Why is being morbidly obese considered obnoxiously disgusting?

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So I was flippin' through my subscription to Playboy, and I saw a fat person in it. Of course, this spoiled my fine taste in reading literature, and it had me thinking, "You know masterMood (yes i said this to myself outloud because I am the best), why are fat people considered disgusting? And then my scientific mind wanted to refine the question more, and thus I said, "Why is being morbidly obese considered obnoxiously disgusting?"

I thought this because, evolution made us love sugar and things that taste real good and helps store it as energy-rich calories. So wouldn't having a lot of this be a good thing because it would show the opposite sex (or the same sex if you're like that, but not that there's nothing wrong with that) that you're well-fed and you can obtain a lot of food?

And if one argues that eating too much is bad, thus this is the reason, then I can say that exercising too much or pleasuring yourself too much is bad as well (because too much of any one thing is bad).

Discuss.

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This has absolutely nothing to do with the pre-allopathic forum.
 
masterMood said:
"Why is being morbidly obese considered obnoxiously disgusting?"

I thought this because, evolution made us love sugar and things that taste real good and helps store it as energy-rich calories. So wouldn't having a lot of this be a good thing because it would show the opposite sex (or the same sex if you're like that, but not that there's nothing wrong with that) that you're well-fed and you can obtain a lot of food?

There's something to be said for the evolutionary explanation of chubby=well fed=able to obtain food. But you have to temper that with another evolutionary explanation: Illness decreases survival prospects. Morbid obesity constitutes an illness which interferes substantially with most activities of daily living. Thus, mating with a morbidly obese individual places one at an evolutionary disadvantage. In cave-man terms, who cares if they can obtain a lot of food but they can't run out of the way of the stampeding woolly mammoths?

Not to mention that most of us are socially trained to equate physical fitness with beauty, so the enculturated response to obesity is to equate it with unattractiveness. One glace through a series of Renaissance artwork would show you that social standards of weight-related beauty change over time, and vary from culture to culture.
 
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Law2Doc said:
If you are sitting home flipping thru playboy on a friday evening, then you ought to take what you can get. :laugh:

:laugh: My first instinct was to reply exactly like that, but then I decided to cut the poor dude some slack. You've gotta admire the sheer bravery of someone who broadcasts their social ineptitude in an online forum with reckless abandon.
 
I think to understand our (not all of us!) aversion to morbid obesity is to better prepare ourselves as physicians.

I find it disgusting because I respect myself. I'm NOT saying that morbidly obese people don't respect themselves. I'm saying that MY level of obesity is indicative of MY self respect. If I were morbidly obese, I would be uncomfortable all of the time, physically, emotionally, and psychologically. I'm sure I don't need to elaborate on the specifics.

I guess that if I did not empathize with a morbidly obese person, I would be ambivalent towards them, i.e. its their lives, not mine. Wait, I take that back. I would still have a problem, in that I would not like those that insist society panders to their choice of being morbidly obese (meaning making concessons and accomodations to their situation, in such a way that affects my liberty, opportunity, and wallet).

Note: Morbid obesity for reasons other than lack of self control are a somewhat different matter. However, even if someone has a "glandular problem," they don't become morbidly obese by not eating 6000 Calories per day when all they need is 2000 Calories or less.

If I'm an ignorant turd, please educate me.
 
Law2Doc said:
If you are sitting home flipping thru playboy on a friday evening, then you ought to take what you can get. :laugh:

i did it first thing in the morning, but now i am going to a party, but then again anyone who responds in the next 5-7 hour time frame needs to be questioned :meanie:

i expect many educated responses
 
OctoDoc said:
If I were morbidly obese, I would be uncomfortable all of the time, physically, emotionally, and psychologically.

I've increased my weight by about 30% due to medication (not steroids 😉 ) and, for the first time in my life, I understand what being uncomfortable with your body means. I am uncomfortable -- my favorite clothes relegated a "thin box" at the back of my closet, energy levels plummet, the constant worry of what I look like to other people.

I can only image what morbidly obese people go through. It must be physically, emotionally, and psychologically devastating. And not much impetus to diet or exercise when your self-worth is in the basement.

On the flip side, a lot of heavier people say they are perfectly comfortable and happy in their bodies. As long as they're healthy, I see nothing wrong with that.

