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Okay, this is a bit of a rant. I know that some people in my school (LIU) got scores like 3% on the PCAT, but have 3.5 PharmCAS GPAs, and no work experience and they are being called for interviews.

I have a 2.74 PharmCAS GPA and a 74%, and 18 months of experience and I have not been called yet. What the hell is going on?
 
Okay, this is a bit of a rant. I know that some people in my school (LIU) got scores like 3% on the PCAT, but have 3.5 PharmCAS GPAs, and no work experience and they are being called for interviews.

I have a 2.74 PharmCAS GPA and a 74%, and 18 months of experience and I have not been called yet. What the hell is going on?

If you are posting this to find sympathy, chances are you won't. That being said, heaven only knows how adcoms make their decisions. Here's hoping you get accepted somewhere.
 
Okay, this is a bit of a rant. I know that some people in my school (LIU) got scores like 3% on the PCAT, but have 3.5 PharmCAS GPAs, and no work experience and they are being called for interviews.

I have a 2.74 PharmCAS GPA and a 74%, and 18 months of experience and I have not been called yet. What the hell is going on?


That's why I do not understand LIU, you'd better to talk to dean
 
With your GPA you shouldn't count on too many invitations. It's about a full point below averages for most schools.🙄

what about 3.4-3.6? and have clinical research and being phar technician experience?
 
Well, the 2.74 GPA is because of PharmCAS averaging grades when you retake a course. I've retaken 6 courses. My LIU GPA is a pretty strong 3.3.

But the D in General Bio 1, D in Organic 1, and F in Organic 2, really drag down the GPA.

The other thing I'm considering is going to the professors who gave me those grades and asking for a grade change. I already aced those courses, if they bump me to just one grade below the grade I got the 2nd time around, it should fix the problem.

I hope that PharmCAS and AMCAS change their systems so that only the higher grade is taken when a class is retaken. Its not fair to those who spend money to retake classes.

If anything, it shows motivation to enter Pharmacy.
 
while you should be commended for not giving up and retaking those classes you have to admit that if you were an adcom would'nt those initial low grades really catch your eye ... Bio 1a and O chem are major courses that almost every school requires .. .. besides what about the people that do well in those courses the first time around without having to repeat them you have to reward them in some way don't you ?? can't just look at them equal to those who have had to repeat right?
 
while you should be commended for not giving up and retaking those classes you have to admit that if you were an adcom would'nt those initial low grades really catch your eye ... Bio 1a and O chem are major courses that almost every school requires .. .. besides what about the people that do well in those courses the first time around without having to repeat them you have to reward them in some way don't you ?? can't just look at them equal to those who have had to repeat right?


I agree with what you say
 
The other thing I'm considering is going to the professors who gave me those grades and asking for a grade change. I already aced those courses, if they bump me to just one grade below the grade I got the 2nd time around, it should fix the problem.

I hope that PharmCAS and AMCAS change their systems so that only the higher grade is taken when a class is retaken. Its not fair to those who spend money to retake classes.

If anything, it shows motivation to enter Pharmacy.

So you want your professors to wave a magic wand and change the grade you got the first time round since you did so well the second time? I have a strong hunch that they will laugh you out of their office. Also you better not ask them for letters of recommendation after you make this request.

You failed the courses, deal with it. People who don't fail courses get preferential treatment when it comes to admission. There's nothing unfair about that. I failed a few courses and I worked my butt off taking extra courses to pull my GPA out of the gutter. It was my fault I failed those courses, therefore it was my responsibility to fix the situation.

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Okay, this is a bit of a rant. I know that some people in my school (LIU) got scores like 3% on the PCAT, but have 3.5 PharmCAS GPAs, and no work experience and they are being called for interviews.

I have a 2.74 PharmCAS GPA and a 74%, and 18 months of experience and I have not been called yet. What the hell is going on?



Better luck next year?
 
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Okay, this is a bit of a rant. I know that some people in my school (LIU) got scores like 3% on the PCAT, but have 3.5 PharmCAS GPAs, and no work experience and they are being called for interviews.

I have a 2.74 PharmCAS GPA and a 74%, and 18 months of experience and I have not been called yet. What the hell is going on?

