Why do people hate anatomy lab?

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People have such bad attitudes toward anatomy lab... I mean, isn't it really worth our time to find each branch of the facial nerve coming through the parotid gland? Even if it means staying there until 7pm??? C'mon people, you're suppose to be martyrs... I'm not seeing martyrdom here!
 
I think it's because many people assume it is crazy hard. Just like in undergrad I remember when I took organic chem everyone in the class was so stressed out and hated the class based on the thought alone.
 
medsurg2010 said:
People have such bad attitudes toward anatomy lab... I mean, isn't it really worth our time to find each branch of the facial nerve coming through the parotid gland? Even if it means staying there until 7pm??? C'mon people, you're suppose to be martyrs... I'm not seeing martyrdom here!
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Why does medsurg already have 2 threads started titled "Why do ppl ______?" referring to his classmates?

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DrZeke said:
Why does medsurg already have 2 threads started titled "Why do ppl ______?" referring to his classmates?

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I wasn't going to go there but thought it.

Look, everyone has things they're frustrated about and want to whine about. Airing your dirty laundry with other people in the same situation just reminds us of what we don't like so save us the grief and suck it up.
 
medsurg2010 said:
People have such bad attitudes toward anatomy lab... I mean, isn't it really worth our time to find each branch of the facial nerve coming through the parotid gland? Even if it means staying there until 7pm??? C'mon people, you're suppose to be martyrs... I'm not seeing martyrdom here!
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I had a thread about gross lab a couple of weeks ago.

I thought I would have learned anatomy better if I had spent the time differently. As for desensitization or demystifying the human body, I was well demystified before I arrived so such a lesson was not worthwhile to me.

In my view, no it wasn't worth my time to find each branch of the facial nerve. I know where they are, and I can point them out on a prosected body, but I'm afraid that I did more disrespect to the specimen by digging for them myself. I'd rather spend my time testing CN VII clinically or learning about its connections in neuro.
 
soeagerun2or said:
I wasn't going to go there but thought it.

Look, everyone has things they're frustrated about and want to whine about. Airing your dirty laundry with other people in the same situation just reminds us of what we don't like so save us the grief and suck it up.
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You are absolutely awesome!!! These are the future doctors that won't be able to understand why the whole hospital won't bend over for them.
 
Because it stinks...! And it's a lot of work. but really, its just the smell. 😱
 
Sweet enchilada man, chill out! People who are trying to project themselves as driven as you usually don't have time to ponder the lazy habits of others. If you're so obsessed with working 20 hours a day, studying 3, and sleeping 1 why do you keep posting these outrageous questions- but keep doing it, I find them hilarious. I digress however. The answer medsurg is that dissection isn't efficient learning. Knowing spatial anatomy definitely is and there is usually a cadever that the professors work on and it highlights the anatomy beautifully. You gather more knowledge studying that than doing it yourself. Lazy? Maybe... but the professors don't have to go home and learn every stinking innervation, blood supply, and function of every god forsaken muscle and organ. Staying at the lab till 7 is probably academic suicide during anatomy season.
 
exlawgrrl said:
I also have a hunch that she's been here before with a different name.
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My guess: premedgirl07

Easy way to find out though. Hey OP, how do you feel about Feminism? 😉
 
I hated anatomy lab. And in my experience the ones that hate lab hate it b/c they learn so little from it. Some people absolutely love lab, but when I talked to these people I realized that they actually learned from it. We all have different learning styles, and anatomy lab [unfortunately] caters to only one learning style. It's not really about being lazy, and it's not about not being curious about the material. For me, it was just the frustration of realizing that while I was so over-worked, I was standing in a room wasting several hours. Under different circumstances, I think I would have really enjoyed lab. I don't think I'm stupid, and I don't think I'm lazy. But at the end of the day, it comes down to how many hours I have to get my work done.
 
I hate anatomy more for logistical reasons. I think I would get a lot more out of it if each body was prosected out for a certain region in a very detailed manner so that you could pick out every structure easily. Digging for crap when you are first looking even in a semi prosected body is such a waste of time. I don't mind as much if I have a general expectation of everything.

Oh yea, and going at anatomy for 4-5 straight hours is just stupid. By 2-3 hours the fumes have given me migranes and my retention has dropped to 0.

Learning the actual anatomy is kinda neat. I think the anatomical variations are pretty cool. But then all the memorization ruins it...
 
Suckers. This is the same troll who started the thread complaining about people not wanting to be detained in lecture so he can satisfy his intellectual curiousity about things no one else cares about.

"why do people hate anatomy lab?" --clearly a disingenuous question.
 