A lot of it has to do with genetics ... I was genetically lucky until the meds kicked it. Some people are genetically unfortunate in the weight department

But I know there's something wrong with my body ... it fits all wrong, and it doesn't feel good.
 
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In some cultures fat is beautiful, though perhaps not morbid obesity. Many of those cultures are present in places where food is scarce, so fat=wealth. Even in Western culture, standards of beauty change, just look at a panting by Reubens: By our standards, his women are fat.
 
there's something inherently unlikeable about someone who can't take care of themselves. to me it shows that they don't respect their body, the most wonderful gift we've been given as humans and that they have little sense of control over their actions. both of these traits are unattractive. note: i understand that not all obese people have these traits, sometimes its a thyroid thing or whatEVEr but 99% of the time it is the case and there's no two ways about it
-mota
 
I have absolutely no problem with obese people. However, treating them as patients can be somewhat challenging. First, there are all the problems that come with being morbidly obese-- arthritis, heart disease, blood pressure problems, diabetes, and all sorts of fun and preventable diseases that end up in your office wondering why you can't cure them. I've been told it can be immensely frustrating by physicians I work with, and it doesn't take too much of a stretch of the imagination to picture this.

Second, having excess amounts of adipose tissue can cause a lot of issues in regards to fragrance, especially with inpatients. Hygiene is always appreciated by all hospital staff, and this goes double with obese patients . Why? Because they tend to sweat more, and those rolls of fat create a wonderful breeding ground for all kinds of lovely and odiferous (is this a word?) bacteria which have a tendency to kill at least one CNA every six months in the hospital I work in. More patient= more bad odor= bad for us.

But before we are quick to judge, let's imagine how difficult it must be to be 100+ pounds overweight. Hell, I can't get off my asian ass to go upstairs to study for an exam I have Monday (or something like that), or write the two papers I have due next week (why do today what we can put off until tomorrow, if not next week?). Lifestyle changes are always difficult; so give the fat people a break.
 
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heh i don't know what the **** 3/4s all of youse said in the past 5 minutes. and yhou know what? i spent a good 30 seconds trying to fix my typo that i made in the word "minutes" in the first minute. Well, when i look on this on saturday (which is today actually), i'm gonnabe like wtf? ohhhhh. i cant' read this text, i need to go to sleep.
 
in many african tribes or maybe countries, i know that being fat is a sign of attractiveness
 
masterMood said:
in many african tribes or maybe countries, i know that being fat is a sign of attractiveness

Africa is a BIG place my friend. Care to elaborate?
 
Well if u iz morbidly obese, how iz u gonna get away from da 50?

But seriously. I really can't live with myself being obese when there are still starving people in the world. It's like, why should I hord all this energy when there are people out there that need it.
 
This is just my opinion...

I do find morbid obesity disgusting. In the same way, I also find being so thin that you look like I can snap you disgusting. Now I am at my "ideal weight", if not a bit thin (bf at the moment), but when I see a little toothpick, I think, "My God! I need to shove some food down her throat"! Now some people are naturally quite skinny, but I also went to school with at least 5 openly bulemic people (they bragged about it and would even throw up in front of people to prove it). I also have several obese friends. One of them is overweight, but I don't believe "obese", really, IMO. She eats incredibly healthy, excercises, and takes great care of herself. I don't know how she got the crap end of the genetic stick.

But when I worked in the hospital, I regularly had patients over 500 pounds. It was annoying and sickening, really. I never had any one of these patients who was happy with themselves, bathed themselves, gave a rats arse about being nice to other people, or even helped in their care. Now I have very little control over my sugar urges, and about 3 years ago I had some serious thyroiditis and put on some weight (about 30 pounds). I could NOT control it. I changed my diet and ate healthy, excercised, and finally beat the thyroid monster before it got too bad. But some people just don't care. You know there is a difference between if you are really trying, and if you have just given up on life and it takes knocking down your wall to get you out of your house so that my taxes have to pay to help you get medical treatment.

I am not saying that I would not help these people, by any means. But I think that help should be given before it becomes extreme. It is SO annoying to see somebody eating three value meals at McD's when they are wedged in a booth. Hello? Firstly, that would make me puke. Secondly, why is noone telling them what that is doing to them? And if they know, then why should I have to give the same respect to them, whether it is a drug addiction or a food addiction? OK that sounds wrong, but my mom is (honestly) in jail right now for drugs for 8-90 years. So I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder.

