just walked past her.
And for the Wolveriene love i'm here for you, i'm a former wolverine and my girlfreind is there. plus I like their baseball hat.

 

[Lostinbul]

What about some wolverine love...

I've got your back Corolla! Go wolverines!

 

[Beestieboy]

Woot for those Wolverines!! Go Green!

 

[TimR]

the thing that kills me about uvsc is all those colored pipes everywhere.

 

[VegasBabyVegas]

the thing that kills me about uvsc is all those colored pipes everywhere.

no joke...I heard uvsc campus used to be a Wal-Mart warehouse until they built one across the street. 🙂

 

[TimR]

everyone knows that BYU is just for people who didn't have the grades or extracurriculars to get into UVSC....

 

[1992Corolla]

UVSC is very highschoolish, but the science program is top notch. (I've taken classes at both schools and have been dually impressed)

Maybe thats why Mormons go to dental school. Most of them come from the two toughest schools in the country 😉

 

[kurt10]

I still hang out in the Hall of Flags in my spare time

 

[Distal Dildo]

i am sick of people thinking that being an at home mom is denegrading or not fulfilling your potential as a women.

if you don't think being a mom at home and being there for your kids is important take a survey at your local prison to see how many inmates didn't have parents around.

(i come from a single parent family myself)

WOWSER.
I agree with you, however, look at all the kids who grow up in life that had nurturing parents that cannot make it in the real world b/c mommy's titty isnt there to suck on anymore.

Weird post!

 

[1992Corolla]

yeah, but 90% of the inmates in prison never had a mom or dad at home, suck on that for a while... 😉

 

[elderjam]

WOWSER.
I agree with you, however, look at all the kids who grow up in life that had nurturing parents that cannot make it in the real world b/c mommy's titty isnt there to suck on anymore.

Weird post!

yeah those kinds of people are the ones the criminals look to mug first!

 

[elderjam]

the thing that kills me about uvsc is all those colored pipes everywhere.

I thought i had accidentally walked in to a nuclear fallout shelter the first time i walked into UVSC.

 

[TimR]

I thought i had accidentally walked in to a nuclear fallout shelter the first time i walked into UVSC.

I'm glad you still use your official title man.... keep it up.