Why hate on hard workers?

[45408]

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Yeah, I do. I just fail to see how that actually affects my education if some dude is being superdoc over there. Please educate me.

Does the staff wishing he were on call affect your education in a way I don't see?

Obviously. They think you're incompetent relative to him and your evaluations will reflect that.

Why on earth are you bringing up theories of MANAGEMENT into a discussion on individual resident perspectives? This is the second time I've seen you bring this up. Dude, nobody cares about your theories of economics and management. Whether or not someone working more than the rest of the group has an effect on GROUP productivity is irrelevant. We are talking about how does one person's work habits affect your learning PERSONALLY.

That's incorrect.

I really think its not as black and white as "this guy works the hardest, everyone else who works less is lazy and doesn't care about education"

Of course it's not black and white. Everything in real life tends to be more nuanced, but I'm being dichotomous for the sake of example.

There was a recent thread in which someone asked if it was okay if he came in on his day off to help the team or to round on his patients. The other residents (on SDN) unanimously said not to do that, because it would mess with the team dynamics.

 

[Instatewaiter]

What would you do if one of your fellow residents decided to come in on his/her days off to round on his patients or stay late for every single case/procedure? Might make some of you guys look bad for not being so eager...

I'd probably buy them a beer. I'm covering them on their day off. By coming in on their day off, they are taking some of the work off of my shoulders. I'd also probably jokingly make fun of them to their face.

At this point in the game, I don't really give a **** if someone wants to work hard. Good for them. I myself work plenty hard. If they don't pull their weight, I do care about that.

Now if them coming in is specifically to look good and make others look bad, well that's ****ty.

The staff start wondering why you're not as interested as him. Sure wish he was on call tonight instead of you.

Let them wonder.

Obviously. They think you're incompetent relative to him and your evaluations will reflect that.

No, they wont.

 

[45408]

Let them wonder.



No, they wont.

They don't just wonder.

 

[Wordead]

Most of his comments on this thread smack of "kid who never worked an actual job before", so in that context it shouldn't be too surprising that he just doesn't get it.

You can't teach the willfully ignorant.

[Unfortunately, he will likely follow up with a comment along the lines of "but you didn't explain to me how it affects MY education!" The expected level of hand holding through this elementary thought exercise further supports him being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse.]

Your line of thinking is essentially "He works harder than me and thus people want to work with him and he gets better evals. This is totally unfair". Are you kidding?

I worked for 5 years before medical school, as an engineer and a biotech consultant. Never once did we begrudge someone working hard. That's just not done, at least not at any respectable company. Someone works harder than you, they get a better eval and the promotion. I don't see a problem with that.

You have medical school mentality - going around telling people to stop studying so much, calling them gunners or whatever. Aren't you a little too old to be indulging in these stupid games? I'll admit I was being deliberately obtuse - on the off chance that someone could come up with a cogent argument that wasn't "everyone should be dragged down to your common denominator". Someone works harder than me and gets better evals, good for them.

 

[username456789]

Your line of thinking is essentially "He works harder than me and thus people want to work with him and he gets better evals. This is totally unfair". Are you kidding?

Wut.

I have no idea where you pulled that from but please don't project your ideas onto me. That's not at all my line of thinking, that's the strawman you were hoping someone else would build for you; however, since no one has, you feel the need to pull **** like this.

 

[username456789]

You have medical school mentality - going around telling people to stop studying so much, calling them gunners or whatever.

Are you kidding? I was the one studying so much in med school. I'll fully admit that. And I probably would've ended up in some crappy specialty if I wasn't.

You are so far off the mark on just about everything you've come up with so far that I'm pretty sure the whole "deliberately being obtuse" thing is more than just in the past tense for you.

Unless you really are just that clueless.

Residency is a team sport, whether you want to entertain that thought or not. Judging by your posts, you likely don't play well with others, so I imagine that's bad news for you. Unfortunately, when there's animosity towards even one team member, the entire dynamic can change, sometimes significantly. People become spiteful, conflicts arise, and yes your own learning experience can become compromised. And you'd better hope the administration doesn't see this person's actions as "potential we hadn't yet realized in our residents."

Here's a very real example, since you want to play the obtuse snark: in my current TY program, we have one particular resident who goes out of his way to not only work as fast as he can (which is fine), but constantly broadcast to all with a pulse just how damn hard working and awesome and super efficient he is. To the point that most people just give up trying to even talk to him in the first place. He even went so far as to ask the administration if he could leave earlier on his non-late stay days since he finished all his work so early.

The solution?

Interns now carry 10 patients instead of 8 patients on my Medicine service, all because of his incessant need to prove how awesome he was. And while going from 8 to 10 patients may not seem so terrible, this makes a very big difference in terms of productivity and the amount of time I get to spend actually thinking and learning about my patients' medical conditions vs the amount of time I'm spent doing extra notes and BS social work for the extra two patients I'm carrying.

So yes, I would say this one person's actions have actually interfered with my ability to learn. Not to mention the intrapersonal conflicts it causes, which absolutely interfere with the entire medicine experience.

 

[45408]

Your line of thinking is essentially "He works harder than me and thus people want to work with him and he gets better evals. This is totally unfair". Are you kidding?

I worked for 5 years before medical school, as an engineer and a biotech consultant. Never once did we begrudge someone working hard. That's just not done, at least not at any respectable company. Someone works harder than you, they get a better eval and the promotion. I don't see a problem with that.

You have medical school mentality - going around telling people to stop studying so much, calling them gunners or whatever. Aren't you a little too old to be indulging in these stupid games? I'll admit I was being deliberately obtuse - on the off chance that someone could come up with a cogent argument that wasn't "everyone should be dragged down to your common denominator". Someone works harder than me and gets better evals, good for them.

None of us are talking about the guy who keeps his head down, knows his stuff, works hard and efficiently. Good for him. I work with some people like that, and I don't begrudge them the fact that their evaluations are probably better than mine. GuyWhoDoesStuff gave you a perfect example of what I mean - the idiot who speaks up (or does something fairly deliberate that get's noticed) and ends up making things worse for everyone.

 

[Instatewaiter]

None of us are talking about the guy who keeps his head down, knows his stuff, works hard and efficiently. Good for him. I work with some people like that, and I don't begrudge them the fact that their evaluations are probably better than mine.

This is who I was talking about.

GuyWhoDoesStuff gave you a perfect example of what I mean - the idiot who speaks up (or does something fairly deliberate that get's noticed) and ends up making things worse for everyone.

I think we all hate that guy. This is a gunner more so than a hard worker. There is a distinction there, perhaps it is humility. The gunner will speak up not only to get himself noticed but also to throw his fellow intern/residents under the bus. The hard worker just does his work and doesn't complain.

 

[Wordead]

Alright, well, I guess we're just violently saying the same thing then.

 

[jackets5]

I also really hate people think because they come early and stay late they are working hard. A lot of the time they are working slow and inefficient.

 

[circulus vitios]