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so who's accepting their offer?

what made you pick this school?

7 years of service after residency is a long f****in' time! 😱

whadya think?

i'm considering applying, but haven't heard much about it.
 
I am actually going to decline my acceptance. I was really gung-ho about the military (being paid to study is awesome). Plus, my dad retired from the Navy, so I knew what military life was like (and i love moving). However, my dad is sooo against me going into the military. You will be deployed. Don't think you can get out of it. I don't know if you're a guy or a girl, but if you're a girl and you have kids, being deployed SUCKS. I guess you just have to think about whether you can handle being away from your future spouse and kids. After thinking about it, the money really isn't worth it (for me). Also, you're in the military, they can keep you in for as long as they want (stop-loss). So you could be in for longer than 7 years. Just think about that. What if you've joined a private practice, and then you get called back to duty? Who will cover for you while you go to the Middle east?

Do you like to wear a uniform everyday? Do you like having superior officers (who may be nurses) tell you (a doctor) what to do? Would you be happy moving every 2 or 3 years? Do you mind delaying residency for a year (if you choose the Navy)?

You should check out the military med forum. There are a lot of good posters who talk about what military med is like.
 
And we may still be in Iraq when you finish your residency. Seriously.

I know a guy that went to undergrad and med school on Army scholarships. He's now a Pediatrician stationed in Iraq and his wife and newborn baby are here in the U.S.

However, on the plus side, you get your own skeleton. Hoo-ahhh!
 
i61164 said:
And we may still be in Iraq when you finish your residency. Seriously.

I know a guy that went to undergrad and med school on Army scholarships. He's now a Pediatrician stationed in Iraq and his wife and newborn baby are here in the U.S.

However, on the plus side, you get your own skeleton. Hoo-ahhh!


I love your quote, its so touching. 👍
 
I too thought about going this way and being an enlisted in the Marine Corps I had a pretty good idea about what life was like. I thought about it for a week or so and then decided that it wasn't for me. I left the MC bc it wasn't a good place to raise a family and get settled down plus they say you have choices but they are limited compared to what you have on the civillian world. They say the grass is greener on the otherside well when your talking about going into military med and your looking at their grass.... its more likely to be brown, muddy, flattened and dying than green
 
wow, that **** is crazy yo! 😱

i didn't figure on getting deployed right away, or so permanently.

how do the nurses give orders? 👎 we would be captains with the M.D. right?

i guess i'm just attracted to the "get payed to get your degree thing" and no medschool debt. not to mention, GI's get awesome pension plans when they retire.

my dad's a retired air forcer. Course, he's against me doing it too, like your old man.

thanks for the advice, i'd love to hear chatter from those that are in the program or accepting the offer.
 
This school makes regretful people...nothing more....
 
doogyhowser said:
how do the nurses give orders? 👎 we would be captains with the M.D. right?

If a nurse outranks you, you will be following oreder from him/her.

i guess i'm just attracted to the "get payed to get your degree thing" and no medschool debt. not to mention, GI's get awesome pension plans when they retire.

DO NOT go the military route if you want the money. Becoming an indentured servant for 7 years does not justify coming out of medical school debt-free. Think about it: you could pay off your loans in 7 years if you go the civilian route --- without having the headaches of the military. Ask yourself, if the military did not pay for school, would you still join? If the answer is no, look for another school.
 
deuist said:
If a nurse outranks you, you will be following oreder from him/her.



DO NOT go the military route if you want the money. Becoming an indentured servant for 7 years does not justify coming out of medical school debt-free. Think about it: you could pay off your loans in 7 years if you go the civilian route --- without having the headaches of the military. Ask yourself, if the military did not pay for school, would you still join? If the answer is no, look for another school.

so you went through the process of secondaries, interviewing, and got accepted and all, what was it that attracted you.
cuz now, you seem totally against it?
just curious
 
doogyhowser said:
so you went through the process of secondaries, interviewing, and got accepted and all, what was it that attracted you.
cuz now, you seem totally against it?
just curious

I finished the secondary, interviewed, got accepted, and I decliend my acceptance this morning. I was drawn for the same reasons you were - being paid to study, having health care for life, and having an awesome pension plan. Plus I love traveling. And USUHS is located 30 min from my house. So i could live at home and save myself a few more bucks.

deuist, are you in the military right now?
 
Okay...think about this:
The government usually steals your money right?
If they are giving you money...there must be something wrong...
take a minute to think about this


The US Government is paying YOU!!!

Now.....obviously....there are two reasons why the government pays you:

1. You are on welfare
2. Prepared to get bitch slapped by the Uncle Sam

This Includes:
-Not getting the freedom to choose where you do a residency
-7-8 Years of total service after medical school(you can make the amount of tuition abck during your working years)
-Postponing a social/marital affairs due to the military(GL finding a date in Iraq)


You don't want to be 30 and have the military tell you how to live your life
 
swifteagle43 said:
Okay...think about this:
The government usually steals your money right?
If they are giving you money...there must be something wrong...
take a minute to think about this


The US Government is paying YOU!!!

