... are pre-dents, former pre-dents who believe their state schools in Arizona, Indiana, or Alabama reign supreme, current NYU students with bad grades, and all others who fail to appreciate the school's resources, location, and its class size (believe me you - this, too, is a positive). And also, I have nothing against the aforementioned states... in fact, those are great schools for various reasons. It's just that people who grew up in the area know NY, appreciate NY, and have no reason to EVER live in other parts of the country. I can do that when I retire, or if my skin suddenly turns creamy Caucasian overnight.
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PROS: It's the largest school in the country, and has a huge patient base. It has newly built and extensive facilities in all practice areas. A must-see. A top-notch faculty is associated with tremendous research and the federal funding for it is growing exponentially. With the large class comes diversity in both the student population and its resources. The school has relationships with dental businesses and consultancies, such as the Levin Group.
New York City speaks for itself. Look at the largest and best known practices in NYC and the Northeast, and you'll see the pull-and-power NYU has. And if you want to specialize, look at current rosters in residency programs nationwide. Likewise, alumni success is measurably significant - and future networking opportunities are good. And - I need Korean food on 32nd street.
Finally, as an Asian-American, I was excited to run into throngs of international dentists (from Asia, Africa, Europe, etc) who were there to be trained on a post-grad and CE level. It tells you a lot about a school's clinical reputation, faculty, and facilities. I saw this at Harvard, but did not see this at Columbia (perhaps b/c their facilities suck). All of the above are my observations, and not a statistical study conducted over 6 months. Please take it as that.
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CONS: It is a friggin large school with limited personalized attention. Location is associated with high expenses (mainly b/c of its non-tuition costs). There have been infamous rumors of high drop-out rates in past years, coupled with an uncaring and unresponsive administration. Yes, some have said that the large patient base can be BAD b/c of the large student population. Agreed. But I'd rather have a large and diverse pool of patients in the nation's largest city than be happy with a statistically higher "average-patients-per-student" figure in another podunk or second-tier-city institution.
Listen. I, too, was scared and put off by the negativity towards NYU on this website. In fact, I even thought only idiots attended NYU, and thought I should only consider it b/c my GPA (~3.0) is low compared to my DAT (24). And I'll say this straight up, albeit at the risk of sounding cocky. I studied econ/bio at Northwestern for undergrad, had a free ticket to NU medical school years ago before being disillusioned (was in a guaranteed BA/MD program - HPME), scored a 1580 and 1500 on the SAT and GRE, respectively, did a masters at Harvard, have an MPH and MHA, will be publishing an article with Harvard faculty this summer, made good money as a pharmaceutical management consultant - and straight up - I did not want to go to A SCHOOL FILLED WITH REJECTS and IDIOTS. But life is funny, and NYU was the only school to accept me (never mind my January application-submit date). Penn, Harvard, and Columbia rejected me. I had toyed with UMDNJ, Temple, and Stony Brook, but never seriously considered them. Though they are fine schools - bottom line- I did not want those names associated with my academic resume (perhaps I should have applied to them). So I was, in essence, FORCED to consider NYU. I thought I was headed to NYU College of Idiot Dentistry, with other rejects, lazy-asses, and/or foreigners with accents.
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But after I visited, my ill-conceived notions all faded and changed. Yes, some there hate the school, and some there went to garbage state schools and graduated with garbage grades - only to get into NYU and nowhere else. But there are tons of talented kids from Ivy League schools, top-20 institutions, or whatever rank/list/benchmark you prefer - who clearly selected NYU prudently among other acceptances. Would I have liked the "Harvard" name on my resume? Sure - but I already have it - and so do other kids at NYUCD.
One needs to check out the facilities, faculty, resources, alum base, and location - and compare it against other schools - and one will undoubtedly be blown away. This is an absolute mandate for ANY predent, for ANY school and not just NYUCD. But especially if you're from a large-city background or from the Northeast, NYU is a great option. They're large, old problems are being fixed, and they rock. Consider it.
👍 And when you do visit, pick up a copy of NEXUS, their publication, and read it when you're on the crapper. It'll make the experience that much more pleasant.
Frankly speaking, I'm getting a little weary of the NYU-bashing from some of the idiots on this board. A lot of it has SOME basis, MUCH of it is uncorroborated, and NONE of it is foolproof. Conversely, I can bash EVERY DENTAL SCHOOL in the US - just give me 5 minutes of Google-ing time - and I can come up with enough ammunition with which to flush any school down the toilet. But not ALL of it may be based on truth. Do I know for sure that I'll be successful b/c of NYU? I can't be 100% certain. But ask me in 4 years, and we'll compare notes.