Why do that call it a "Doctor" of Pharmacy?

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Not looking to poke fun, this is a serious question.

I mean, you dont have a PhD or an MD or DO, etc.

Are you really a doctor?

Explain the title to me.

Thank you much for all info.
 
Its a Professional title. Don't think of it as an actually "Doctor" title, think of it as a Doctorate degree. A professional title is different from a graduate degree (MSc), bc it ultimately decides your profession.

Pharmacists are Doctors of Pharmaceuticals
PhD is a Doctor of whatever-they-studied
MD is a Doctor of Medicine.
 
Oilsooner said:
Not looking to poke fun, this is a serious question.

I mean, you dont have a PhD or an MD or DO, etc.

Are you really a doctor?

Explain the title to me.

Thank you much for all info.
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Oh no you didn't...
 
megandupe said:
Its a Professional title. Don't think of it as an actually "Doctor" title, think of it as a Doctorate degree. A professional title is different from a graduate degree (MSc), bc it ultimately decides your profession.

Pharmacists are Doctors of Pharmaceuticals
PhD is a Doctor of whatever-they-studied
MD is a Doctor of Medicine.
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Great.

Thanks for the info. It was exactly what I was looking for.
 
megandupe said:
Its a Professional title. Don't think of it as an actually "Doctor" title, think of it as a Doctorate degree. A professional title is different from a graduate degree (MSc), bc it ultimately decides your profession.

Pharmacists are Doctors of Pharmaceuticals
PhD is a Doctor of whatever-they-studied
MD is a Doctor of Medicine.
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Right, it relates to educational level. It's a professional degree at the doctorate level. Hence, Doctor of Pharmacy (PharmD).
 
The important thing to remember is that you can indeed insist on your technicians calling you "doctor so-and-so" AND you should be encouraged to add "Dr" to all of your identifying stuff (be it your grocery store club card, your business card, your mailing address, etc!)
 
Passion4Sci said:
The important thing to remember is that you can indeed insist on your technicians calling you "doctor so-and-so" AND you should be encouraged to add "Dr" to all of your identifying stuff (be it your grocery store club card, your business card, your mailing address, etc!)
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I dont know about all that, but ok.
 
Passion4Sci said:
Give it time grasshopper.
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wearing this to high school reunion:

hello-my-name-is.jpg


with "Doctor" written in. That's right....just "Doctor."

:laugh:
 
Passion4Sci said:
The important thing to remember is that you can indeed insist on your technicians calling you "doctor so-and-so" AND you should be encouraged to add "Dr" to all of your identifying stuff (be it your grocery store club card, your business card, your mailing address, etc!)
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I agree partially with this. It instills confidence in the consumer and establishes authority inside the working place. That being said, OUTSIDE of the working place, I would never ever say "I work as a Doctor or Hi, I'm Dr. Farmpharm." Let's not kid ourselves, the establishment of the word "Doctor" is reserved for physicians; however, inside the working place, it can be used for the above reasons.

And regarding business cards/grocery cards/ mailing adress, I would hesitate to do so. I would rather put Farmpharm, PharmD. Same thing like lawyers who are also "Doctors." They put JD or Attorney at Law. It's rather embarrassing and you feel like a fool/tool, when people exclaim "Oh you're a doctor! Can you tell me real quick, my son broke his foot how long will it heal up", and you reply, "oh, I'm a pharmacist." *queue nervous laugh/shrug* Awkkkkkkkkward.
 
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megandupe said:
Its a Professional title. Don't think of it as an actually "Doctor" title, think of it as a Doctorate degree. A professional title is different from a graduate degree (MSc), bc it ultimately decides your profession.

Pharmacists are Doctors of Pharmaceuticals
PhD is a Doctor of whatever-they-studied
MD is a Doctor of Medicine.
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I'm sorry but this just kept bugging me.😳:laugh:

PharmD is a Doctor of Pharmacy.
 
Passion4Sci said:
The important thing to remember is that you can indeed insist on your technicians calling you "doctor so-and-so" AND you should be encouraged to add "Dr" to all of your identifying stuff (be it your grocery store club card, your business card, your mailing address, etc!)
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Don't forget hotel and restruant reservations! Also, when telemarketers call for Mr. P4Sci correct them that it's Dr. P4Sci before hanging up on them.
 