Are u an early assurance student?? plus even if u are i think u need a 3.0 according to pharmcas
Taken from pharmcas:
Application Criteria for 2008 Entering Class
Estimated average GPA of accepted students - 3.4
Minimum overall GPA considered - 3.0
Estimated entering class size - 206
Estimated number of early assurance advancing - 137



 
If you really want this there are school out there who gives freshmen forgiveness. They will only count courses taken from a certain time back. I think it is USN.
 
If you really want this there are school out there who gives freshmen forgiveness. They will only count courses taken from a certain time back. I think it is USN.

Even though it is application criteria, nobody knows what will happen. my

gpa is higher than average, I still do not hear any from them.
 
Okay, this is a bit of a rant. I know that some people in my school (LIU) got scores like 3% on the PCAT, but have 3.5 PharmCAS GPAs, and no work experience and they are being called for interviews.

I have a 2.74 PharmCAS GPA and a 74%, and 18 months of experience and I have not been called yet. What the hell is going on?


they look overall gpa , or just science and math?
 
Okay, this is a bit of a rant. I know that some people in my school (LIU) got scores like 3% on the PCAT, but have 3.5 PharmCAS GPAs, and no work experience and they are being called for interviews.

I have a 2.74 PharmCAS GPA and a 74%, and 18 months of experience and I have not been called yet. What the hell is going on?

Aside from your GPA differences... that person's LORs and PERSONAL STATEMENT could have been mind-blowing while yours were not impressive...

Im really sorry though; if you do not get any interviews (and I hope you do), re-take more classes and write a killer statement....:luck:
 
Their GPA is significantly higher than yours. I really don't know how people can possibly get a 3% PCAT score. Anyway, there are other factors that come into play..such as LOR's, extracurricular activity, leadership, etc. It really depends. I find that the application process is really about luck unless you have a SUPER high GPA. Have hope, you'll get into pharm school with persistence and hard work, as long as you show them that you have gone above and beyond (ie. getting a Masters).
 
I find that the application process is really about luck unless you have a SUPER high GPA.

The problem with so many threads is that we are all talking about different schools. University of Texas regularly rejects 4.0/99 people with pharmacy experience and other stuff.
 
Well, the 2.74 GPA is because of PharmCAS averaging grades when you retake a course. I've retaken 6 courses. My LIU GPA is a pretty strong 3.3.

But the D in General Bio 1, D in Organic 1, and F in Organic 2, really drag down the GPA.

The other thing I'm considering is going to the professors who gave me those grades and asking for a grade change. I already aced those courses, if they bump me to just one grade below the grade I got the 2nd time around, it should fix the problem.

I hope that PharmCAS and AMCAS change their systems so that only the higher grade is taken when a class is retaken. Its not fair to those who spend money to retake classes.

If anything, it shows motivation to enter Pharmacy.

I wouldn't call a 3.3 strong.

Nor is your average GPA strong.

70-ish PCAT is also nothing to be bragging about.
 
Depending on the school, I think some of them get hundreds if not thousands of applications with only close to 100. I think most schools have to draw a cut off point. It looks like LIU made the min. GPA at 3.0. I mean there are plenty of applicants with under 3.0 who I think would be awesome pharmacist and even better students than some of those with higher GPA's. You really have to meet that min. GPA or find a school with a lower GPA cut off. I mean some of the schools have thousands of applications and they can't go through them all so they really need a cut off. I mean maybe there were just a hundred of 2.8 GPA 75% PCAT, a hundred of 2.9 GPA 75% PCAT, and a hundred of 3.0 GPA 75% PCAT, and two hundred applications over 3.0 GPA and 75% PCAT with only 60 seats. Make the cutoff and separate yourself with LOR and Personal Statement.

Don't get discouraged though. My GPA similar but my PCAT was higher. You can get in to school, but you got to keep hussling to improve and separate yourself from the rest.
 
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hey there sparda, i'm sorry you didn't get into your top choice, but competition is very stiff and only getting stiffer every year.

the problem is simply that your GPA is on the very low end of the spectrum (much like mine, my overall is 2.8). The only way to get into pharmacy school with an extremely low GPA is to REALLLY shine on the other aspects of your application. Although a 74 PCAT isn't bad, it is far from impressive, if you have experience and strong letters of REC i suggest you retake the PCAT and get at least a 95, with strong sciences. Even then, you'll struggle to gain acceptance to most pharmacy schools.

good luck to you!
 
