Why did dentist's job ranking drop from 2nd to 9th best job in the US ?

[ColumbiaOrtho]

Does anyone know what caused the drop? just curious haha

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[dds_2024]

my speculation is probably due to the job outlook/future of dentistry due to COVID (less patient flow, less production)

but tbh, that's probably temporary (hopefully, haha)

 

[Faris_]

That's good. The industry is heading toward oversaturation, this can help slow this inevitable dark future of dentistry!

 

[sobertiger]

i wish it would go down more

 

[PerioDont]

it rhymes with student groans

 

[frozenicecreamDMD]

you should be happy dentist is ranked the 9th, I actually hope it ranks in the 20th or 30th. I don't know if I recall correctly but pharmacist used to be ranked pretty high up there, guess what happens, schools open like crazy and kill the profession now and pharmacists now struggle to seek full time positions

I never ever wish dentistry to be rank even in top 10th. the profession has many struggles outsides of just technical struggle (debt debt and debt)

you should watch what happens to PA now. since the last few years, PA schools open like crazy, and the market can only take so much. First oversupply will stabilize wage, then decrease wage a bit, then it goes down the rabbit hole.

and it is actually sad for healthcare to see PAs take the first spot. how can you go to school for only 2 years after college to study didactic and clinical and then "practice" medicine under a MD/DO. you simply does not have even breadth and depth of knowledge to do even if it is only family/primary care medicine. they are used to treat the pts who cannot afford it and it actually hurt the patients in the end.

I have seen some PAs work in private practice. they basically work alone and the MD/DO is not even there.

 

[AONLINE]

you should be happy dentist is ranked the 9th, I actually hope it ranks in the 20th or 30th. I don't know if I recall correctly but pharmacist used to be ranked pretty high up there, guess what happens, schools open like crazy and kill the profession now and pharmacists now struggle to seek full time positions

I never ever wish dentistry to be rank even in top 10th. the profession has many struggles outsides of just technical struggle (debt debt and debt)

you should watch what happens to PA now. since the last few years, PA schools open like crazy, and the market can only take so much. First oversupply will stabilize wage, then decrease wage a bit, then it goes down the rabbit hole.

and it is actually sad for healthcare to see PAs take the first spot. how can you go to school for only 2 years after college to study didactic and clinical and then "practice" medicine under a MD/DO. you simply does not have even breadth and depth of knowledge to do even if it is only family/primary care medicine. they are used to treat the pts who cannot afford it and it actually hurt the patients in the end.

I have seen some PAs work in private practice. they basically work alone and the MD/DO is not even there.

PA vs dentistry, who has it worse in term of saturation? Pharmacy as a profession is screwed beyond repair.

 

[Mauricio45]

At least I'm not a pharmacist!

 

[HMI]

Does anyone know what caused the drop? just curious haha

I've been out for 7 years and an owner for 4 years now (with good amount of solid CE courses) , believe me 9th ranking is exaggeration; its even worse. Oversaturation, low insurance reimbursement and patients' inability/unwillingness to pay for comprehensive/recommended Tx. Not to mention the ridiculous cost to become a dentist these days. I have a brother that is a pharmacist, it's better to be a salaried pharmacist than a dentist, the outlook is bad.

 

[AONLINE]

I have a brother that is a pharmacist, it's better to be a salaried pharmacist than a dentist, the outlook is bad.

Yeah being a salaried pharmacist is better if you can find a job, and that's not a guarantee. More than half of PharmD graduates struggle to get a job after graduation. Job prospect is not that sh*tty for new dentists, at least not yet.

 

[frozenicecreamDMD]

PA vs dentistry, who has it worse in term of saturation? Pharmacy as a profession is screwed beyond repair.

I guess to get just a job, PAs and dental are okay for now. but who wants just a job?

supply and demand. they are pumping out more PA and the market will self-adjust

plus, knowing what you know now, if you have PPO insurance, do you want to be seen by a PAs?

