Why is the MCAT so important?

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Why is the MCAT so important? Plain and simple, I get the logic that it "levels the playing field" to test people from a crazy hard college to the premeds at clown college, but I do find it ridiculous that a 5 hour exam determines about 80% of someone's acceptance. Does a 4 year GPA really amount to 10% of someone's acceptance decision, as well as all their ECs? Granted I'm extremely biased considering I didn't get my ideal MCAT score. ALSO: How do GPA, MCAT, ECs, and Personal Statement/LoRs/AMCAS stuff amount to percentages that impact a students admission?
 
The MCAT accounts for a significant percentage of what determines whether you get accepted (as it should), but it's not anywhere near 80%. GPA and MCAT are pretty much equal in terms of how much they impact the decision.
 
It's a standardized test which is designed to be an equitable indicator of skills and knowledge across all applicants, but you get that already. Read up on MCAT grading on the AAMC website.

the test is almost 8 hrs now, btw.
 
Even if GPA represented 16 years of your overall performance (for example, if it combined ES + MS + HS + College), it still would not be a much better metric than it is now.
The simple fact is that GPAs are hard to compare. People come from different schools and have different majors. Even within a major at a school, there are different tracks (of varying difficulty). And even if you take the exact same classes in the same major in the same school, you might take them with different professors/TAs/grading-schemes for that semester.

Also, like it or not, the MCAT does give a fairly good measure of one's preparedness for medical school. You might think it's just one test but it's basically impossible to fluke your way to a good score. If you took the MCAT 10 times in a row*, you would find that your scores remain with a fairly close range each time.

*Barring extraordinary circumstances like having a heart attack while taking the exam
 
It's a standardized test which is designed to be an equitable indicator of skills and knowledge across all applicants, but you get that already. Read up on MCAT grading on the AAMC website.

the test is almost 8 hrs now, btw.
I'm aware the new exam is 8 hours, I'm referring to the old exam. I did read up on the AAMC site, but was hoping for a more detailed/honest response from adcom who lurk on SDN.
 
...because GPAs aren't well standardized.

...and because taking tests are all you're going to be doing for the next two years assuming you get in.
Yes, but isn't a high GPA something worth considering too...? I just think its unfair that one exam is more important in terms of someone's admission decision than a culmination of 4 years of their work.
 
Yes, but isn't a high GPA something worth considering too...? I just think its unfair that one exam is more important in terms of someone's admission decision than a culmination of 4 years of their work.

High GPAs are a dime a dozen. Gotta back it up with something.
 
The test puts everyone on an equal playing field.

If you have a high GPA and scored not-so-well on the MCAT, it's likely due to one or two things: 1) You're not a good test taker or 2) Your college grade inflates.

If 1) is true, then passing the tests in medical school to become a doctor (aka Step 1 and so on) will be difficult. Medical schools don't want students who can't pass Steps.

2) is likely the reason most people deny. "My GPA is higher than others so I'm smarter even if my MCAT was vastly lower." No. Chances are that your school is much easier on GPA than the other student's university.

If you're mad that you got a low MCAT score, work on it and improve. That's what I did. There is no reason to come in and ask why this test has such an importance. It does because it is a good indicator of success in the first two years of medical school. If you scored poorly, maybe you should reevaluate how you would actually fare in medical school.

I didn't even score that highly on my MCAT (31) and I have a 3.91 GPA. I truly believe the MCAT is more important than GPA and thus more weight should be placed upon it.

P.S. This thread would have more of a chance if it didn't come across as you whining about it being unfair because you scored lowly. If someone who had scored a 43 had posted this, it might hold some water. All I'm getting, though, is that you're aggravated that you could not get a good score.
 
The test puts everyone on an equal playing field.

If you have a high GPA and scored not-so-well on the MCAT, it's likely due to one or two things: 1) You're not a good test taker or 2) Your college grade inflates.

If 1) is true, then passing the tests in medical school to become a doctor (aka Step 1 and so on) will be difficult. Medical schools don't want students who can't pass Steps.

2) is likely the reason most people deny. "My GPA is higher than others so I'm smarter even if my MCAT was vastly lower." No. Chances are that your school is much easier on GPA than the other student's university.

If you're mad that you got a low MCAT score, work on it and improve. That's what I did. There is no reason to come in and ask why this test has such an importance. It does because it is a good indicator of success in the first two years of medical school. If you scored poorly, maybe you should reevaluate how you would actually fare in medical school.

I didn't even score that highly on my MCAT (31) and I have a 3.91 GPA. I truly believe the MCAT is more important than GPA and thus more weight should be placed upon it.