Well, the 2.74 GPA is because of PharmCAS averaging grades when you retake a course. I've retaken 6 courses. My LIU GPA is a pretty strong 3.3.

But the D in General Bio 1, D in Organic 1, and F in Organic 2, really drag down the GPA.

The other thing I'm considering is going to the professors who gave me those grades and asking for a grade change. I already aced those courses, if they bump me to just one grade below the grade I got the 2nd time around, it should fix the problem.

I hope that PharmCAS and AMCAS change their systems so that only the higher grade is taken when a class is retaken. Its not fair to those who spend money to retake classes.

If anything, it shows motivation to enter Pharmacy.



I am always in complete utter disbelief when people say things like I am going to go to the professor and ask for a grade change.You failed the classes in the first place, you made your own bed. How about stopping to complain and thinking about how to improve your application instead ?

Also Pcat is a test you take once - High GPA requires continuous hard work.

Also the reason you are ranting is because pharmcas uses a different system for calculation of GPA than your school did, those of us who go to schools where GPA calculations are done the exact same way as in pharmcas see no problem with pharmcas. My GPA if anything went up higher because my school is soo strict in calculating GPA.
 
Well, either that or switch it to an unofficial withdrawal (which counts as an F on AMCAS for some odd reason). The professor seems to have no problem with it, as long as the chairman approves it, gonna try it next week.

The professor seems to have no problem with it!!!!!!!!

Sweet!!! Now we can all fail classes left and right knowing that it is OK to re-take the class later and ask a professor to "bump me to just one grade below the grade I got the 2nd time around!" Beautiful!!!

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
Well yeah, that's basically what the Organic Chem professors have been telling Pre-Pharmacy students for the last 10 years. The only bad part was that you had to redo the lab portion of the course as well. And now due to the switch over to the PharmCAS system, anyone who followed it is screwed.

"Don't worry, if you don't do well now, you can always re-take it and get a better grade."

I guess last year was the final year for it. Damn it, if only my parents had not pulled me out of kindergarten and put me into Pre-K. I was 4 and actually walked into the wrong room at school, the stuff seemed pretty easy but then my parents didn't want me with older kids.

I know people who have been re-taking Organic like 3-5 times. I expect that the Organic Chem professors are gonna be curving their grades a lot so that they don't feel that their holding these kids back.
 
I know people who have been re-taking Organic like 3-5 times. I expect that the Organic Chem professors are gonna be curving their grades a lot so that they don't feel that their holding these kids back.

Seriously, I don't even know where to start with you. Ochem is hard anywhere, everyone has to take it, we all stuggled, and yet we all managed to come out ok in the end. Ochem profs aren't holding kids back by making their courses hard, they are doing them a favor. If feel that you can't deal with one hard class at a time, perhaps you should think about dealing with multiple classes in pharmacy school that are hard.

the D in General Bio 1, D in Organic 1, and F in Organic 2

And you wonder why your having a hard time with the admissions process? You did very poorly in ~1/3 of the core science classes you need to get into pharmacy school. As an adcom don't you think that would make you wonder about that person as a candidate for pharmacy school?
 
No offense here but with a GPA below 2.8, the school won't even bother looking any further into your application. No matter how much experience or other activities you may have, GPA remains the most important factor in admission. Never expect other factors (even PCAT) to fully make up for GPA, they are there to determine the winners among applicants who have somewhat comparable GPA. I dont want to let you down, but unless you can get your GPA at least above 3.0, don't bother applying again, you'll probably be more disappointed.
 
How in the world and why would you having your grade replaced be fair to all the other students ? Why do you think you should get a grade replacement when all the other students who fail classes do not and just DEAL with it instead of WHINING.

I was actually an ochem TA and a tutor for that class for a number of years and I have always heard a number of people whining about how hard ochem professors are and how unfair they are. Organic chemistry is NOT a tough subject ( NO ONE IS OUT THERE TO GET YOU ) - all it takes is pure dedication. After TA and teaching it I am absolutely convinced that the amount of studying and effort you put into that class is directly proportional to the grade you are going to get. When I took that class I had a toughest professor in the department - and I managed to pull in 95's - 99's on all my tests when the average for the class was like 40. 😱

You failed the class the first time, You should be accepting that and trying to work on your application and improve it. Instead you are going around the system and trying to make yourself better candidate than you truly are. Sure you aced the class the second time, but you failed it the first and what that says about you is that you can't quickly adapt or develop proper study skills when needed.

