Suny upstate, while hardly an amazing school, recently matched grads into plastics at Penn, ortho at HSS, and many gsurg and IM at BWH/MGH/Yale, residencies out of reach for DOs.
EDIT: Yale does take DOs for IM....
In one of your previous posts, you complained about how DOs always use "that guy" who went to Mayo and ever since you always use "the other guy" who went somewhere else from a low tier MD school.... These matches are not common on either side and not applicable to the general population of pre-meds/med students.... Sure, if you are dead set on going to MGH, you probably shouldn't go to a DO school but going to a low tier MD school will also be of very little help, if any; and most (as in the vast, vast majority) of people who go to DO or MD (esp. low tier MD) don't end up going to MGH.
Here's a thread about MD/DO radiology applicant experiences this cycle. I think it's worth a read. A chief resident doing selection discusses the issue.
http://www.auntminnie.com/Forum/tm.aspx?&m=339485&mpage=1
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It's also interesting that the two DOs posting on that thread say that it'll be fine and they did OK and it's the MD students/residents/etc. saying how the OP will not match (b/c you know the MDs have so much experience about how DOs do) and sharing their delightful ideas/opinions about DOs....
You still haven't told us what your deal with DOs are though? I mean if you'd just posted once or twice about your experience (n=1) we could've attributed that to you wanting to share your experiences.... But making every thread on SDN about DOs and Radiology?
😕 You forgot to include your famous line about how FMGs do better than DOs in this one though, so you might want to go back and edit it!
Should I preemptively include the NRMP match results again on this thread too?
To dismiss his opinion (which I'm sure is informed) just because he is a "pre-med" and assume he "has no clue" is for lack of a better word stupid. His point was that MDs have a better chance at matching into more established, reputable residency programs (esp. for competitive fields), which for the most part are located in more desirable locations, affiliated with top tier hospitals, and have great fellowship match rates (cards, GI, etc.) etc. etc. I was under the impression this was a pretty established, general rule, and virtually all the MD medical students and pre-allo kids seem to accept it. All the attendings I've spoken to (I work at a hospital) at a reputable NorCal teaching hospital agree with his sentiments (and I am very pro-DO, respect DOs, and considered DO myself). Even the DO attendings (which shocked me) told me to go any MD over DO to maximize my chances. They (DO) are phenomenal physicians BTW. These kinds of stories are commonplace on the pre-allo forum.
Now judging a school by its match list is a poor objective metric in regards to how good the school is, but that's not my point. Someone mentioned that a well established DO school can get their DO students into residency programs AS WELL AS "lower tier" MD applicants, but judging by the match list of well regarded, cream of the crop DO schools like PCOM and Western, I can't say that's true as a general rule. I browsed through several match lists for "lower tier" (unranked, lowest NIH funding) MD schools, looking for matches into competitive residency programs (took a while to research), and the matches for these "lower tier" MDs are generally stronger overall, esp. for competitive fields like ortho, oto, derm, etc. In regards to primary care residencies, the advantage seems to be much smaller. Also, there seems to be a geographical bias for matches (see residency forum), so keep that in mind as well (in other words, stay West if you want to match West, etc.)
You are free to choose whatever career path you want and you should not rely on anything people tell you on SDN (including me).... Take all the information from all sources and make up your mind.... No body is here on SDN recruiting you to go to DO school ... And DO or MD attendings are entitled to their opinions... But just to generalize one attending at one hospital to the entire profession, it doesn't seem fair.... For every DO attending that says go MD, I can find you 2 DO attendings that will tell you the opposite (unfortunately, they don't participate on SDN forums)... Also, pre-allo and allo on SDN are not the authorities on the subject...
Just to be clear, if you go back and read my post, I did say that low tier MD schools do get a slight advantage in competitive specialties... I also said that they get a great advantage at their home program.... Both of which are easily balanced by the availability of AOA positions.... So, for instance, if you exclude all of the Univ. of KS matches from their match list then, their match list is not that different than the DO schools stated above...
Last but not least, the match list is irrelevant... I have friends who ranked community programs oner ivy league programs because that's what they want... The question is whether attending a low tier MD school will give you any
great advantages over attending a DO school to the point that would be worth the hardship for someone who for whatever reason prefers the DO school.... And as a DO student (who just matched btw), it is my OPINION that the answer to that question is NO.... Others may disagree....