Why do law firms and banks often have gyms in their buildings but not hospitals?

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Why do large law firms, large banks, and corporations often have gyms in their buildings, but not hospitals?

Aren't doctors suppose to want a "healthy" lifestyle?

I've been wondering, and who better to ask than sdn.

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Why do large law firms, large banks, and corporations often have gyms in their buildings, but not hospitals?

Aren't doctors suppose to want a "healthy" lifestyle?

I've been wondering, and who better to ask than sdn.

Umm... have you ever worked in a hospital? Many do. And many that don't have an affiliated facility nearby. Those that don't are probably fairly small but most/all of the larger ones I've worked for or been in (say 400+ beds) had a gym for the staff (either in the bldg or owned by the hospital but in a separate bldg or nearby. Some are also shared w certain pt-related programs (e.g., the PM&R service).
 
Umm... have you ever worked in a hospital? Many do. And many that don't have an affiliated facility nearby. Those that don't are probably fairly small but most/all of the larger ones I've worked for or been in (say 400+ beds) had a gym for the staff (either in the bldg or owned by the hospital but in a separate bldg or nearby. Some are also shared w certain pt-related programs (e.g., the PM&R service).

Okay, maybe hospitals do and I just didn't notice, ask the right people, or search their website well enough. Many employers are really loud about their gyms, using them as incentives to attract potential employees.
 
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Okay, maybe hospitals do and I just didn't notice, ask the right people, or search their website well enough. Many employers are really loud about their gyms, using them as incentives to attract potential employees.

The hospitals I have worked for did not have gyms for employees, but they offered an employee discount with certain gym chains. The discount wasn't that great though -_-.
 
I suspect the reason is entirely economics. Having an on-site gym requires a significant initial investment for space and equipment and then the overhead costs of maintaining it. It's rather difficult to estimate how much usage the gym will get and whether people actually even want to work out before/after shifts or whether they'd want to come back to the hospital to work out on their day off. It's much less of a risk and cheaper to subsidize memberships to the local gyms.
 
I totally read this as 'why don't law firms and banks have hospitals in their buildings'
 
From what I've seen, most hospitals are affiliated with some sort of sports center for patients to rehab at. Doctors and other employees generally get a discounted membership rate.
 
I have never heard of there being gyms in banks o_o
 
Probably because most hospitals, if they were to spent $$$$$ to build a new wing and put a gym in it instead of a new cancer wing, pediatric wing etc. they would probably get bad press, and it would probably be against their mission. Most hospitals are affiliated with gyms, and for the ones in the cities, there are likely gyms nearby.
 
As people pointed out, they usually give employee discounts to gyms nearby, or allow you to use the rehab gym. My hospital doesn't allow us to use the patient gym, so they're giving us a discount to a big gym chain down the street.

More than money, the issue in hospitals is almost always space. That's why hospitals are always so confusing to walk through- they can only expand so far within their established location, so they add weird towers and extra floors and get rid of parking garages to add more space. So then half the hospital is new, half the hospital is old. And at least at my current hospital, it's one of those "if you build it, they will come" situations. We built a couple more wings in the hopes that it would relieve the constant "we don't have any more beds, can't admit right now" issue but within days the new beds were full and we couldn't fit anyone again. Hospitals are full to capacity pretty much all the time, so the space has to be used wisely for clinical care, attendings' offices, and research. A gym is not necessary for any of those things. On interviews, I saw that the only places that had gyms for employees were either huge and new hospitals (often without the reputation of the older, more established ones) or the gym was in the basement somewhere you literally couldn't fit anything else.
 
Law firms and banks are for profit, while most hospitals are not.
 
Why does CVS make sick people walk to the back of the store for prescriptions, yet smokers can just walk to the checkout?

Answer that one OP and I shall answer yours.
 
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Why does CVS make sick people walk to the back of the store for prescriptions, yet smokers can just walk to the checkout?

Answer that one OP and I shall answer yours.

So that the people getting prescriptions peruse the other items in the store.
 
Why do large law firms, large banks, and corporations often have gyms in their buildings, but not hospitals?

Aren't doctors suppose to want a "healthy" lifestyle?