I believe pharmcas system is very fair in counting repeats because you who took 2 semesters to get a good grade in a class and someone else who passed it and aced from their first attempt are NOT on the same level. That person clearly has better time management techniques, study skills and etc.


Also if you think Organic chemistry is hard and professors are out there to get you a few words of wisdom : You have no freaken idea what's in store for you. Good luck with pchem !:laugh:
 
Well, either that or switch it to an unofficial withdrawal (which counts as an F on AMCAS for some odd reason). The professor seems to have no problem with it, as long as the chairman approves it, gonna try it next week.

Please tell me you haven't asked your mommy to call the chairman and complain about your unfairly low grades. 🙄:laugh::laugh:
 
Well, I'll try to stay nice here since my mom taught me not to say anything if all I had to say was negative. I'll simply say that my opinion is that anybody who has to retake Ochem I more than once is delusional if they think they can make it all the way through pharmacy school. I can get that people may have extreme personal circumstances that contribute to failure in many instances, but at some point they may need to face the reality that if they can't handle a sophomore level course, then pharmacy school may be a very difficult if not impossible path.
 
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Well yeah, that's basically what the Organic Chem professors have been telling Pre-Pharmacy students for the last 10 years. The only bad part was that you had to redo the lab portion of the course as well. And now due to the switch over to the PharmCAS system, anyone who followed it is screwed.

"Don't worry, if you don't do well now, you can always re-take it and get a better grade."

I guess last year was the final year for it. Damn it, if only my parents had not pulled me out of kindergarten and put me into Pre-K. I was 4 and actually walked into the wrong room at school, the stuff seemed pretty easy but then my parents didn't want me with older kids.

I know people who have been re-taking Organic like 3-5 times. I expect that the Organic Chem professors are gonna be curving their grades a lot so that they don't feel that their holding these kids back.

Oh dear. The only ones holding these people back are themselves. You earn your grades, you are not entitled to them just because you've taken them several times. There are professors who are harder than others, but then you just have to put more effort.
 
Oh dear. The only ones holding these people back are themselves. You earn your grades, you are not entitled to them just because you've taken them several times. There are professors who are harder than others, but then you just have to put more effort.


just stop defeating each other. people who are still wating for admission decision, are not in the mood; really need someone to be sympathy. If you are in that situation, you will do same as others.
 
Basically, this is how it went with Organic Chemistry. There was a bunch of hype that it was this super hard impossible greek god of fire class, I didn't buy into it. I thought it would be just like any other class.

I'm developed the wrong study skills from day one. Go to class, come home, do my homework, ace the test. That worked from day one until college.

Basically, when I started Organic Chem, all I did was take notes and then when the test came, I expected myself to be able to just spit out the mechanisms and reactions, didn't happen.

In the semesters that I did real well in Organic, it was due to a different game plan for studying. I did every homework problem in the book, probably spent 6+ hours a week on Organic Chem alone.

The first time I took Organic Chem II, I took it in the summer along with a literature class. I took only 13 credits in the Spring semester because I thought that summer classes are more condensed so I wouldn't have to write papers, wrong, I had to crank out 2, 10 page papers on some 18th century poetry. I pulled off an A- in the literature class, but an F in Organic Chem II.

This is why I think work experience matters. During my freshman year, I worked 30+ hours a week when my classmates didn't even have jobs, they just stayed at home studying or partied. Eventually, I cut it down to 20 hours a week, even that has proven tough.
 
This is why I think work experience matters. During my freshman year, I worked 30+ hours a week when my classmates didn't even have jobs, they just stayed at home studying or partied. Eventually, I cut it down to 20 hours a week, even that has proven tough.

Waaaaah. You know what that shows me? You make lousy choices, and you don't prioritize well. You should have cut down on either your hours or your courseload. You did neither, so now you have a huge monkey on your back.
 
just stop defeating each other. people who are still wating for admission decision, are not in the mood; really need someone to be sympathy. If you are in that situation, you will do same as others.

Yes it's hard and difficult, but your GPA is the direct reflection of effort. If you didn't do so well, work harder. Complaining about the process when it's annoying for everyone else is a little disrespectful to those who had to bust their rear.
 