P.S. This thread would have more of a chance if it didn't come across as you whining about it being unfair because you scored lowly. If someone who had scored a 43 had posted this, it might hold some water. All I'm getting, though, is that you're aggravated that you could not get a good score.
I'm aware of the bias, thats why I was trying to put up a little disclaimer with in my original post. I get what you're saying, it does make sense, however its just the time and ipmact that really made me start thinking about this question, cause a GPA is a from your college and measures several years of work. I get what you're saying and they are all valid points.

The other point I was trying to figure out was how much each factor contributes to someone's application. I appreciate your long and thorough post though 🙂!
 
I'm aware of the bias, thats why I was trying to put up a little disclaimer with in my original post. I get what you're saying, it does make sense, however its just the time and ipmact that really made me start thinking about this question, cause a GPA is a from your college and measures several years of work. I get what you're saying and they are all valid points.

The other point I was trying to figure out was how much each factor contributes to someone's application. I appreciate your long and thorough post though 🙂!

Fair enough. That's why GPA is looked at with as much emphasis (if not more) than the MCAT is. Your high GPA will get you so far, but if your MCAT is severely below the average, then it's really not worth much. That's just the blunt truth. Hope it works out for ya, OP!
 
ALSO: How do GPA, MCAT, ECs, and Personal Statement/LoRs/AMCAS stuff amount to percentages that impact a students admission?
Yes, but isn't a high GPA something worth considering too...? I just think its unfair that one exam is more important in terms of someone's admission decision than a culmination of 4 years of their work.
The other point I was trying to figure out was how much each factor contributes to someone's application.
Admissions isn't a scorecard system with everything weighted and tallied up. Sure, some things count more than others, but everything shifts in relative importance as you move through process. Do a search for LizzyM's staircase analogy which sums it up pretty well.
Metrics are going to matter more in the initial stages, ECs, LORs, etc matter more later on, but they all come into play.

Re the personal statement, a relative who's an adcom told me once "A good PS never got anyone accepted, but a bad PS can definitely get you rejected."
 
I recall reading somewhere on this thread also that MCAT correlates with your ability to pass Step 1. Not a great correlation but one nonetheless. I think the study or whatever showed concluded that those with a sub 26-27 MCAT have a substantially higher risk of failing Step 1 than those above those scores. Past that though, I think the correlation falls off.
 
First, the MCAT is the only standardized measure which med schools can use to compare applicants from different backgrounds and/or regions of the country.

Second, the ability to do well on a standardized test in undergrad is correlated to an ability to do well on the USMLE exams which will account for ~73.14159% of your residency applications.
 
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Look, they aren't going to let a hobo into medical school. They want to see that you actually learned something at "clown college."

SAT, ACT, MCAT, LSAT...they all have a 'T' at the end for a reason. They test what you know. They wouldn't waste their time on the process of the MCAT if it were actually useless. They want to admit people who actually care enough to study for the material that you have to know to succeed in medical school, as well as people who have patience. Trust me, they're doing you a favor.

If you can't sit through a test that only requires you holding a pencil for 8 hours, how are you going to do 48 hour shifts in your residency, wherein you will be standing for hours on end and will be asked questions left and right by the attending? You see, there is a reason for all the things medical schools require. They are looking ahead and weeding out the...well, the weeds.

The reason they take it so seriously, I think, is simply because of the potential of the student to succeed. They are using their resources to train each and every student attending medical school, so they want to choose the right people. They're less likely to accept someone who has extremely amazing EC's, GPA, and Personal statement, and then their MCAT is like an 18 lol. It just shows that the person was too lazy to study. How will that person do on Step 1, for example?

Just trust that there's a reason for everything. These people are smart. Smarter than you. They know what they're looking for.
 
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A series of less indepth surveys done from about 2002-2008 consistently showed that about 75% of adcoms consider GPA as the first or second factor in admissions and that 75% consider MCAT as the first or second factor in admissions.


What's the other 25%? The ability to play the viola?
 
Nope. more like ~50%. But some schools prefer higher MCAT scores, and others prefer higher GPAs.

How else would you have us differentiate among tens of thousands of nearly clone-like applicants?

Stats get you to the door, while ECs get you through. You can't quantify them either. Screw up any one of them and your app is flushed down the toilet.


Does a 4 year GPA really amount to 10% of someone's acceptance decision, as well as all their ECs? Granted I'm extremely biased considering I didn't get my ideal MCAT score. ALSO: How do GPA, MCAT, ECs, and Personal Statement/LoRs/AMCAS stuff amount to percentages that impact a students admission?