I haven't started med school yet, but am freaked out by anatomy lab. I mean, staying at lab till 7 pm digging through dead bodies when it is dark outside sounds creepy!! Yes, I want to learn the structures well and some people have said that it is a good idea to look at different specimens. But, I guess everyone acclimates to looking at a room with dead people on tables...part of the med school journey I guess :scared: .
 
Maybe they hate it bacause there you have to do really works for studying.

I remember that when I was on the army, whole platoon hated assault training because it was so physical. We learned a lot, but we were so tired after trainig that we hardly get back to our barracks. After military service all those hard trainings feels that they were best time on the forces.
Same thing in medschool...
 
bubabugster said:
7 pm digging through dead bodies when it is dark outside sounds creepy!!... But, I guess everyone acclimates to looking at a room with dead people on tables...part of the med school journey I guess :scared: .
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Anatomy lab = 70% fascia picking & 30% learning

I've been in lab until well past 7... on halloween! :barf:

Depending on the dynamics of your group, lab can be useful. Pick your partners (if you are allowed to do so) wisely.
 
Wizard of Oz said:
I had a thread about gross lab a couple of weeks ago.

I thought I would have learned anatomy better if I had spent the time differently. As for desensitization or demystifying the human body, I was well demystified before I arrived so such a lesson was not worthwhile to me.

In my view, no it wasn't worth my time to find each branch of the facial nerve. I know where they are, and I can point them out on a prosected body, but I'm afraid that I did more disrespect to the specimen by digging for them myself. I'd rather spend my time testing CN VII clinically or learning about its connections in neuro.
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Oh I complete agree with you!!! 🙂

Have you ever read the book "Stiff"? It talks about how lots of programs are looking to phase out dissection and mainly work with prosection. I know some schools that only do dissection for part of the lab and mainly use prosection. I think this is a decent idea, because you still get the idea of digging around for stuff but don't mess up the entire body.

I took a full year gross anatomy lab, and my cadaver was really good for some sections and terrible for others. Dissecting the abdomen was a complete waste, but his facial strutures came out truly beautiful. The truth is, tearing someone up is really not THAT important. If you go into surgery structures don't feel the same as an embalmed body in a lot of cases. So, I think that a little bit of dissection with mainly prosection is a hot idea. I think one of the best times in lab was after dissecting once or twice, they have a surgeon come in and discuss a dissection while doing it on one of your cadavers regions. We had this, and it was helpful I guess to know what body parts really felt like or why he particulary highlighted certain things because of their relevance to any surgery...
 
am i the only one who thought the OP was being sarcastic? 😕

if he's not being sarcastic...that's just awful. truly
 
bubabugster said:
I haven't started med school yet, but am freaked out by anatomy lab. I mean, staying at lab till 7 pm digging through dead bodies when it is dark outside sounds creepy!! Yes, I want to learn the structures well and some people have said that it is a good idea to look at different specimens. But, I guess everyone acclimates to looking at a room with dead people on tables...part of the med school journey I guess :scared: .
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Something baffles me about how most people study for anatomy lab: When you study for histo and path, you don't study from artistic renderings of tissue sections. You study photographs. So why study from artistic renderings of anatomical structures? I like Netter, and all, but I'd rather study Rohen.

Go to lab, but buy and study from Rohen. These are the most beautifully dissected bodies you'll ever see. And that's the kind of stuff that you'll be tested on.

And DO NOT, DO NOT stay until 7 pm digging through structures. You'll be taking away from actual study time to do, basically, scut work. This is a sure set up for failure.

But yes, you'll get used to the dead bodies, and you stop being worried that they'll suddenly reach up and grab your shoulder.
 
Seriously, guys, why spend so much time in lab? our body was well-dissected without ever spending more than 2 hours in lab (at most, three times a week). A lot of times we took off after an hour. It's really not necessary to find all five branches of C VII - you'll never have to do that again! know WHAT it does, and where it comes out. good enough.
 
smq123 said:
Something baffles me about how most people study for anatomy lab: When you study for histo and path, you don't study from artistic renderings of tissue sections. You study photographs. So why study from artistic renderings of anatomical structures? I like Netter, and all, but I'd rather study Rohen.

Go to lab, but buy and study from Rohen. These are the most beautifully dissected bodies you'll ever see. And that's the kind of stuff that you'll be tested on.

And DO NOT, DO NOT stay until 7 pm digging through structures. You'll be taking away from actual study time to do, basically, scut work. This is a sure set up for failure.

But yes, you'll get used to the dead bodies, and you stop being worried that they'll suddenly reach up and grab your shoulder.
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Thanks for the advice!
 
medsurg2010 said:
People have such bad attitudes toward anatomy lab... I mean, isn't it really worth our time to find each branch of the facial nerve coming through the parotid gland? Even if it means staying there until 7pm??? C'mon people, you're suppose to be martyrs... I'm not seeing martyrdom here!
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Why do people hate anatomy lab?