You ask WHY??

Heres why you might not have gotten accepted...

To an admissions committee, the majority of applicants reviewed worked harder and have earned better pharmCAS GPAs than you have.

Your pcat score is at best rated as an average score and may land you an interview.

Lets look at work experience as what I would call "icing on the cake"
In your case, icing on poor stats is still poor stats.
Work experience is most effective if you can earn top grades and work at a pharmacy setting simultaneously.


Look into non-pharmCAS schools, you might have a chance there
 
Basically, this is how it went with Organic Chemistry. There was a bunch of hype that it was this super hard impossible greek god of fire class, I didn't buy into it. I thought it would be just like any other class.

I'm developed the wrong study skills from day one. Go to class, come home, do my homework, ace the test. That worked from day one until college.

Basically, when I started Organic Chem, all I did was take notes and then when the test came, I expected myself to be able to just spit out the mechanisms and reactions, didn't happen.

In the semesters that I did real well in Organic, it was due to a different game plan for studying. I did every homework problem in the book, probably spent 6+ hours a week on Organic Chem alone.

The first time I took Organic Chem II, I took it in the summer along with a literature class. I took only 13 credits in the Spring semester because I thought that summer classes are more condensed so I wouldn't have to write papers, wrong, I had to crank out 2, 10 page papers on some 18th century poetry. I pulled off an A- in the literature class, but an F in Organic Chem II.

This is why I think work experience matters. During my freshman year, I worked 30+ hours a week when my classmates didn't even have jobs, they just stayed at home studying or partied. Eventually, I cut it down to 20 hours a week, even that has proven tough.

It sounds to me like you never took advantage of the tools that are out there to help you succeed in ochem. There are tutoring programs, friends that can help, office hours, etc, etc. And why in sweet Jesus would you think that a lit class wouldn't have papers just because it was the summer? Summer classes are required to cover the same material, just in a more condensed schedule. And frankly 2, 10 page papers over an entire summer session isn't bad at all. If you have to write one a week, then maybe that would be over the top.

As others have said, maybe you should try non-pharmcas schools.
 
You have to consider the fact that you are just not a very good applicant when compared to other applicants.
 
Well, I'll try to stay nice here since my mom taught me not to say anything if all I had to say was negative. I'll simply say that my opinion is that anybody who has to retake Ochem I more than once is delusional if they think they can make it all the way through pharmacy school. I can get that people may have extreme personal circumstances that contribute to failure in many instances, but at some point they may need to face the reality that if they can't handle a sophomore level course, then pharmacy school may be a very difficult if not impossible path.

Couldn't possibly agree more! O chem is a year 2 UNDERGRAD course...things are only going to get tougher, not easier.
 
I guess last year was the final year for it. Damn it, if only my parents had not pulled me out of kindergarten and put me into Pre-K. I was 4 and actually walked into the wrong room at school, the stuff seemed pretty easy but then my parents didn't want me with older kids.

LOL you are really reaching to blame other people here.

Retake the PCAT and get 95+. Keep taking classes to boost your GPA. The system isn't unfair - some of us don't need second chances and begging professors to get good grades. I don't think that one mistake should hold people back for life and I generally wish people luck when they are trying to improve their application, but... *you* failed your class - it's no one else's fault. And it's not unfair for Pharmcas to consider that.

Oh, and I took Organic I as a summer class while working a lot and it was incredibly tough - I can sympathise with that. But that's not the only poor grade you got, so either you are not cut out for a science field, or you need to work harder.
 
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Sparda, no offense but I didn't think Organic Chemistry was -that- hard. I took both I and II over the summer and got B's in both and A's in the labs. Of course I was disappointed -- I was just shy of A's in both! I also had a million other things going on -- everyone does, so be sure you don't ever use that as an excuse if you do ever get an interview.

My point is: maybe you should really sit down and do some soul-searching about whether Pharmacy school is the best path for you. Whatever career path you choose should be fulfilling and enriching to you. Yes, it may be arduous, but it should not be such a struggle.

Oh, and stop hanging out with people who need to retake classes 5+ times. I think you need to upgrade your friends/study groups. 😛
 
My advice for low pre-pharm grades is a BS. You're not wasting time getting a degree. If the grades are averaged anyways why not average a D in something with an A in 3,400 level courses that make you a more established student and more well rounded applicant?