Excuse me Dr. P4Sci, where do you keep the condoms? Do you have bananas on special? 😉
 
personally, I don't call MD's 'doctors'. They are physicians, surgeons, etc. DDS's are dentists, PharmD's are pharmacists. PhD's are doctors. Wayyy back long time ago-like there was only one prof. degree and it was the MD, so they were the only doctors besides PhD's so the title stuck like that, and is still stuck like that. Doctor isn't specific at all when you think about it.. doctor of what?? and why would you address someone by the category of their degree instead of what they do? just my opinion..
 
If you wanna technical answers only professors with phd are doctors because doctor means teachers, but pharmacist are professionals. Masters degree you get it from a graduate school but Jd pharmd md you get them from professional schools and it's base on the level of the education and also their legal obligation after graduation. Pharmacist just like medical doctors do have an option to do residency after school and by 2020 ASHP and ACCP are pushing for mandatory residencies for all graduates!
 
wmw said:
personally, I don't call MD's 'doctors'. They are physicians, surgeons, etc. DDS's are dentists, PharmD's are pharmacists. PhD's are doctors. Wayyy back long time ago-like there was only one prof. degree and it was the MD, so they were the only doctors besides PhD's so the title stuck like that, and is still stuck like that. Doctor isn't specific at all when you think about it.. doctor of what?? and why would you address someone by the category of their degree instead of what they do? just my opinion..
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veyep said:
If you wanna technical answers only professors with phd are doctors because doctor means teachers, but pharmacist are professionals. Masters degree you get it from a graduate school but Jd pharmd md you get them from professional schools and it's base on the level of the education and also their legal obligation after graduation. Pharmacist just like medical doctors do have an option to do residency after school and by 2020 ASHP and ACCP are pushing for mandatory residencies for all graduates!
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If you want to be technical, then you must follow the origin and use of the word, not just the latin translation.

The term "doctor" when referred to physicians (or medical practitioners) first appeared in the written English language in 1377. It even appeared in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales. Shakespeare in the early 1600s talked about doctors.

Doctor as in "teacher" appeared in 1387. The "Doctors of the Church" first appeared in 1303. In reference to the highest academic degree, it was first referenced in 1377. Interesting enough, a "doctor of law" also first appeared in the English language in 1377.

"Physician" first appeared in the written English language in 1230 (it was spelled fisitiens)


The term "doctor" and "physicians" have been in use for hundreds of years, which is why it is so ingrain in our society and why people in hospitals when hearing "doctor" don't automatically associate it with academic degrees. That is why people say "I'm going to see my doctor" and "Is there a doctor on board?". In the UK and British Commonwealth (except Canada), medical school graduates are not awarded a doctorate, yet are given the title of "doctor" in hospital settings.

As for PhDs, the first "doctor of philosophy" degree awarded was in Paris in 1150*, but it didn't become an advanced research degree until the 19th century (mainly in Europe - Germany). The first actual use of "PhD" in the written language was in 1839 (first appeared in the Journal of Royal Geographic Society)

The word "pharmacist" first appeared in 1721. "Pharmacy" appeared as early as 1385 in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales. "Fermacies of herbes and eek saue They dronken for they wolde hir lymes haue."



*with dates and first use, they are only in reference to the English Language. Some of these terms may have been used earlier in another language (latin, french, etc)
 
wmw said:
personally, I don't call MD's 'doctors'. They are physicians, surgeons, etc. DDS's are dentists, PharmD's are pharmacists. PhD's are doctors. Wayyy back long time ago-like there was only one prof. degree and it was the MD, so they were the only doctors besides PhD's so the title stuck like that, and is still stuck like that. Doctor isn't specific at all when you think about it.. doctor of what?? and why would you address someone by the category of their degree instead of what they do? just my opinion..
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I do the same thing I like to call them by their professional career specialty such as Oncologist, Obstetrician and not just cancer doctor or baby doctor. I don't even like using doctor unless I'm talking to a Phd.
 