I've been wondering, and who better to ask than sdn.

Some do. Another question is, why are there health professionals who smoke and/or eat large quantities of sugar?
 
Some do. Another question is, why are there health professionals who smoke and/or eat large quantities of sugar?

Because smoking is relaxing and sugar taste good? Doctors are humans who have vices just like everyone else.
 
Why do large law firms, large banks, and corporations often have gyms in their buildings, but not hospitals?

Aren't doctors suppose to want a "healthy" lifestyle?

I've been wondering, and who better to ask than sdn.

When I interviewed for med school, better than half the places I visited showed off their in house gyms. And those affiliated with local universities often had deals to allow access for med students and faculty to the university gym across campus . Conversely, most of the places I practiced law didn't have gyms -- most don't.
 
Because smoking is relaxing and sugar taste good? Doctors are humans who have vices just like everyone else.

We should expect physicians to be role models. Nobody's going to heed advice about a healthy lifestyle from a fat body physician.

The greatest irony I have seen is a group of respiratory therapists smoking in the parking lot. 😕
 
We should expect physicians to be role models. Nobody's going to heed advice about a healthy lifestyle from a fat body physician.

The greatest irony I have seen is a group of respiratory therapists smoking in the parking lot. 😕

Great, I'd like to see this debate rehashed again.

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We should expect physicians to be role models. Nobody's going to heed advice about a healthy lifestyle from a fat body physician.

The greatest irony I have seen is a group of respiratory therapists smoking in the parking lot. 😕

Great, I'd like to see this debate rehashed again.

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We should expect physicians to be role models. Nobody's going to heed advice about a healthy lifestyle from a fat body physician.

The greatest irony I have seen is a group of respiratory therapists smoking in the parking lot. 😕

Don't be surprised when you see a ton of nurses constantly heading for smoke breaks(and some med students!!), hospital staff eating McDonalds every day, and your med student classmates putting on the pounds 😛

If you expect every single physician to be the biggest role model ever...you might be disappointed D:
 
Why does CVS make sick people walk to the back of the store for prescriptions, yet smokers can just walk to the checkout?

Answer that one OP and I shall answer yours.

Uh because if the cashiers weren't at the front of the store, people would shoplift more. And the pharmacy is its own department with its own stock that needs to be tucked away in the store. And cigarettes are sold by customer service, which makes sense to be closer to the cashiers than the pharmacy....

okay now let's hear your answer
 
Why does CVS make sick people walk to the back of the store for prescriptions, yet smokers can just walk to the checkout?

Answer that one OP and I shall answer yours.

Agree with MDtichen and geebeejay. Plus the front of CVS stores is more heavily supervised (than any other area except the pharmacy) which is good for age-restricted stuff and products people like to steal.
 
I suspect the reason is entirely economics. Having an on-site gym requires a significant initial investment for space and equipment and then the overhead costs of maintaining it. It's rather difficult to estimate how much usage the gym will get and whether people actually even want to work out before/after shifts or whether they'd want to come back to the hospital to work out on their day off. It's much less of a risk and cheaper to subsidize memberships to the local gyms.

Sounds plausible.

The counterargument: Putting a gym in the building lowers healthcare costs, according to some corporations. When employees stay in shape, they require fewer disability payments, fewer sick days, less healthcare. Some corporations say that off-sets the cost of the gym.

Gyms are also a perk that can help a business qualify for "Best Companies to Work For" awards and attract gifted employees.. plus "no time" is one of the most popular excuses not to work out, or so I've heard.

I'm not sure about the truth of the matter. I'm sure that truth could be found by asking corporations who have already installed gyms. Did the gym lower healthcare costs? How did you know employees would use it? etc. There are probably surveys like that available somewhere.
 
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Uh because if the cashiers weren't at the front of the store, people would shoplift more. And the pharmacy is its own department with its own stock that needs to be tucked away in the store. And cigarettes are sold by customer service, which makes sense to be closer to the cashiers than the pharmacy....

okay now let's hear your answer

Agree with MDtichen and geebeejay. Plus the front of CVS stores is more heavily supervised (than any other area except the pharmacy) which is good for age-restricted stuff and products people like to steal.

