Why not much interest in FM?

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I'm a soon to be MD student. I grew up in a rural area my entire life and there are soo many FM jobs. I just read one listing in my area that advertised an outpatient only/no call/no weekends/100,000 sign on or loan repayment....this sounds great compared to the relatively overworked specialties that have to train forever and have to network more to find a job afterward. However, at most MD schools, not many people go to FM. Why is that?
 
I'm a soon to be MD student. I grew up in a rural area my entire life and there are soo many FM jobs. I just read one listing in my area that advertised an outpatient only/no call/no weekends/100,000 sign on or loan repayment....this sounds great compared to the relatively overworked specialties that have to train forever and have to network more to find a job afterward. However, at most MD schools, not many people go to FM. Why is that?

1) If you grow up in a rural area, you get paid better than you do in urban or suburban areas. Not everyone wants to live in a rural area, though.

2) The "overworked specialties" may be making 2-5 times as much as you do in family medicine.

3) It's not as glamorous to an MS3 to see patients in an office as opposed to being in the ER, the operating room, or the delivery room. Of course the glamour wears off after a few years, but no one tells you that..... :-/
 
1) If you grow up in a rural area, you get paid better than you do in urban or suburban areas. Not everyone wants to live in a rural area, though.

2) The "overworked specialties" may be making 2-5 times as much as you do in family medicine.

3) It's not as glamorous to an MS3 to see patients in an office as opposed to being in the ER, the operating room, or the delivery room. Of course the glamour wears off after a few years, but no one tells you that..... :-/

This makes sense, I mean when I said rural, we had a Wal-Mart, mall, etc. I like it actually, but I guess others do want more excitement...

When you say 2-5 times, how did you come to that approximation? Because when looking at Medscape, (<-- article linked here, slide #2, and I know this isn't fully accurate, but it's an avg), family med docs avg at 175k. So to make twice that would be 350k, which only the first six highest paid specialties even came close to that, definitely didn't see any specialties pulling in 3x or 4x or 5x (!) more. And I would imagine taxes eat up more of it in addition to the lost years of income to specialize (for example, family medicine is 3 yrs vs gastro is 6 yrs)...

so it seems like you'd come out even anyway? which is why I don't understand the disinterest, since family med seems more enjoyable with the additional time to enjoy life/less stress.
 
This makes sense, I mean when I said rural, we had a Wal-Mart, mall, etc. I like it actually, but I guess others do want more excitement...

When you say 2-5 times, how did you come to that approximation? Because when looking at Medscape, (<-- article linked here, slide #2, and I know this isn't fully accurate, but it's an avg), family med docs avg at 175k. So to make twice that would be 350k, which only the first six highest paid specialties even came close to that, definitely didn't see any specialties pulling in 3x or 4x or 5x (!) more. And I would imagine taxes eat up more of it in addition to the lost years of income to specialize (for example, family medicine is 3 yrs vs gastro is 6 yrs)...

so it seems like you'd come out even anyway? which is why I don't understand the disinterest, since family med seems more enjoyable with the additional time to enjoy life/less stress.
Medscape tends to low-ball the numbers. Where I did residency, most of the cardiologists and ortho guys cleared 500k/year. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that radiology and neurosurgery did as well, but I'm not sure.

If you dislike outpatient clinic work, no amount of more free time and less stress will make up for it. You need to pick a field that you can enjoy doing for 30+ years not just a field that maximizes your free time. Otherwise, you'll end up hating being at work which is no way to live.
 
1. Difference in pay
2. Perceived lack of prestige of family medicine
3. Not enjoying the type of work family physicians typically do.

Although I will say that my tertiary care research based med school in an urban city does a terrible job exposing students to all the opportunities a family doctor has. Many of my classmates are genuinely surprised to hear that fam docs can deliver babies, perform c sections or even other simple surgeries, colonoscopies, see inpatients in the hospital, work in ER's, etc
 
This makes sense, I mean when I said rural, we had a Wal-Mart, mall, etc. I like it actually, but I guess others do want more excitement...