And I agree with OctoDoc that you don't usually become morbidly obese from "health problems" that you can't control. If you can eat 8,000 calories a day, then you can probably cut back and be healthier. And being just "fat" like what was used to be defined as beautiful, is fine if you are healthy. But I think that being healthy is more important than being attractive to a tribe in Africa (unless you are in that tribe). I think that women with a little meat on their bones are beautiful. It makes me sick to see all these little anorexics in magazines. Whatever happened to women like Marily Monroe and Renoir's models? But you know what, they were not morbidly obese. Oh yeah, there were plenty of royals in history who were morbidly obese, but they also had massive inbreeding/health/alcohol/opium/sex addiction/insanity issues. No joke. Read Royal Babylon. That's a bit OT, but it's a good book and it takes a look at some of the massively obese royal characters and how they got that way.

I am sorry if I offended anybody, I don't mean too, I just get a little carried away sometimes.
 
The original poster, I think, asked a very important and valid question. But it appears that the post has become an entirely different thread.

I am friends with someone who is fairly overwieght. Perhaps not morbidly obese, but certaintly overwieght enough where it presents some challenges for everyday life. Once she broke her femur bone after a very bad fall. When the ambulance arrived, they helped her - but not without a sense of "you are overwieght and we don't like to deal with overwieght people"

Privately she has told me some really sad things on how some people in society treat her. It is disheartening because she is an upright moral person. She does her best to treat other people with respect, yet there is that bias percieved against her.

And I think several of the post here have accurately reflected that bias and predjudice that not just morbidly obese people, but also many overweight people in general.

Let me ask you this, "A person who is morbidly obese....do you not think that they very well know that society secretly scorns them?"

Trust me, they know. They are human beings. They are not stupid, they know that people (such as SDNers) will look down on them, make all sorts of negative comments about them, and in short they know that society will look at them and be annoyed and disgusted.

And it puts them in terrible depression. Put yourself in their shoes. Imagine being outside and little children making fun of you and mocking you. Imagine knowing that other people, such as a doctor, getting annoyed and disgusted when they look at you in thier office.

Yes Yes, I know that some obese people act as if they don't care. Yes yes I know that they may have a bad smell or oder when we encounter them. Yes yes I know that some obese people consume far too much food. Yes yes, I know that obese people should know better. I have heard all of these petty and lame excuses 1000s and 1000s of times as being reasons for not extending our hand out and trying to love these people...

...If the best you can do is judge other people, then you have no time to love them.

Again ask yourself, "What crime or illegal activity have obese people committed so that they should deserve our disgust and scorn?"

Isn't it interesting how we as a society have ostracized these people, stoned them with our hearts and minds, and insulted them as we have done here on SDN - when they have committed no tresspass against us.

I find all the derogatory comments and posts to be interesting as they reveal a substantial nature of predjudice. Society always likes to look down on someone else reguardless of how far we would like to beleive that we have advanced on being a more inclusive society
 
I scorn morbidly obese folks as much as I scorn crackheads. Look, there are many many things that are outside of our control. And weight sometimes can be (due to genetics, etc). But, there is absolutely no reason a human being should be morbidly obese. Being morbidly obese, to me, represents a lack of self control. At a certain point this person has taken in SIGNIFICANTLY more calories than they have put out. The sad thing is that weight is one of those things that can be turned around with good old discipline. If someone does not enjoy being overweight, there are very simple ways to go about losing that weight. Weight is something that can be controlled unlike such characteristics such as race and congenative or other physical defects. I refuse to feel sorry for someone who, if they really wanted to, could make their situation better.
 
No better are people condemning people condemning fat people.
 
This might be off track, but I want people to feel good about themselves. I want to feel good about myself. I've battled my weight as long as I can remember. If I don't watch what I eat, I gain weight (I think that's pretty much physiology, but used to think of it as a personal curse or a unique problem).

I don't hate morbidly obese people. I want to encourage them to take one step on a long journey. Maybe it'll help.
 