100% correct
I recall reading somewhere on this thread also that MCAT correlates with your ability to pass Step 1. Not a great correlation but one nonetheless. I think the study or whatever showed concluded that those with a sub 26-27 MCAT have a substantially higher risk of failing Step 1 than those above those scores. Past that though, I think the correlation falls off.
 
If you read my statement carefully and understood the statistical implication, they in fact represent two separate stats without examination of the interaction and overlap. I would certainly assume that state schools with either direct law/regulation or specific mission/mandate residency is the first factor considered.

By the way I find interestingly that you specifically mentioned viola and not the violin. Despite the common misperception, did you know that violas and violins are dimensionally almost identical in size? Its just violinists have very swelled heads.


I understand statistics. I was being a little bit facetious. 😛

And:

The viola (/viˈoʊlə/)[1] is a bowed string instrument. It is slightly larger than a violin in size and has a lower and deeper sound than a violin. Since the 18th century it has been the middle voice of the violin family, between the violin (which is tuned a perfect fifth above it) and the cello (which is tuned an octave below it).
 
If you read my statement carefully and understood the statistical implication, they in fact represent two separate stats without examination of the interaction and overlap. I would certainly assume that state schools with either direct law/regulation or specific mission/mandate residency is the first factor considered.

By the way I find interestingly that you specifically mentioned viola and not the violin. Despite the common misperception, did you know that violas and violins are dimensionally almost identical in size? Its just violinists have very swelled heads.

As a violinist, I take offense to that 😛..although arguably my family (including me) do seem to have big heads in proportion to our bodies..
 
I think it is important because it is a standardized comparison for the applicants. The test itself doesn't mean much...it could be anything as far as content. It seemed like it is something that the schools say "do well on this one thing." ...and if you just show you can do that; it is a reasonably good predictor of being able to do well enough on courses etc..
 
By the way I find interestingly that you specifically mentioned viola and not the violin. Despite the common misperception, did you know that violas and violins are dimensionally almost identical in size? Its just violinists have very swelled heads.
As a cellist, this is my new favorite thing ever.
 
I hope i don't sound childish, but how is the MCAT standardized between all applicants if the test I took could have been filled with electricity/magnetism stuff and another's was full of harmonics? I clearly remember my latest test being filled with all the physics/chem topics I was weakest at. I'm not complaining, just saying the test is always different.

Also, how do you factor in the people who have to travel or have a situation on the day of the test. I personally had to drive 2 hours away to take mine, leaving early in the morning when I couldn't get much sleep the night before. Not to mention someone very very close to me died two days before my test date. I know people who had to go to different states and stay in a hotel. I really don't think a 5 hour test is representative of my abilities or application. Did I need to study more? Probably, but I only had enough money to take it once and apply broadly. They say it's the great equalizer, but I beg to differ, there's just too many variables. Thank God for DO schools looking past that 5 hour assessment of knowledge I'll likely never need to use again (sans bio). That being said, I'll never forget V = IR.
 
I recall reading somewhere on this thread also that MCAT correlates with your ability to pass Step 1. Not a great correlation but one nonetheless. I think the study or whatever showed concluded that those with a sub 26-27 MCAT have a substantially higher risk of failing Step 1 than those above those scores. Past that though, I think the correlation falls off.
MCAT and USMLE Step 1 have a high correlation. R=0.6.
But I guess if you were just looking at correlation between MCAT as a continuous variable vs. fail/pass USMLE as a binary- then the association would be less. Since outright f-ing up the USMLE is probably better related to other factors/reasons.
 
I hope i don't sound childish, but how is the MCAT standardized between all applicants if the test I took could have been filled with electricity/magnetism stuff and another's was full of harmonics? I clearly remember my latest test being filled with all the physics/chem topics I was weakest at. I'm not complaining, just saying the test is always different.

Also, how do you factor in the people who have to travel or have a situation on the day of the test. I personally had to drive 2 hours away to take mine, leaving early in the morning when I couldn't get much sleep the night before. Not to mention someone very very close to me died two days before my test date. I know people who had to go to different states and stay in a hotel. I really don't think a 5 hour test is representative of my abilities or application. Did I need to study more? Probably, but I only had enough money to take it once and apply broadly. They say it's the great equalizer, but I beg to differ, there's just too many variables. Thank God for DO schools looking past that 5 hour assessment of knowledge I'll likely never need to use again (sans bio). That being said, I'll never forget V = IR.