Because it does not, in fact, taste like chicken.
 
smq123 said:
Something baffles me about how most people study for anatomy lab: When you study for histo and path, you don't study from artistic renderings of tissue sections. You study photographs. So why study from artistic renderings of anatomical structures? I like Netter, and all, but I'd rather study Rohen.
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I like drawings because they can cut to the chase. You're not going to be working on preserved cadavers ever again, so I think it helps to have an idealized version of what things are supposed to look like rather than a mental image of a cadaver. If I was trying to learn the cranial nerves, I liked being able to look at just the nerves (plus, Netter can draw nerves that are behind solid structures, like the Vidian nerve), or all the branches of the brachial plexus, without having the coracobrachialis draped over it. I did like the Ackland's DVDs, but only to a point. I used them almost more for personal enrichment.
 
I really enjoyed anatomy lab, and I think one reason was that I already had a large background knowledge of anatomy. It wasn't as if I was in the lab to learn the material that I didn't know yet, it was more a process of looking for the relationships as they exist. I even volunteered to do some prosecting for our class because I liked dissecting so much. I would spend extra time in the lab to get things done because I liked it, I enjoyed just sitting there and trying to find things.
 
medsurg2010 said:
People have such bad attitudes toward anatomy lab... I mean, isn't it really worth our time to find each branch of the facial nerve coming through the parotid gland? Even if it means staying there until 7pm??? C'mon people, you're suppose to be martyrs... I'm not seeing martyrdom here!
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martyr from dictionary.com:
mar·tyr /ˈmɑrtər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mahr-ter] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a person who willingly suffers death rather than renounce his or her religion.
2. a person who is put to death or endures great suffering on behalf of any belief, principle, or cause: a martyr to the cause of social justice.
3. a person who undergoes severe or constant suffering: a martyr to severe headaches.
4. a person who seeks sympathy or attention by feigning or exaggerating pain, deprivation, etc.
–verb (used with object)
5. to make a martyr of, esp. by putting to death.
6. to torment or torture.

Um... I'm not sure doctors are supposed to be martyrs per se. I mean yes we are suffering to get our education for the benefit of others and ourselves... but um... I don't see the point in expecting a newly minted MS1 to be a martyr ... for anatomy lab. 😕
 
TheProwler said:
I like drawings because they can cut to the chase. You're not going to be working on preserved cadavers ever again, so I think it helps to have an idealized version of what things are supposed to look like rather than a mental image of a cadaver. If I was trying to learn the cranial nerves, I liked being able to look at just the nerves (plus, Netter can draw nerves that are behind solid structures, like the Vidian nerve), or all the branches of the brachial plexus, without having the coracobrachialis draped over it. I did like the Ackland's DVDs, but only to a point. I used them almost more for personal enrichment.
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I see what you mean, and I agree to a certain extent. I should probably amend my previous statement by saying that I used Netter to study for class and the written exam. (Actually, my school recommended Grant's atlas, which I hated.) But I used Rohen to study for the practicals. I found that Netter didn't help at all when it came to taking the practicals, although Netter is more useful than Rohen's during the actual dissection.
 
and why do you keep annoyingly asking so much whys??
 
becuase it sucks??😀
 
medsurg2010 said:
People have such bad attitudes toward anatomy lab... I mean, isn't it really worth our time to find each branch of the facial nerve coming through the parotid gland? Even if it means staying there until 7pm??? C'mon people, you're suppose to be martyrs... I'm not seeing martyrdom here!
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We had a pretty nice time finding all the muscles that move the eye around the other day. But we never did find things like oculomotor, abducens or trochlear nerve. I can see these CN comming off the brainstem, pons, and medulla, but after I started digging around the eye ball...everything starts looking like peritobrital fat....

"Appreciate and destroy" is the motto I sometimes hear.
 
Why do ppl hate anatomy lab?

I think because between Rohen's and Netter's you can do most of your studying without the lab.
 
I was really pro-lab, I like digging around and felt like I was learning so much that it was really worth the time (granted I never spent more than the scheduled lab time there except once or twice a block). In the last block I got sick and I missed the last 1/3 of the dissections. My proffessors left two already dissected bodies in the lab for me to study over break and I took the exams in the first week of January. I literally spent 3 hours in the lab looking at prossections and did better on the lab exam than I ever had before. I definitely think that there is some merit to taking part in some dissections but overall the prossections seem like a much more efficient use of my time, which is stretched thin as it is in medschool. Looking back I really didn't need to pick all that adipose out on my own to understand what was under it.
 
the smell.....
 
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