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EMDrMoe said:
This might be off track, but I want people to feel good about themselves. I want to feel good about myself. I've battled my weight as long as I can remember. If I don't watch what I eat, I gain weight (I think that's pretty much physiology, but used to think of it as a personal curse or a unique problem).

I don't hate morbidly obese people. I want to encourage them to take one step on a long journey. Maybe it'll help.

Great post EMDrMoe, I completely agree. I find the notion of helping people to lose lots of weight very interesting and rewarding. I love shows like the Biggest Loser - its very motivating to see how these people overcome their battle with weight. I personally love working out on a regular basis, especially running, and am seriously considering becoming a personal trainer at some point (probably after med school).
 
masterMood said:
So I was flippin' through my subscription to Playboy, and I saw a fat person in it. Of course, this spoiled my fine taste in reading literature, and it had me thinking, "You know masterMood (yes i said this to myself outloud because I am the best), why are fat people considered disgusting? And then my scientific mind wanted to refine the question more, and thus I said, "Why is being morbidly obese considered obnoxiously disgusting?"

I thought this because, evolution made us love sugar and things that taste real good and helps store it as energy-rich calories. So wouldn't having a lot of this be a good thing because it would show the opposite sex (or the same sex if you're like that, but not that there's nothing wrong with that) that you're well-fed and you can obtain a lot of food?

And if one argues that eating too much is bad, thus this is the reason, then I can say that exercising too much or pleasuring yourself too much is bad as well (because too much of any one thing is bad).

Discuss.

This is quite simple. Just plot the visible advantages of being "morbidly obese" and the visible advantages of being fit or "average size". You want to plot this in a simple x / y plane. After you do that then take a few steps back and look at the graph. You WILL see that "morbid obesity" is just not a contender....sorry. It's just not. "Morbid Obesity" as you refer to it tends to degrade ones being in a totalistic fashion.
 
prana_md said:
I've increased my weight by about 30% due to medication (not steroids 😉 ) and, for the first time in my life, I understand what being uncomfortable with your body means. I am uncomfortable -- my favorite clothes relegated a "thin box" at the back of my closet, energy levels plummet, the constant worry of what I look like to other people.

I can only image what morbidly obese people go through. It must be physically, emotionally, and psychologically devastating. And not much impetus to diet or exercise when your self-worth is in the basement.

On the flip side, a lot of heavier people say they are perfectly comfortable and happy in their bodies. As long as they're healthy, I see nothing wrong with that.

A lot of it has to do with genetics ... I was genetically lucky until the meds kicked it. Some people are genetically unfortunate in the weight department

But I know there's something wrong with my body ... it fits all wrong, and it doesn't feel good.

I hear ya...loud and clear. But, the reasons don't matter when someone looks at me. All they see is more weight than I should be carrying.
 
The thing that cracks me up is when these fat slobs defend themselves by saying "It's not my fault" or "It's my metabolism" or the best "I'm comfortable with who I am"

Well, personally I don't care if you are comfortable or not. And you shouldn't worry about what I am thinking either.
Because what I'm thinking is that you are lazy and a drain on society.
 
jbing said:
actually, the financial strain these people put on the healthcare system, when you consider all related complications from obesity (metabolic disorders, heart disease, kidney disease, orthopedic issues, psychological problems like depression) are astounding. all because of an inability to control what they put in their mouth. i feel that part of living responsibly and being a good citizen is taking care of yourself, not only for yourself but for those around you.

Exactly!! When I used to smoke, I got all kinds of dirty looks from other people/pre-meds/doctors. You want to know why? Because I made a fcuking decision to do easily preventable harm to myself. This harm would then cause me to inflict myself on our healthcare system years later in the form of COPD, ephysema, cancer, etc.
 
Overweight people don't bother me. If they want to be overweight, it is their choice. If you want to smoke--smoke. At some point, I think we all do things that aren't optimal for health. Some people can't help it and others can, but I except that some people are lazy -- they have every right to be. Many people that aren't overweight like to talk about overweight people because it makes them feel better about themselves.

I believe all you can do is get the message out and let people decide what is best for their health. I'm naturally thin, so I can't really put myself in the shoes of someone that struggles with weight issues. I've read that people who are a little over weight (10lbs or so) actually live longer.
 
colt said:
Overweight people don't bother me. If they want to be overweight, it is their choice. If you want to smoke--smoke. At some point, I think we all do things that aren't optimal for health. Some people can't help it and others can, but I except that some people are lazy -- they have every right to be. Many people that aren't overweight like to talk about overweight people because it makes them feel better about themselves.