Some people get in the second time retaking courses during a 3rd pre-pharmacy year...but that is such a risk! Why not take jr. year classes for a related major? Then you're not that behind if at all if you do get denied.

I know prepharm students here who have retaken upwards of 4 classes. I don't know any pharmacy students who have.
 
My advice for low pre-pharm grades is a BS. You're not wasting time getting a degree. If the grades are averaged anyways why not average a D in something with an A in 3,400 level courses that make you a more established student and more well rounded applicant?

Some people get in the second time retaking courses during a 3rd pre-pharmacy year...but that is such a risk! Why not take jr. year classes for a related major? Then you're not that behind if at all if you do get denied.

I know prepharm students here who have retaken upwards of 4 classes. I don't know any pharmacy students who have.


He's been given a ton of great valuable advice- I just hope that he listens to it for his own benefit. I think this is a time for you to wake up and smell the roses. If not - then pharmacy schools will be about a million times harder for you than it should.
 
It sounds to me like you never took advantage of the tools that are out there to help you succeed in ochem. There are tutoring programs, friends that can help, office hours, etc, etc. And why in sweet Jesus would you think that a lit class wouldn't have papers just because it was the summer? Summer classes are required to cover the same material, just in a more condensed schedule. And frankly 2, 10 page papers over an entire summer session isn't bad at all. If you have to write one a week, then maybe that would be over the top.

As others have said, maybe you should try non-pharmcas schools.

One summer session = 6 weeks

I'm pretty sure that the minus that she gave me was because I tried to re-use one of my old papers.

At the time, the method I used for Organic Chem was the lecture, and just writing over the mechanisms multiple times. Only thing was, when the professor changed a component of the structure on the test, I had no idea where to go.
 
One summer session = 6 weeks

I'm pretty sure that the minus that she gave me was because I tried to re-use one of my old papers.

At the time, the method I used for Organic Chem was the lecture, and just writing over the mechanisms multiple times. Only thing was, when the professor changed a component of the structure on the test, I had no idea where to go.

Are you a pothead?
 
There is no such thing as plagiarizing off of yourself, its not illegal. Is it really so bad to always take the shortcut?

recycling papers isn't plagiarism. However, most humanities classes explicitly state that recycling your papers is considered a form of cheating. Unless stated otherwise, recycle as much as you want.

As for your Organic chem. statement, all i can say to you is "keep up the good work"👍

So if you become a pharmacist, you are going to take shortcuts during the drug verification process? Are you going to take shortcuts when taking down a rx, mixing/compounding a rx?
 
Organic Chem is done, it's been conquered, so no need for anymore sarcastic statements about that. (Unless that wasn't sarcastic. Pretty hard to pick that up online.) Basically, after the first summer session ended and I knew that I had virtually no chance left to make it into the 2007 starting class, I tried harder from the second summer session and carried the effort into the fall and spring. The ranting and bitching and moaning has been because I feel that the effort has not gotten me anything.

Well of course not, wouldn't take a shortcut for something like making sure it is the right drug, but if I had to count out 480 metformin I would weigh a full bottle of Metformin that contains 1000 pills, and weigh out half of it and give that to the patient.
 
if I had to count out 480 metformin I would weigh a full bottle of Metformin that contains 1000 pills, and weigh out half of it and give that to the patient.

All I can say is WOW! I've been holding not to write negative posts, but I do feel that by your previously post that maybe pharmacy is not the right career path for you...or any medical field. You NEED precision in these fields because people's lives depend on it. No shortcuts should ever be considered when you are dealing with a patient and his/her life; there is just too much risk!
Also, classes like general chem, bio, a&p, and especially ochem are meant to be difficult so they can weed out those that shouldn't be in the medical field...if you thought ochem was hard, you haven't seen anything yet. I wholeheartedly suggest you change career paths because I wouldn't want you making a mockery out of a pharmaceutical profession because of your shortcuts.
Just know that loopholes and shortcuts do NOT fair well in the end...
 
There is no such thing as plagiarizing off of yourself, its not illegal. Is it really so bad to always take the shortcut?

Seems like it should be ok as long as you cite yourself :laugh:

As for weighing out the pills... That seems like a good way to get fired.
 
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