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Why do large law firms, large banks, and corporations often have gyms in their buildings, but not hospitals?

Aren't doctors suppose to want a "healthy" lifestyle?

I've been wondering, and who better to ask than sdn.

I would also point out that a lot of the firms that give amenities like this do so because they are trying to not let you go home. For example the big law firms all offer car service, dog walking, pick up dry-cleaning, and order out for dinner for employees who are still there after, say, 9 pm. You don't think the firms are making money off you even with these little perqs when they are having you slave away well into the evening? In house gym in these places is more of the same. Given the ulterior motives behind such perquisites do you really feel the need to be jealous?
 
I would also point out that a lot of the firms that give amenities like this do so because they are trying to not let you go home. For example the big law firms all offer car service, dog walking, pick up dry-cleaning, and order out for dinner for employees who are still there after, say, 9 pm. You don't think the firms are making money off you even with these little perqs when they are having you slave away well into the evening? In house gym in these places is more of the same. Given the ulterior motives behind such perquisites do you really feel the need to be jealous?

I wish hospitals would acquire those motives, or maybe they already do have those motives, and have different ways of keeping employees around into the evening hours.

Who says you can't have it all?

You don't have to be jealous to be proactive.
 
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Mine has a gym that's also used for inpatient stuff, and offers a lot of fitness classes in multipurpose meeting rooms. Employees also get discounts at nearby "real" gyms. There is definitely a focus on employee wellness and it is related to economics (not because they are trying to make us work late, but because healthier employees cost less from an insurance perspective). I don't think that this kind of setup is too unusual for hospitals, and I think that more would be open to offering classes if employees organized to put it together. Med schools all seem to have nice gyms.
 
Why do large law firms, large banks, and corporations often have gyms in their buildings, but not hospitals?

Aren't doctors suppose to want a "healthy" lifestyle?

I've been wondering, and who better to ask than sdn.

Agree.

When you are a resident, you kinda have to be in the hospital so having a gym in a nearby building is not really a great option.
 
I wish hospitals would acquire those motives, or maybe they already do have those motives, and have different ways of keeping employees around into the evening hours.

Who says you can't have it all?

You don't have to be jealous to be proactive.

Well, the hospitals certainly don't need this to keep the residents in because they're already mostly staying at the hospital as long as work hour restrictions permit. Patient care needs to happen, and the only ones in-house 24/7 are the residents. There's no real "leaving early" because all you'd be doing is signing out your patients onto the next resident, who already has plenty of other stuff to do. So for the most part resident shifts are a well-oiled machine- someone's there during the day, does the admissions and takes care of the patients until a predetermined time, then the night people come in and you sign out to them and they stay until the next morning. And so on and so forth. There's no real "leaving early" or "leaving late"- here at 6pm the pager goes from being the day team's to the night float person's, so even if you leave at 8pm because you're writing notes, your patients are technically being taken care of by someone else. This varies somewhat depending on the specialty, but for the most part it's how it works.

The only time I could foresee really being able to use the gym as a resident I guess is if I were on call...but then I feel like I'd be nervous about being mid-run and getting paged, then having to talk to the nurses while I'm panting or having to go see the patient without time to shower etc. I don't know, I may be overthinking it. I just feel like I'd end up using the gym either before or after a shift, so it doesn't really have to be in the hospital.
 
2 major hospitals in my town. 1 owns their own gym off campus. The other owns 2 gyms off campus. One of the ortho centers on one of the campuses has a small rehab center but most major rehab is not done on the hospital campus. Employees pretty much get half off from their respective gyms.
 
When you are in the hospital forever, the last thing I would want to do is stay there and work out.

Although we do have free weights in our ortho on call room; although we don't take in house call...we just use it to get huge between cases. :naughty: :meanie:
 
Agree.

When you are a resident, you kinda have to be in the hospital so having a gym in a nearby building is not really a great option.

At a big hospital being off in a call room at the other end of the hospital can sometimes be further from your patients than the gym across the street. but honestly you aren't going to be working out significantly while on call -- it's tiring enough, and you stink enough as is being in the same clothes for 24 hours. You certainly can wander over after a shift before you go home though.
 
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