Now.....obviously....there are two reasons why the government pays you:

1. You are on welfare
2. Prepared to get bitch slapped by the Uncle Sam

This Includes:
-Not getting the freedom to choose where you do a residency
-7-8 Years of total service after medical school(you can make the amount of tuition abck during your working years)
-Postponing a social/marital affairs due to the military


You don't want to be 30 and have the military tell you how to live your life


I'm 30 and deployed :laugh:

If everyone was so rationally self centered, the rest of you could fend for your own darn selves 🙂

If you love America and want to serve it, it can be worth it. Think about it.

If few enough people make the decision, you'll have to pay us more to balance the scales. Think about it. Like many things in this nation, it's self balancing. Any less attractive and not enough would do it and they'd up the benefits or eliminate some of the negatives. If it was any more attractive, they'd have more volunteers than slots. That assumes perfect knowledge and the truth is most pre-meds have no idea what they're signing up for, which lets the military keep it a little towards the cheap side.
 
MoosePilot said:
I'm 30 and deployed :laugh:

If everyone was so rationally self centered, the rest of you could fend for your own darn selves 🙂

If you love America and want to serve it, it can be worth it. Think about it.

If few enough people make the decision, you'll have to pay us more to balance the scales. Think about it. Like many things in this nation, it's self balancing. Any less attractive and not enough would do it and they'd up the benefits or eliminate some of the negatives. If it was any more attractive, they'd have more volunteers than slots. That assumes perfect knowledge and the truth is most pre-meds have no idea what they're signing up for, which lets the military keep it a little towards the cheap side.


Your basically saying that the disadvantages clearly outweigh the advantages but people should do it because it is patriotic and they don't know what they are getting into?!

That assumes perfect knowledge and the truth is most pre-meds have no idea what they're signing up for, which lets the military keep it a little towards the cheap side.

I agree that the military takes advantage of kids because they have no idea what they are signing up for. But do you think that this is fair? And do you think that a battle field is a fair place to find out that it is not worth it(they got the "cheap stuff")?

Most of the people that I know that did the military route for med school really regret it. Its not cool to be 36 without wife/kids and come out of the military with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder(PTSD).

Even if you are debt free.
 
swifteagle43 said:
Your basically saying that the disadvantages clearly outweigh the advantages but people should do it because it is patriotic and they don't know what they are getting into?!



I agree that the military takes advantage of kids because they have no idea what they are signing up for. But do you think that this is fair? And do you think that a battle field is a fair place to find out that it is not worth it(they got the "cheap stuff")?

Most of the people that I know that did the military route for med school really regret it. Its not cool to be 33 without wife/kids and come out of the military with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder(PTSD).

Even if you are debt free.

Nice. I thought your argument was crap until I saw it was really big and in different colors.

I'm saying patriotism is a good reason to do it. Ignorance is a real reason some do it, not a good reason. I'd guess many people pursue their careers out of partial ignorance. Otherwise we wouldn't have as many non-trad pre-meds.

If you want a rational self-interested reason, then realize that if nobody joins the military, our country will not be able to defend itself. Most likely all of our lives become much ****tier at that point.

Some of us believe in reasons other than self-interest. If you're not one of them, base your decisions on what you think is important. We've got ya covered.
 
As a former US Marine, I can tell you that while I actively considered this I declined to apply, for reasons stated above. Now the reason people would do this is because
A) they feel patriotic and want to help out ol sam
B) they see that debt free sign and pay along with it and think $$$, what you don't realize is that if you do do a residency (PGME) that time does not count towards the years obligation. I learned to read the fine fine print when signing contracts with uncle sam and if you do a residency say after med school and it lasts four years then the time of your contract isn't 7 years it's 11 years. residency does not count towards you obligation to fulfill the contract and if you factor in the whole med school years then is a total of 15 years from when you start med school till you finish your obligation. If you really want to be debt free by going the military med route then get accepted into a civilian med school, and then a civilian residency then apply to be a military MD that way you only have to give 4 years, and you may just get them to give you some cash as a signing bonus to pay off some of that debt. BUT I would not personally go the USUHS route because well, as I got older and left the Marines I started to actually look at politics, while your in most don't follow it because you never have a chance to. BUt I looked at it and I'm disenfranchised with the established way of doing business in the beltway both dems and rep's have problems and I don't really trust either side. So I don't want to be put into a conflict we could have avoided. But I did enjoy the time I spent in the Corps and glad I did it but if given the chance to go back in now, I wouldn't do it if they gave me Bill Gates' fortune.
 