Well the MCAT (any any other standardized test) is designed with that in mind. This is a hand-wavy explanation (those who know more, feel free to correct me) but essentially, my understanding is that the questions are all tested beforehand as "experimental questions." From here, we can learn roughly how difficult each question is. This "difficulty weight" of each question is then used (in some complicated statistical process) to produce the raw score conversion scale for each section (PS/BS/VR). For example, if harmonics are really that hard of a topic and the PS was 100% harmonics questions, then it's likely that the conversion scale will be more "generous".

Now, you might argue that some people know some topics better than others. This is true but the MCAT tests a variety of topics on any given section. There is inherently some luck involved in this respect but if you only know topics X, Y, and Z, it's extremely unlikely that you will find yourself taking a MCAT that tests only X, Y, and Z.

tl;dr: It is very unlikely for you to fluke your way to a high score just because the content varies from test to test.

As for your second argument about there being "too many variables":

1) Yes, things like travel and sickness matter. But let's just be realistic here. If you have the capability of scoring 40, you are most likely going to score mid-30s at worse barring some extraordinary circumstances (e.g., you have a heart attack or stroke). Conversely, if you can only score 25 on the AAMC practice tests, you are almost certainly not going to score a 40 because you had a good night's sleep.

2) Travel and sickness are variables that adversely affect the utility of the MCAT. However, I would argue that the variables that adversely affect comparisons for something like GPA are maybe worse. The difference in course rigor between majors (or between schools) can be extremely significant but it hard to compensate for in a statistically meaningful way (e.g., should a 3.3 MIT Math/EE major be viewed to be equal to a 3.6 Penn State English major? I really don't really know...) The difference in MCAT rigor between tests is relatively insignificant (and is compensated for by statistically meaningful scaling).

3) MCAT might only be a few hours but that's not the right way to look at it. Like the GPA, the MCAT is the culmination of years worth of classes/knowledge. In fact, you could argue with the VR that the MCAT is the culmination of DECADES of your life (after all, many of the critical reading skills are acquired in MS/HS or earlier - this is why improving VR scores are so hard).
 
Well the MCAT (any any other standardized test) is designed with that in mind. This is a hand-wavy explanation (those who know more, feel free to correct me) but essentially, my understanding is that the questions are all tested beforehand as "experimental questions." From here, we can learn roughly how difficult each question is. This "difficulty weight" of each question is then used (in some complicated statistical process) to produce the raw score conversion scale for each section (PS/BS/VR). For example, if harmonics are really that hard of a topic and the PS was 100% harmonics questions, then it's likely that the conversion scale will be more "generous".

Now, you might argue that some people know some topics better than others. This is true but the MCAT tests a variety of topics on any given section. There is inherently some luck involved in this respect but if you only know topics X, Y, and Z, it's extremely unlikely that you will find yourself taking a MCAT that tests only X, Y, and Z.

tl;dr: It is very unlikely for you to fluke your way to a high score just because the content varies from test to test.

As for your second argument about there being "too many variables":

1) Yes, things like travel and sickness matter. But let's just be realistic here. If you have the capability of scoring 40, you are most likely going to score mid-30s at worse barring some extraordinary circumstances (e.g., you have a heart attack or stroke). Conversely, if you can only score 25 on the AAMC practice tests, you are almost certainly not going to score a 40 because you had a good night's sleep.

2) Travel and sickness are variables that adversely affect the utility of the MCAT. However, I would argue that the variables that adversely affect comparisons for something like GPA are maybe worse. The difference in course rigor between majors (or between schools) can be extremely significant but it hard to compensate for in a statistically meaningful way (e.g., should a 3.3 MIT Math/EE major be viewed to be equal to a 3.6 Penn State English major? I really don't really know...) The difference in MCAT rigor between tests is relatively insignificant (and is compensated for by statistically meaningful scaling).

3) MCAT might only be a few hours but that's not the right way to look at it. Like the GPA, the MCAT is the culmination of years worth of classes/knowledge. In fact, you could argue with the VR that the MCAT is the culmination of DECADES of your life (after all, many of the critical reading skills are acquired in MS/HS or earlier - this is why improving VR scores are so hard).


Agree with practically everything here. Very well written. 👍

I will add that the MCAT gives you the option to void your scores if you go to take the test and feel sick/got no sleep/didn't finish a section/etc.

And despite the few weaknesses of the test (subjects may vary, some people have to travel farther than others...) it is still by far the most standardized measure that med schools have at their disposal.
 
I hope i don't sound childish, but how is the MCAT standardized between all applicants if the test I took could have been filled with electricity/magnetism stuff and another's was full of harmonics? I clearly remember my latest test being filled with all the physics/chem topics I was weakest at. I'm not complaining, just saying the test is always different.
I don't see how you having areas of content weakness is a problem inherent with the exam. You know what is testable ahead of time, if you walk in thinking "If I get questions on EM I'm gonna bomb," that's on you, not the MCAT.
 