JohnnyRomanes said:
I do the same thing I like to call them by their professional career specialty such as Oncologist, Obstetrician and not just cancer doctor or baby doctor. I don't even like using doctor unless I'm talking to a Phd.
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I use it interchangeably. Yes, I know titles are really meaningless; however, I guess you have to see the other point of view. Many physicians work their butt off for 4 years in undergrad, have to get in with the highest standards of any health profession, go through 4 more years of schooling, then go through 2-3 if they specialize, and then they get their M.D.. They sure as hell earned that establishment of being called Doctor.

A few of my M.D. friends do get annoyed when others (not physicians) call themselves "Doctor," because they are technically demeaning/putting less emphasis on a word that has been reserved for the theoretically the highest of medical standards.

Simply put, if you introduce yourself as a Dr. or any of that business to a physician, they most likely think you're a tool. Guarantee it.

Edit: Put this same topic in the M.D./pre-allopathic forums, and you'll see what I mean. LOL
 
JohnnyRomanes said:
I do the same thing I like to call them by their professional career specialty such as Oncologist, Obstetrician and not just cancer doctor or baby doctor. I don't even like using doctor unless I'm talking to a Phd.
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1) So, instead of easily saying "dr. X, hello!", you'd rather say "Anesthesiologist X, hello!". Very interesting way to make your wordy life much easier. I envy you😡

2) How would you call an MD that specialized in family medicine? "Family medicine doctor X, hello!" Hmm...nah...mine sucks. I better wait for your version :corny:
 
Farmpharm said:
I use it interchangeably. Yes, I know titles are really meaningless; however, I guess you have to see the other point of view. Many physicians work their butt off for 4 years in undergrad, have to get in with the highest standards of any health profession, go through 4 more years of schooling, then go through 2-3 if they specialize, and then they get their M.D.. They sure as hell earned that establishment of being called Doctor.

A few of my M.D. friends do get annoyed when others (not physicians) call themselves "Doctor," because they are technically demeaning/putting less emphasis on a word that has been reserved for the theoretically the highest of medical standards.

Simply put, if you introduce yourself as a Dr. or any of that business to a physician, they most likely think you're a tool. Guarantee it.

Edit: Put this same topic in the M.D./pre-allopathic forums, and you'll see what I mean. LOL
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I also busted my ass for 4 years in undergrad, and am in my 3rd year of pharm school, and will probably do a 2 year residency (ie 10 years total schooling) I think I will have earned it as well. People need to start getting more specific about the term "doctor", because it doesn't just refer to physicians.
 
eighthchord said:
I also busted my ass for 4 years in undergrad, and am in my 3rd year of pharm school, and will probably do a 2 year residency (ie 10 years total schooling) I think I will have earned it as well. People need to start getting more specific about the term "doctor", because it doesn't just refer to physicians.
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Gotcha, but as long as medical schools have the highest possible entrance requirements, length, and difficulty, the term "doctor" will always be associated with physicians. Yes you have a doctorate, and so do dentists, lawyers, and phds. But who are we kidding, when we say "I'm going to the Doctor tommorow evening to go get a check up." We are going to see a physician. It's been established throughout our culture that way, and internationally to. I'm sure you can be the first to break the mold and make people know that you're a doctor, but I think many won't really acknowledge it. (behind your back that is)
 
Sparda29 said:
If you join the military, which title comes first?

Is it, Dr. Leftenant Sparda or Leftenant. Dr. Sparda?
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Assuming you're referring to the U.S. military, it's "Lieutenant".
 
group_theory said:
If you want to be technical, then you must follow the origin and use of the word, not just the latin translation.

The term "doctor" when referred to physicians (or medical practitioners) first appeared in the written English language in 1377. It even appeared in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales. Shakespeare in the early 1600s talked about doctors.

Doctor as in "teacher" appeared in 1387. The "Doctors of the Church" first appeared in 1303. In reference to the highest academic degree, it was first referenced in 1377. Interesting enough, a "doctor of law" also first appeared in the English language in 1377.