JohnB79 said:
As a former US Marine, I can tell you that while I actively considered this I declined to apply, for reasons stated above. Now the reason people would do this is because
A) they feel patriotic and want to help out ol sam
B) they see that debt free sign and pay along with it and think $$$, what you don't realize is that if you do do a residency (PGME) that time does not count towards the years obligation. I learned to read the fine fine print when signing contracts with uncle sam and if you do a residency say after med school and it lasts four years then the time of your contract isn't 7 years it's 11 years. residency does not count towards you obligation to fulfill the contract and if you factor in the whole med school years then is a total of 15 years from when you start med school till you finish your obligation. If you really want to be debt free by going the military med route then get accepted into a civilian med school, and then a civilian residency then apply to be a military MD that way you only have to give 4 years, and you may just get them to give you some cash as a signing bonus to pay off some of that debt. BUT I would not personally go the USUHS route because well, as I got older and left the Marines I started to actually look at politics, while your in most don't follow it because you never have a chance to. BUt I looked at it and I'm disenfranchised with the established way of doing business in the beltway both dems and rep's have problems and I don't really trust either side. So I don't want to be put into a conflict we could have avoided. But I did enjoy the time I spent in the Corps and glad I did it but if given the chance to go back in now, I wouldn't do it if they gave me Bill Gates' fortune.

well said
 
There are some other factors that make military medicine attractive, as well. Many of them revolve around the fact that your patients are in the military. You don't have to worry about insurance, HMOs, drug costs, or any of the money-related problems that plague the US healthcare system. Also, for the most part, your patients will do what you tell them when it comes to their treatment, which is certainly not a given elsewhere. Plus, the people you will be helping are great people. You are not stitching up gangbangers and crackheads all the time. The patients appreciate your help, which can be nice.
The military lifestyle can be a plus for people, too. When you aren't deployed, the hours will generally be better than as a civillian doc. Despite what has been said about families, the military is actually very family friendly, I find. Great support system for spouses and kids. Obviously, the deployments are big factor, though. They can suck, but they can also be rewarding. They are major life experiences that you can't get elsewhere. But, if deployments will be a serious problem for you, then remain a civillian.

As everyone said, don't do it for the money. Do it because you want to serve the people that defend our country (and other countries, too.) As said earlier, check out the military med forum. Good luck.
 
Understand too that USUHS is not luring in a bunch of slack-jawed yokels. If you come here for the interview, you'll get a morning full of information regarding the committment you'll be making. Hell, the whole secondary is geared towards getting the applicant to think about the committment.

The general consensus of my classmates, and what I try to get across when giving tours, is that if you haven't truly considered what the committment means and/or don't think it's for you, then you'll probably be happier somewhere else.
 
denali said:
Understand too that USUHS is not luring in a bunch of slack-jawed yokels. If you come here for the interview, you'll get a morning full of information regarding the committment you'll be making. Hell, the whole secondary is geared towards getting the applicant to think about the committment.

The general consensus of my classmates, and what I try to get across when giving tours, is that if you haven't truly considered what the committment means and/or don't think it's for you, then you'll probably be happier somewhere else.

Yeah...but i don't think even you realize what the committment is because you are not serving yet....

Your a what? Sophomore?
 
swifteagle43 said:
Yeah...but i don't think even you realize what the committment is because you are not serving yet....

Your a what? Sophomore?

He is serving as an active duty O-1 if he's a sophomore at USUHS.
 
MoosePilot said:
He is serving as an active duty O-1 if he's a sophomore at USUHS.

He said he is giving tours of the facility
 
swifteagle43 said:
He said he is giving tours of the facility

So if he is a student, then he is serving as an active duty officer. That's all I'm saying. Just because he's not serving in a war zone doesn't mean he's not serving.
 
BeatArmy said:
You don't have to worry about insurance, HMOs, drug costs, or any of the money-related problems that plague the US healthcare system.

Read the military med forum indeed. Triscare? It's as bad as any real-world HMO.

The military lifestyle can be a plus for people, too. When you aren't deployed, the hours will generally be better than as a civillian doc.

Look this up in the military med forum also. This is absolutely false. Why? It's not because of lots of patients, but instead being assigned lots of administrative non-medical duties.

Despite what has been said about families, the military is actually very family friendly, I find. Great support system for spouses and kids.

Considering your spouse can go wherever the military assigns you. This could be the absolute middle of nowhere. Then, they could move you at any time, making your spouse and kids move with you again. You get little say as to where your duty station will be.

All of this can be backed up with military med posts. I can look these posts up myself if anyone would like.
 
MoosePilot said:
I'm 30 and deployed :laugh:

If everyone was so rationally self centered, the rest of you could fend for your own darn selves 🙂

If you love America and want to serve it, it can be worth it. Think about it.


