Why Don't more people moonlight regularly?

[TOMFighter]

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It seems like you can easily make 100k/yr while in residency

why not?


Are moonlighting jobs tough to find? Are they more available in the city or in rural areas?

 

[chitown82]

It seems like you can easily make 100k/yr while in residency

why not?

Do you want to have a life? In the small amount of free time you have, would you rather be with friends/drinking/dating/enjoying hobbies/reading/watching movies, etc or doing extra shifts in an ER?

 

[TOMFighter]

Do you want to have a life? In the small amount of free time you have, would you rather be with friends/drinking/dating/enjoying hobbies/reading/watching movies, etc or doing extra shifts in an ER?

Yes, I want a life, but If I have a wife, and I knock her up twice over, she's not going anywhere.

Which would give me ample time to collect currency.

 

[TOMFighter]

Do you want to have a life? In the small amount of free time you have, would you rather be with friends/drinking/dating/enjoying hobbies/reading/watching movies, etc or doing extra shifts in an ER?

but are these gigs tough to find, and am I better off doing a rural residency or a city residency to get them?

 

[howelljolly]

Because the individual residency programs and the ACGME have rules about moonlighting (from work hour limits to simply not allowing it) that you can not violate without losing your residency.

Also, many people are too tired after their resident duties to function in another job.

Combine the two, and many people don't moonlight.

 

[TOMFighter]

Because the individual residency programs and the ACGME have rules about moonlighting (from work hour limits to simply not allowing it) that you can not violate without losing your residency.

Also, many people are too tired after their resident duties to function in another job.

Combine the two, and many people don't moonlight.

Do all programs work you to the limit of 80 hours per week, or is it more of an UP TO 80 hours?

WHat do most IM residents work?

 

[howelljolly]

but are these gigs tough to find, and am I better off doing a rural residency or a city residency to get them?

Either one. Rural areas need doctors, urban areas have positions available. Youre better off figuring out which cities or states are amenable to moonlighting, and go from there. I think a lot of people moonlight in Philly.

 

[TOMFighter]

Also, thanks for all the help! I really appreciate it!

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[howelljolly]

Do all programs work you to the limit of 80 hours per week, or is it more of an UP TO 80 hours?

WHat do most IM residents work?

It depends on the specialty and the block you are on. In surgery, you usually work the full 80 hours (if not more). In psych - maybe 60?

Internal med - depends on the block... inpatient, usually 65 hours, ICU, closer to 80.

And these are what the resident reports, its likely more.

 

[TOMFighter]

It depends on the specialty and the block you are on. In surgery, you usually work the full 80 hours (if not more). In psych - maybe 60?

Internal med - depends on the block... inpatient, usually 65 hours, ICU, closer to 80.

And these are what the resident reports, its likely more.

One last question.

I'll be in some debt when I graduate; is it possible to pay it off as soon as I have the money in order to dodge the accruing interest, or must I pay it off on their scheduled plan?

I haven't taken any loans out yet (will start beginning MS3)

I'm MS2.5

 

[chitown82]

Yes, I want a life, but If I have a wife, and I knock her up twice over, she's not going anywhere.

Which would give me ample time to collect currency.

🙂

 

[gutonc]

One last question.

I'll be in some debt when I graduate; is it possible to pay it off as soon as I have the money in order to dodge the accruing interest, or must I pay it off on their scheduled plan?

I haven't taken any loans out yet (will start beginning MS3)

I'm MS2.5

Yes, you can pay loans off as soon as you can/want.

Also, keep in mind that you need a full, unrestricted medical license in order to moonlight (as a general rule, there are a few in-house moonlighting gigs that are open to residents but these are becoming more rare). This will require at least 1y of residency training (depending on the state and whether you are a US or foreign grad). You will also need to be cleared by your PD in order to moonlight, for both in-house and outside opportunities. So if s/he doesn't feel you're up to snuff clinically, s/he can nix your plans.

 

[howelljolly]

One last question.

I'll be in some debt when I graduate; is it possible to pay it off as soon as I have the money in order to dodge the accruing interest, or must I pay it off on their scheduled plan?

I haven't taken any loans out yet (will start beginning MS3)

I'm MS2.5

Thats not much debt. You can pay loans of as fast as you want. Sometimes, you can even select to pay off the principle before the interest... so your interest will accumulate at a less ridiculous rate.

Yes, you can pay loans off as soon as you can/want.

Also, keep in mind that you need a full, unrestricted medical license in order to moonlight (as a general rule, there are a few in-house moonlighting gigs that are open to residents but these are becoming more rare). This will require at least 1y of residency training (depending on the state and whether you are a US or foreign grad). You will also need to be cleared by your PD in order to moonlight, for both in-house and outside opportunities. So if s/he doesn't feel you're up to snuff clinically, s/he can nix your plans.

That too. And depending on your situation, and what state you're in, you may or may not be able to apply for an unrestricted license during your residency. Some require you to have completed your intern year... some require more. If you're an IMG you may not be able to get an unrestricted license at any time during your residency.

 

[jgl1980]

Well In house moonlighting is the best because you do not have to buy your own liablilty insurance. If you go out side your institution you have to buy your own malpractice insurance. The cheapest I have heard of was around 200 dollars. There may be some cheaper but the only problem is that they do not have tails. This means when you discontinue the insurance and the patient decides to sue you your new insurance will not be picking up the tab. But it is a good way to pick up some extra cash and experience. Just some things to think about that you do not hear about. In my opinion in house is the best but it tends to pay a little less then outside moonlighting jobs.

 

[Bobblehead]

While the money can be good, at some point in time, no matter how much incremental income they're offering, it's not worth it spending another night sleeping in the hospital and feeling like a zombie the next day.

 

[TOMFighter]

THanks for the replies.

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and luck to you all:
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