"Physician" first appeared in the written English language in 1230 (it was spelled fisitiens)


The term "doctor" and "physicians" have been in use for hundreds of years, which is why it is so ingrain in our society and why people in hospitals when hearing "doctor" don't automatically associate it with academic degrees. That is why people say "I'm going to see my doctor" and "Is there a doctor on board?". In the UK and British Commonwealth (except Canada), medical school graduates are not awarded a doctorate, yet are given the title of "doctor" in hospital settings.

As for PhDs, the first "doctor of philosophy" degree awarded was in Paris in 1150*, but it didn't become an advanced research degree until the 19th century (mainly in Europe - Germany). The first actual use of "PhD" in the written language was in 1839 (first appeared in the Journal of Royal Geographic Society)

The word "pharmacist" first appeared in 1721. "Pharmacy" appeared as early as 1385 in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales. "Fermacies of herbes and eek saue They dronken for they wolde hir lymes haue."



*with dates and first use, they are only in reference to the English Language. Some of these terms may have been used earlier in another language (latin, french, etc)
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Quick aside...this may be the first time Chaucer has been quoted in these forums. Excellent work.
 
I believe its a doctor of pharmacy because we are the formost expert in our field much like a PhD is to academia, MD is to physician, and a D.D is to Theology
 
2411t said:
I personally have the highest regard for individuals with PhD. Hopefully get some alphabet soup behind my name with a PharmD/PhD, and yes... I will introduce myself as "Doctor."
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No pharmacist in the hospital, PhD or otherwise, introduces themselves as Doctor. By all means, go ahead and do this, but know that everyone from the lowly LPN to the chief of medicine will think you are a tool and get a good laugh out of it.
 
Oilsooner said:
wearing this to high school reunion:

hello-my-name-is.jpg


with "Doctor" written in. That's right....just "Doctor."

:laugh:
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And make the license plate of your car say TARDIS... ;-)
 
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megandupe said:
Its a Professional title. Don't think of it as an actually "Doctor" title, think of it as a Doctorate degree. A professional title is different from a graduate degree (MSc), bc it ultimately decides your profession.

Pharmacists are Doctors of Pharmaceuticals
PhD is a Doctor of whatever-they-studied
MD is a Doctor of Medicine.
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Not to be picky, but a PhD means you have a Doctor of Philosophy. You usually say that you have a PhD in Biology or Chemistry or Theology or whatever you studied..

And, to another poster, you can have a PhD in Theology. I personally wouldn't do a PhD in English or Theology, but those that do put in the work and are experts in their field. They may or may not be geniuses, but no more than those with "serious" PhDs. I heard a lecturer with a PhD and RN say the other day that the chicken pox virus retreats into your immune system and then comes back as cold sores. And she called AIDS an autoimmune disease. Neither of which, obviously, is correct.
 
Farmpharm said:
I use it interchangeably. Yes, I know titles are really meaningless; however, I guess you have to see the other point of view. Many physicians work their butt off for 4 years in undergrad, have to get in with the highest standards of any health profession, go through 4 more years of schooling, then go through 2-3 if they specialize, and then they get their M.D.. They sure as hell earned that establishment of being called Doctor.

A few of my M.D. friends do get annoyed when others (not physicians) call themselves "Doctor," because they are technically demeaning/putting less emphasis on a word that has been reserved for the theoretically the highest of medical standards.

Simply put, if you introduce yourself as a Dr. or any of that business to a physician, they most likely think you're a tool. Guarantee it.

Edit: Put this same topic in the M.D./pre-allopathic forums, and you'll see what I mean. LOL
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I have a PhD in molecular and cellular biology, and in another two years, I'll (hopefully!) have a PharmD. You better believe I call myself doctor occasionally, and I'll end up using this title a lot if I end up teaching. Don't you refer to your professors with doctorate degrees as Doctor? As the other poster pointed out, Doctor referring to the highest degree has been around longer than it has referred to a physician. Actually for awhile, "Doctors" who diagnosed didn't actually touch the patient or do any surgeries themselves. Those were done by surgeons, who were considered trade people and not the higher class Doctors were put in.