For some reason, I always find this to make no sense. I notice that no real enemy that one can actually see is attacking us. IN that sense, how can one defend a country against them? The best one can do is eliminate as many of the 'other guys' as possible. In my honest opinion, the best way to 'serve ones country' is to actually SERVE ONES COUNTRY ...if its all about helping out your fellow countrymen, maybe help out at a free clinic sometimes, or work in an underserved area? ohhh, i don't know, just a few ideas.
 
superso said:
For some reason, I always find this to make no sense. I notice that no real enemy that one can actually see is attacking us. IN that sense, how can one defend a country against them? The best one can do is eliminate as many of the 'other guys' as possible. In my honest opinion, the best way to 'serve ones country' is to actually SERVE ONES COUNTRY ...if its all about helping out your fellow countrymen, maybe help out at a free clinic sometimes, or work in an underserved area? ohhh, i don't know, just a few ideas.

I agree. Like I said: There is nothing heroic about being 36 and comming out of the military w/o wife and kids and having PTSD. No matter how much money they pay you or whatever garbadge rhetoric they feed you it is not worth waking up with nightmares every night about dead people.
 
swifteagle43 said:
I agree. Like I said: There is nothing heroic about being 36 and comming out of the military w/o wife and kids and having PTSD. No matter how much money they pay you or whatever garbadge rhetoric they feed you it is not worth waking up with nightmares every night about dead people.


Sounds something like my dad would say, could be a desi thing...haha. You have an argument though.
 
Neuronix said:
Read the military med forum indeed. Triscare? It's as bad as any real-world HMO.



Look this up in the military med forum also. This is absolutely false. Why? It's not because of lots of patients, but instead being assigned lots of administrative non-medical duties.



Considering your spouse can go wherever the military assigns you. This could be the absolute middle of nowhere. Then, they could move you at any time, making your spouse and kids move with you again. You get little say as to where your duty station will be.

All of this can be backed up with military med posts. I can look these posts up myself if anyone would like.

I can't say that I've spent that much time in the military med forum, but I have spent a lot of time with Navy docs and in Navy hospitals. That is what I based my post on, and I stand by it.
The part of the Tricare (or whatever they're calling it these days) system that starts to get ugly is when the patient wants to go pick their doc out in town. At that point, it does become very HMO-like. But that is largely invisible to the military docs working in the military hospitals and clinics. And lets not even get into malpractice liability.
I definitely stand by what I said about the hours generally being better for military docs, as well. It is a generalization, and therefore subject to exceptions, but the military docs I have known definitely worked less hours than their civillian counterparts. Of course, they make less money on average, too. And when you are deployed, it's a 24/7 job. And you are right about some of the "administrative non-medical duties." But many of the docs I know enjoy some of these duties. The flight surgeons really don't seem to mind the flight time they have to get. And many of the other docs like the time they are required to spend doing physical training and other activities with their units.
As far as the family issue, you are right about having to move around. Some people enjoy that aspect as well, though. Getting to live in different areas of the country every few years can be fun. Of course, it does raise potential problems, which needs to be considered before you decide to join.

I'm certainly not trying to get into any kind of debate here. I am just saying, from the inside, that the military lifestyle is not bad. I enjoy it, in fact. And most of the military docs I know are not just counting the days until their commitment is up. They like it enough to stay well beyond their commitment. I even know several who got out and came back because they preferred military medicine for the reasons I have discussed.

It's not like everybody in the military got duped into it in exchange for some tuition money. Some of us find it very rewarding. It's certainly not for everybody, and there are plenty of other ways to serve your country, but there are lots of positive reasons to go the military route.
 
Completely different from what I hear in the military med forum, but if it's for you, then it's for you. Good luck getting the residency you want, not being used as a GMO for 2 years before your residency, getting a duty station you (and your family) can live with, and I hope you're not thinking about peds or surgery. The Navy guys in the military med forum are probably the least happy. To each their own.

Not everyone is duped, but once you sign, you can't change your mind. Not even with payback. I'll let the forum make their own decisions why that might be.

Edit: Oh yeah, we're talking about USUHS, not HPSP. At least in USUHS you'll get first pick of residencies. http://forums.drslounge.com/showthread.php?t=167971
 
Neuronix said:
Completely different from what I hear in the military med forum, but if it's for you, then it's for you. Good luck getting the residency you want, not being used as a GMO for 2 years before your residency, getting a duty station you (and your family) can live with, and I hope you're not thinking about peds or surgery. The Navy guys in the military med forum are probably the least happy. To each their own.

Not everyone is duped, but once you sign, you can't change your mind. Not even with payback. I'll let the forum make their own decisions why that might be.

Edit: Oh yeah, we're talking about USUHS, not HPSP. At least in USUHS you'll get first pick of residencies. http://forums.drslounge.com/showthread.php?t=167971

HAHAHHAHAHAHA :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
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