I've been out for 7 years and an owner for 4 years now (with good amount of solid CE courses) , believe me 9th ranking is exaggeration; its even worse. Oversaturation, low insurance reimbursement and patients' inability/unwillingness to pay for comprehensive/recommended Tx. Not to mention the ridiculous cost to become a dentist these days. I have a brother that is a pharmacist, it's better to be a salaried pharmacist than a dentist, the outlook is bad.

well at least you own your own clinic and be your own boss now, that is a great perks with many tax write off benefits. I don't know where you are located but outside super saturated selected areas, dentistry is pretty ok.

any industry market struggle with the things you mentioned (customers don't want to spend money, dont want to buy, etc etc). but I agree with you the cost to become a dentist nowadays is beyond nightmare.

being a salaried pharmacist is good if you are able to land hospital position. working for CVS isnt that dreamy either.

Yeah being a salaried pharmacist is better if you can find a job, and that's not a guarantee. More than half of PharmD graduates struggle to get a job after graduation. Job prospect is not that sh*tty for new dentists, at least not yet.

the new norm for full time pharmacist is 32 hours. and the salary is like 48-55$ for new grads. this is california rate so im just speechless.

 

[2TH MVR]

I've been out for 7 years and an owner for 4 years now (with good amount of solid CE courses) , believe me 9th ranking is exaggeration; its even worse. Oversaturation, low insurance reimbursement and patients' inability/unwillingness to pay for comprehensive/recommended Tx. Not to mention the ridiculous cost to become a dentist these days. I have a brother that is a pharmacist, it's better to be a salaried pharmacist than a dentist, the outlook is bad.

The funny thing is that your brother is over on the Pharmacy boards posting that it's better to be a salaried dentist than a pharmacist.

C'mon guys. Dentistry is better than pharmacy. Pharmacy is mostly corporate retail. Dentistry is headed there, but there is still plenty of time to have a traditional dental practice (rural/semi-rural). Medicine started this mess with all the urgent care facilities. Now dentistry has followed suit with all these Corp entities.

 

[beannaithe]

I've been out for 7 years and an owner for 4 years now (with good amount of solid CE courses) , believe me 9th ranking is exaggeration; its even worse. Oversaturation, low insurance reimbursement and patients' inability/unwillingness to pay for comprehensive/recommended Tx. Not to mention the ridiculous cost to become a dentist these days. I have a brother that is a pharmacist, it's better to be a salaried pharmacist than a dentist, the outlook is bad.

Yes, the insurance thing is the worst part. I'm getting paid less now than I was when I graduated over 10 years ago. We've had 2 big insurance companies cut reimbursements 25-30% across the board. That with student loans and post-COVID dentistry, it has gotten worse. Don't get me wrong it's still a fun gig, but I can't imagine how it's still in the top 10.

 

[yappy]

It's really hard to compare pharmacy to dentistry as they're such different jobs. I would think it is a rare person that would be equally satisfied in both fields. I think someone should do what you enjoy, keep your debt low, and be geographically flexible.

Why did dentistry drop? I don't know. Personally I've never cared much for these ranking lists. I seriously doubt they're well researched and they likely use junk data to determine the ranking if they use quantitative data at all.

 

[2TH MVR]

It's really hard to compare pharmacy to dentistry as they're such different jobs. I would think it is a rare person that would be equally satisfied in both fields. I think someone should do what you enjoy, keep your debt low, and be geographically flexible.

Why did dentistry drop? I don't know. Personally I've never cared much for these ranking lists. I seriously doubt they're well researched and they likely use junk data to determine the ranking if they use quantitative data at all.

Kind of reminds me of those stupid magazines touting Best Doctors of ----. I think the only qualification is if you PAY to have an ad in their stupid magazine .... you get to be a ..... wait for it .................................... BEST DENTIST of Any Town, USA.

 

[stumpdentist]

That's good. The industry is heading toward oversaturation, this can help slow this inevitable dark future of dentistry!

https://bhw.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/bureau-health-workforce/data-research/oral-health-2017-2030.pdf

^^While I completely agree that there is a problem with oversaturation, I was surprised to see some stats from the National Center for Health Workforce Analysis suggesting the opposite.

• "Demand for general dentists is predicted to exceed supply by 2030"
• "Under the status quo scenario, the national demand for dentists is projected to increase by 9 percent to 206,850 FTEs in 2030. Roughly similar growth rates are also predicted in the demand for general dentists (9 percent), oral surgeons (7 percent), endodontists (7 percent), periodontists (11 percent) and other dentists (12 percent), while the demand for pediatric dentists (2 percent) and orthodontists (-1 percent) is expected to grow slowly or not at all"

Very, very surprising. Especially with the increase of schools opening.