Granted, I wouldn't introduce myself as Doctor at a cocktail party (that's just pretentious, even if you have an MD) or at work, especially in a hospital, as it's confusing to patients. But I've most likely been in school longer than most of the doctors there (unless they have their PhDs, too). I deserve to refer to myself as Doctor, even though mostly what I get to Dr. FarscapeGirl is mail from my university asking for money, sale e-mails about PCR kits, and the occasional wedding invite from my friends who also have PhDs!
 
If I had a Ph.D. and a Pharm.D. (or maybe if I just had the Pharm.D., but probably not) I would correct someone if they called me "Mr. jpribilski." That's really the only time it would come up. I usually don't introduce myself or sign letters as "Mr. jpribilski," so I don't see why I would do "Dr. jprybylski, Pharm.D., Ph.D."

Also, I would put "Dr." if asked for a name prefix on a form.
 
I have yet to hear someone referring to a pharmacist as a "doctor." I have worked at a few hospitals and not once that I have encountered a pharmacist who introduces himself/herself as doctor_____. I think it will sound pretty stupid. It will be equivalent to a lawyer calling himself doctor. However, it will be comical if a pharmacist went around the grocery store calling himself doctor____. LOL
 
group_theory said:
If you want to be technical, then you must follow the origin and use of the word, not just the latin translation.

The term "doctor" when referred to physicians (or medical practitioners) first appeared in the written English language in 1377. It even appeared in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales. Shakespeare in the early 1600s talked about doctors.

Doctor as in "teacher" appeared in 1387. The "Doctors of the Church" first appeared in 1303. In reference to the highest academic degree, it was first referenced in 1377. Interesting enough, a "doctor of law" also first appeared in the English language in 1377.

"Physician" first appeared in the written English language in 1230 (it was spelled fisitiens)


The term "doctor" and "physicians" have been in use for hundreds of years, which is why it is so ingrain in our society and why people in hospitals when hearing "doctor" don't automatically associate it with academic degrees. That is why people say "I'm going to see my doctor" and "Is there a doctor on board?". In the UK and British Commonwealth (except Canada), medical school graduates are not awarded a doctorate, yet are given the title of "doctor" in hospital settings.

As for PhDs, the first "doctor of philosophy" degree awarded was in Paris in 1150*, but it didn't become an advanced research degree until the 19th century (mainly in Europe - Germany). The first actual use of "PhD" in the written language was in 1839 (first appeared in the Journal of Royal Geographic Society)

The word "pharmacist" first appeared in 1721. "Pharmacy" appeared as early as 1385 in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales. "Fermacies of herbes and eek saue They dronken for they wolde hir lymes haue."



*with dates and first use, they are only in reference to the English Language. Some of these terms may have been used earlier in another language (latin, french, etc)
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This response made me think of the search overload/bing commericals. Haha.
 
In the UK, however, the MD is actually a research degree and not the entry-level medical degree, in contrast to the various doctoral professional degrees awarded in the US, which are needed to practice [insert regulated health profession here].
 
2411t said:
How ignorant you sound drawing conclusions with insufficient data. Who said anything about me working in a hospital? PharmD/PhD will give me excellent credentials for a managerial position at a pharmaceutical company and (with lots of hardwork) possibly departmental director. It's Doctor B*tch.
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Lol. I actually had a professor (with a PhD) give us a 15 min lecture on how to politely acknowledge your professors, by using terminology like Dr. So and So, BECAUSE they had busted their butts off for 5-7 yrs earning that status.

So from my understanding, its a 'treat your elders with respect' deal. Although i've never met a middle-aged phd who introduced himself as Doctor.
Its like that episode of Friends where Phoebe mocks Ross for referring to himself as a doctor, even though he's a paleontologist.
 
2411t said:
I understand where you're coming from, but I didn't mean theology... when I said ministry... I MEANT MINISTRY... VOLUNTEER WORK! Just fyi, he was a high school teacher of psychology and we all thought he was a *****
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Yeah, there are definitely people with PhDs that might as well have got their degrees inside a cereal box for all the knowledge and rational thinking they show...
 
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