I believe all you can do is get the message out and let people decide what is best for their health. I'm naturally thin, so I can't really put myself in the shoes of someone that struggles with weight issues. I've read that people who are a little over weight (10lbs or so) actually live longer.

Well, yes. But 10lbs overweight DOES NOT EQUAL 500lbs overweight.
 
colt said:
Overweight people don't bother me. If they want to be overweight, it is their choice. If you want to smoke--smoke. At some point, I think we all do things that aren't optimal for health. Some people can't help it and others can, but I except that some people are lazy -- they have every right to be. Many people that aren't overweight like to talk about overweight people because it makes them feel better about themselves.

I believe all you can do is get the message out and let people decide what is best for their health. I'm naturally thin, so I can't really put myself in the shoes of someone that struggles with weight issues. I've read that people who are a little over weight (10lbs or so) actually live longer.
This view works... if you aren't paying taxes for Medicare and Medicaid.
 
chef_NU said:
This view works... if you aren't paying taxes for Medicare and Medicaid.
Not to mention your bloated insurance premiums who treat you the same as the 5'2" 275 pounder.
 
This thread is a direct TOS violation. It insults all red states.
 
For the record, not everyone considers morbidly obese people to be "obnoxiously disgusting". The more accurate question might be why the person who asked the question on this forum feels that way.

It may have been a joke to suggest evolution had any part in America's addictive taste for sugar, junk foods and the like. That's pure conditioning and a McD on every corner.

If a person's weight is affecting their health, there is a medical concern that should be addressed but there is no judgement the doctor can make that is fair or just. There's no room for that sort of judgement if the doctor is to help.

There's an old saying about never judging a man til you've walked a mile in his shoes.
 
Kimka83 said:
Well, yes. But 10lbs overweight DOES NOT EQUAL 500lbs overweight.
That is a given, but who are we to say that someone cannot eat what they want? Do we at some point deny these people health care? Maybe we should imprison them....
 
I did a fat girl once...well, actually twice...but now I have standards.
 
Please Doctor said:
For the record, not everyone considers morbidly obese people to be "obnoxiously disgusting". The more accurate question might be why the person who asked the question on this forum feels that way.

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I don't know. I find putting foleys in female 375 pounders obnoxiously disgusting. When you can't hold back a woman's labial folds because they are too heavy, something is very wrong.
 
I actually had a very interesting conversation with a coworker last night about obesity and cultural acceptance. In ‘Eastern’ cultures extra weight is seen as beautiful. Why? Because it implies wealth. If you can eat more than enough you obviously have the money to pay for it. In ‘Western’ societies extra weight is seen as a sign of poverty. How many welfare women do you see toting around an extra 50-100+lbs? We use food as comfort to stress and as a coping mechanism. It’s also cost effective to feed your kid a carb and calorie packed meal of spaghettios and other processed foods than it is to buy lean meats and fresh vegetables. Compare prices in the grocery store and you’ll see that this is true.

I myself am morbidly obese. Currently, I am not draining the health care field of money and resources. I’m actually rather healthy. I do tend to have an elevated BP and have begun to notice knee pain. I know that these things are caused by my weight and I know that in the future if I maintain my weight these problems will continue and worsen. I also know that I need to make some life changes and I have been making some of these changes. Unfortunately changes don’t seem to do much.

I find the misconception that I’m fat because I’m lazy hilarious. On this site I’ve seen a lot of Doctors versus THEM posts. The reoccurring theme in replies of “You don’t know _____ because you’re not a doctor! Walk a mile in my shoes and then tell me what you think!” in the defense of your profession. I’ll say the same thing to you. Walk in the foot steps of someone who has been obese since they were in elementary school. It’s not an easy path, and it’s defiantly not an easy path to deviate from. Currently I can try to reduce the binge eating that I experience, but it’s not pleasant. You go through the days constantly feeling hungry and craving certain foods. I’ve been able to cut our bad foods from my diet and keep it up for several months at a time. Then I slip back when I see I’ve only lost a couple of pounds or my weight maintained while I’m eating healthy. I can’t help but think, ‘what’s the point?’ I consider myself a fairly active person. I’m a Nursing Assistant, and I’m sure most of you guys know that CNAs are at the spot on the bottom of the health care hierarchy that does the heavy lifting and body fluid cleaning up. It’s not easy work and is very physically demanding, yet I keep up with the skinny kids. I take the stairs at work, I always walk a bit too fast, and yet my weight remains the same. I do however hate to admit that there are a lot of things I can’t physically do that I would like to do because of my weight. I would love to be the person who goes out jogging every morning or I’d absolutely going out to play tennis on nice days, but I can’t. Jogging in short sprints makes my back hurt because the fat wiggles. Tennis, I can do about ten minutes of before I get too tired. It’s unfortunate and it’s discouraging.