I hope i don't sound childish, but how is the MCAT standardized between all applicants if the test I took could have been filled with electricity/magnetism stuff and another's was full of harmonics? I clearly remember my latest test being filled with all the physics/chem topics I was weakest at. I'm not complaining, just saying the test is always different.

Also, how do you factor in the people who have to travel or have a situation on the day of the test. I personally had to drive 2 hours away to take mine, leaving early in the morning when I couldn't get much sleep the night before. Not to mention someone very very close to me died two days before my test date. I know people who had to go to different states and stay in a hotel. I really don't think a 5 hour test is representative of my abilities or application. Did I need to study more? Probably, but I only had enough money to take it once and apply broadly. They say it's the great equalizer, but I beg to differ, there's just too many variables. Thank God for DO schools looking past that 5 hour assessment of knowledge I'll likely never need to use again (sans bio). That being said, I'll never forget V = IR.

Don't worry. You'll see it again in cardio.

You do realize you're entering a field where your competence will be defined by primarily x hour assessments of knowledge? If you think the MCAT matters, step matters even more.
 
MCAT and USMLE Step 1 have a high correlation. R=0.6.
But I guess if you were just looking at correlation between MCAT as a continuous variable vs. fail/pass USMLE as a binary- then the association would be less. Since outright f-ing up the USMLE is probably better related to other factors/reasons.
This is the exact reason why, besides just for comparing applicants from different schools.

If you have trouble with the MCAT you'll LIKELY (not for sure) have trouble with the STEP exams. If you have trouble with those then you wasted thousands and thousands of dollars and a minimum of two years. You need to pass those to advance and do somewhat well to secure a residency spot. Wait until you get to medical school, You'll see the number you get on Step 1 can be the difference from matching into Hopkins or a rural, country bumpkin U. One 9 hour long test could erase all the hardwork you do in the first two years of medical school. And unlike the MCAT, if you do poorly but still pass there is NO RETAKES! You're screwed and take what you got.
 
One 9 hour long test could erase all the hardwork you do in the first two years of medical school. And unlike the MCAT, if you do poorly but still pass there is NO RETAKES! You're screwed and take what you got.

This is another reason that applicants should show us their best performance on a single MCAT.
 
You raise an interesting point here. Yes, these things do affect performance, but Adcoms expect applicants to display good judgement. if you're sick, you should have the wisdom to realize that it's not a good idea to take a high stakes, career defining exam.


Travel and sickness are variables that adversely affect the utility of the MCAT.
 
You'll see the number you get on Step 1 can be the difference from matching into Hopkins or a rural, country bumpkin U. One 9 hour long test could erase all the hardwork you do in the first two years of medical school. And unlike the MCAT, if you do poorly but still pass there is NO RETAKES! You're screwed and take what you got.
You're really making me regret dropping by here on my breaks during Step 1 prep...
 
I hope i don't sound childish, but how is the MCAT standardized between all applicants if the test I took could have been filled with electricity/magnetism stuff and another's was full of harmonics? I clearly remember my latest test being filled with all the physics/chem topics I was weakest at. I'm not complaining, just saying the test is always different.

Also, how do you factor in the people who have to travel or have a situation on the day of the test. I personally had to drive 2 hours away to take mine, leaving early in the morning when I couldn't get much sleep the night before. Not to mention someone very very close to me died two days before my test date. I know people who had to go to different states and stay in a hotel. I really don't think a 5 hour test is representative of my abilities or application. Did I need to study more? Probably, but I only had enough money to take it once and apply broadly. They say it's the great equalizer, but I beg to differ, there's just too many variables. Thank God for DO schools looking past that 5 hour assessment of knowledge I'll likely never need to use again (sans bio). That being said, I'll never forget V = IR.

Read my previous post. A 5-8 hour test certainly is representative of your abilities or application. Laziness is a great indicator of future failure. If you want to be a a doctor - truly want to be a doctor - you would do what it takes and won't ask questions or criticize those above you. There is always a reason for the tests you are given. My brother had to take a FOUR day exam to become an accountant. I didn't hear him complaining. Your situation is unique because you lost someone close to you, and I extend my condolences; however, I completely disagree with everything you said. Things like V = IR and electromagnetism require the ability to deductively reason, which is an obvious necessity to being a doctor. You need to be able to solve problems and think on your feet.

Not only is it a standardized test, but it is also a preparatory test, and pretty much all of us on here have been saying that.
 
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