Why can’t Australian doctors practice I’m USA

[NewUser124]

I don’t understand this. The medical education in Australia is actually harder. Strangely, medical schools are actually easier to get in though. I heard you just need a GPA of 2.7. But it’s definitely harder. And the residency can go upto 12 years !!!

I think they should be exempt from the long route Indian doctors have to take to practice here.

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[libertyyne]

Because last I checked Australia is not part of the USA.

 

[Perrotfish]

Because last I checked Australia is not part of the USA.

Yeah but its a reasonable question. There are a handful of countries where the standard of care is pretty much the same as the US, and it would be good policy for the US to allow those physicians to practice here either with no additional training or maybe with a year of supervised practice. Not great for US physicians, maybe, but good for the country.

 

[Prehealth1011]

I think there's some sort of reciprocity for Family Med physicians. But I'm not sure if it involves taking usmle etc. or any additional training.

 

[Kuratz]

Can’t speak to Australia specifically, but it’s probably a licensing or other bureaucratic issue. Also as a future US physician I think it’d be unfair to have people train under the benefits of other countries, in some places with free tuition and a shorter pathway and/or better hours, and then easily come cash in with American salaries. If you want to practice in the US, go to school and train here.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

I think there's some sort of reciprocity for Family Med physicians. But I'm not sure if it involves taking usmle etc. or any additional training.

It requires certification in home country (NZ, Australia, UK), a US state medical license, and proof that you're planning to actually practice FM.

If you do that, you can sit for the ABFM exam and get boarded assuming you pass.

 

[DrSnips]

It's all because the Australian accent isn't suitable for delivering bad news to American patients. "Sorry mate, you've got AIDS"

 

[libertyyne]

Yeah but its a reasonable question. There are a handful of countries where the standard of care is pretty much the same as the US, and it would be good policy for the US to allow those physicians to practice here either with no additional training or maybe with a year of supervised practice. Not great for US physicians, maybe, but good for the country.

i think depending on which countries we are talking about it could be bad for home countries. Lead to excess migration from france or other countries leading to shortages back home. The residency requirements kind of disincentivizes large scale migration, and keeps things reasonably fair for physicans here. and speaking of standard of care, there is variation regionally in the US regarding standard of care, and from facility to facility, that does not prevent US MD s from moving around. I am sure some people from other countries would be able to get up to snuff with a year of supervision or so as well.

 

[DO2015CA]

i think depending on which countries we are talking about it could be bad for home countries. Lead to excess migration from france or other countries leading to shortages back home. The residency requirements kind of disincentivizes large scale migration, and keeps things reasonably fair for physicans here. and speaking of standard of care, there is variation regionally in the US regarding standard of care, and from facility to facility, that does not prevent US MD s from moving around. I am sure some people from other countries would be able to get up to snuff with a year of supervision or so as well.

Most FMGs I have interacted with agree that intern year of residency had a larger learning curve than American students because they had to adjust to the way we practice medicine in the US.

 

[Tenk]

It’s simple. If we let any physician practice in the US the market would become saturated in just a few years. It’s just business which is what medicine is. I’m not saying it’s wrong or right but that is 100% the reason.

 

[Prehealth1011]

I don’t understand this. The medical education in Australia is actually harder. Strangely, medical schools are actually easier to get in though. I heard you just need a GPA of 2.7. But it’s definitely harder. And the residency can go upto 12 years !!!

I think they should be exempt from the long route Indian doctors have to take to practice here.

Their residents work less hours/week on average (hence the length) and not as hands on until LATE in the training. In any case, the point is that the two systems are different and isn't as interchangeable as you think.

 

[Aerus]

The attrition rate must be a lot higher if your requirements are easier.

 

[puahate]

Just stay in Aussie

 

[raiderette]

It isn't as if US doctors can just come into Australia and practice either. I looked into it, and it also requires years in an undesirable area and limits on the type of physician that can practice.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

Do we get to go to Australia and just practice without restriction or any additional training?

 

[mistafab]

Go away austrailian doctors.

 

[Isoval]

The medical education in Australia is actually harder [...] But it’s definitely harder. And the residency can go upto 12 years !!!

American medical school puts us at an additional two years compared to most other countries considering the bachelor’s requirement. If we consider the longest residency, neurosurgery, of seven years and then tack on a long fellowship of three years, Americans also arrive at that 12-year number you threw out. Besides, I have no idea why anybody would brag about being in school longer than the next guy.

 

[Goro]

American medical school puts us at an additional two years compared to most other countries considering the bachelor’s requirement. If we consider the longest residency, neurosurgery, of seven years and then tack on a long fellowship of three years, Americans also arrive at that 12-year number you threw out. Besides, I have no idea why anybody would brag about being in school longer than the next guy.

For a depressingly large number of SDNers, their whole life and meaning is built upon their academics.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

For a depressingly large number of SDNers, their whole life and meaning is built upon their academics.

When you've been in school for over 16 straight years, that's not surprising.

 

[vernhart]

I don’t understand this. The medical education in Australia is actually harder. Strangely, medical schools are actually easier to get in though. I heard you just need a GPA of 2.7. But it’s definitely harder. And the residency can go upto 12 years !!!

I think they should be exempt from the long route Indian doctors have to take to practice here.

and you know this for certain how?

 

[W19]

American medical school puts us at an additional two years compared to most other countries considering the bachelor’s requirement. If we consider the longest residency, neurosurgery, of seven years and then tack on a long fellowship of three years, Americans also arrive at that 12-year number you threw out. Besides, I have no idea why anybody would brag about being in school longer than the next guy.

That is how we can justify being better than everyone else in our industry (midlevels, PT, OT PharmD etc... ). How else would we justify 300-800k/yr 😉?

 

[SurfingDoctor]

They can. I’ve seen it. Actually, the person was from Australia, and England prior to that. No ACGME training, just take the Licensing exams through petition. It’s rare though. They have to meet a specific need or provide an expertise that is otherwise lacking in the general pool.

 

[braineddetermined]

They can. I’ve seen it. Actually, the person was from Australia, and England prior to that. No ACGME training, just take the Licensing exams through petition. It’s rare though. They have to meet a specific need or provide an expertise that is otherwise lacking in the general pool.

No training at all? Not even 1 year in a residency/fellowship program? Wow! I’m impressed...as far as I knew for them to get a medical license ( even though there are reciprocity agreements for some specialties like FM) they need to do 1 year of internship/residency/fellowship.

 

[NITRAS]

I just realized this was from 2018. . . . .

 

[ExplodingUlcers]

It's all because the Australian accent isn't suitable for delivering bad news to American patients. "Sorry mate, you've got AIDS"

I don't care what anyone says but this was definitely worth the necrobump.

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[alprazoslam]

Do they drive Subaru’s in Australia?

 

[sanfran256]

Very few Australians are actually going to practice where they are needed (NOT the coasts).