To those who claim that obese people are disgusting, lazy, drains on society, smell bad, and whatever derogatory comments posters can think of (I know you guys could come up with a rather fantastic list) need to step back and reevaluate why you’re entering or have entered the field of medicine. This is a time where our society is fatter than ever. Fifteen years ago I was the only fat kid in my grade, now I see a group of eleven year olds walking down the street and at least one third of them are overweight. This is a time where we need the health care field to step up and EDUCATE. Teach proper nutrition and exercise within the school, in community programs, and even in parenting classes. It seems that there is to much of a focus in health care on healing, but what should be focused on more heavily is educating patients and their families and prevention.
 
casi said:
I actually had a very interesting conversation with a coworker last night about obesity and cultural acceptance. In ‘Eastern’ cultures extra weight is seen as beautiful. Why? Because it implies wealth.
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Maybe that was true 10-20 years ago. Now, if you're fat you're fat. You will never see someone eat an obscene amount of food just to be fat so he can look down on all the skinny folks.
 
mintendo said:
Maybe that was true 10-20 years ago. Now, if you're fat you're fat. You will never see someone eat an obscene amount of food just to be fat so he can look down on all the skinny folks.



EASTERN cultures, this is still prevalent in many African cultures and other EASTERN cultures. And YES this still does take place today. If you know anyone from Africa ask them about the beauty standards regarding weight.

The United States is of a Western culture that puts emphasis on the thin.
 
casi said:
EASTERN cultures, this is still prevalent in many African cultures and other EASTERN cultures. And YES this still does take place today. If you know anyone from Africa ask them about the beauty standards regarding weight.

The United States is of a Western culture that puts emphasis on the thin.

Its not an eastern/western/northern/southern/ anyother which way-ern thing. Its a wealth and prosperity thing. If food is scarce, big is beautiful. If food is abundant, thin is in.
 
velo said:
Its not an eastern/western/northern/southern/ anyother which way-ern thing. Its a wealth and prosperity thing. If food is scarce, big is beautiful. If food is abundant, thin is in.

It's definately not about where you are anymore. I'm just using the eastern/western cultural definitions. Many countries that are considered eastern are westernized and have the same culture and ideas of fat as we do.
 
casi said:
It's definately not about where you are anymore. I'm just using the eastern/western cultural definitions. Many countries that are considered eastern are westernized and have the same culture and ideas of fat as we do.

Yeah, I just don't think its western culture that makes them value thinness so much as it is western prosperity. If there's a McDonalds on every corner no one's going to be impressed that you managed to get fat. Just as no one will look at you twice if you're a stick in the middle of a famine.
 
masterMood said:
So I was flippin' through my subscription to Playboy, and I saw a fat person in it. Of course, this spoiled my fine taste in reading literature, and it had me thinking, "You know masterMood (yes i said this to myself outloud because I am the best), why are fat people considered disgusting? And then my scientific mind wanted to refine the question more, and thus I said, "Why is being morbidly obese considered obnoxiously disgusting?"

I thought this because, evolution made us love sugar and things that taste real good and helps store it as energy-rich calories. So wouldn't having a lot of this be a good thing because it would show the opposite sex (or the same sex if you're like that, but not that there's nothing wrong with that) that you're well-fed and you can obtain a lot of food?

And if one argues that eating too much is bad, thus this is the reason, then I can say that exercising too much or pleasuring yourself too much is bad as well (because too much of any one thing is bad).

Discuss.

See now, you gotta love a mind like that! MasterMood, you have a wonderful mind.
 
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