When you say 2-5 times, how did you come to that approximation? Because when looking at Medscape, (<-- article linked here, slide #2, and I know this isn't fully accurate, but it's an avg), family med docs avg at 175k. So to make twice that would be 350k, which only the first six highest paid specialties even came close to that, definitely didn't see any specialties pulling in 3x or 4x or 5x (!) more. And I would imagine taxes eat up more of it in addition to the lost years of income to specialize (for example, family medicine is 3 yrs vs gastro is 6 yrs)...

so it seems like you'd come out even anyway? which is why I don't understand the disinterest, since family med seems more enjoyable with the additional time to enjoy life/less stress.

3 years of losing 100-150k is nothing compared to a 30 year career, although I do agree that getting that attending salary sooner is very enticing...
 
I'm a soon to be MD student. I grew up in a rural area my entire life and there are soo many FM jobs. I just read one listing in my area that advertised an outpatient only/no call/no weekends/100,000 sign on or loan repayment....this sounds great compared to the relatively overworked specialties that have to train forever and have to network more to find a job afterward. However, at most MD schools, not many people go to FM. Why is that?
Personal preference, I suppose. FM isn't as sexy in most people's minds. I like the versatility of it in the end. You can mold your practice how you like it. I'm more of a fast and furious, surgery minded type. So I do locums - mostly walk-in's. I'm the relief help in rural places I do small ER, hosptialist, and urgent care because I like the unknown walking in the door, fix the problem now, get the person where they need to be without all the crash and burn trauma, people dying in front of you cases. That's too much adrenaline and responsibilty - that's why I didn't do ER. Or if you like the idea of seeing whole families forever, chronic medical management you can do that. Or if you want to deliver babies, do prenatal care, little kids then do that too. If you want to do scopes so you don't have to refer everyone for their screening colonoscopy then learn that. There are lots of minor procedures you can learn to do as well - I have FP friends who do minor liposuction, laser hair removal, dermabrasion, scopes, botox, vasectomies, etc.

FM is great for rural places because of the uniqueness of the skill set. You are the GI, the IM, the ORTHO, the OB/GYN, the PEDS, the DERM, the ER, etc all rolled in one. And with me I can adjust your back/neck too. If you learn it well you won't need to refer unless someone needs a major surgery. You can do fellowships if you like.
 
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Great insights, thanks everyone. I haven't done rotations or anything but I think I would like the versatility as well, but I guess some do not like the "unknown". Or they may not be aware of all the cool things FM can do.

If an FM does a colonoscopy, for instance, do they get the same reimbursement (for the procedure) as a GI doc? It seems that most GIs perform these a lot for the $$. So if you can do a bit of everything, theoretically couldn't you increase the salary of an FM doc quite significantly?
 
Great insights, thanks everyone. I haven't done rotations or anything but I think I would like the versatility as well, but I guess some do not like the "unknown". Or they may not be aware of all the cool things FM can do.

If an FM does a colonoscopy, for instance, do they get the same reimbursement (for the procedure) as a GI doc? It seems that most GIs perform these a lot for the $$. So if you can do a bit of everything, theoretically couldn't you increase the salary of an FM doc quite significantly?
Yes, but you have to have a certain volume to make getting the equipment/staff worth it. Doing 1 scope per week isn't going to really help out all that much.
 
Great insights, thanks everyone. I haven't done rotations or anything but I think I would like the versatility as well, but I guess some do not like the "unknown". Or they may not be aware of all the cool things FM can do.

If an FM does a colonoscopy, for instance, do they get the same reimbursement (for the procedure) as a GI doc? It seems that most GIs perform these a lot for the $$. So if you can do a bit of everything, theoretically couldn't you increase the salary of an FM doc quite significantly?
Perhaps but it comes down to volume and equipment as VAdoc said. I learned to do scopes in residency but never did them in practice due to lack of time and no one to proctor. I didn't have a way to have a scheduled scope day. An FM friend of mine does scopes every Tuesday for 1/2 day 5-6 cases. Enough to keep up skills. Takes time to be proficient. It may not be practical. Of course you have to have staff that knows conscious sedations and IV's, etc too. Don't always have the right staffing in rural areas.
 
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