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I have a 3.25 cGPA 3.16 sgpa i am looking to take the MCAT in sep 2016.

my question is will my defaulted student loans with Sallie Mae hinder me from getting financial aide. Since under grad have not been able to pay them and now i have 160k of defaulted Sallie Mae loans even though i originally borrowed just 87k. I was thinking about applying for the NHSC to help pay tuition, but i would like to become an ophthalmologist, specifically a retina specialist i have been working in ophthalmology as a technician for 1 year and i love it! NHSC only pays for MD internal med, fam med, and psych med.

Is it true that the max stadford loan is 40.5k are separate loans for new med school students. Assuming that i get in, will my financial aid packet base any award amount off of my existing under grad debt?

Help please!

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There are no credit checks in the application process. At a recent interview I was at though, they did tell us that bad credit can make it difficult for you to pay for school and most people do rely on grad plus loans so you might have a hard time.
 
Yes. Defaulted student loans = no more money from US Government.

But ... your GPAs are probably a bigger issue. How are you going to address that?

What prompted the default?
 
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Yes. Defaulted student loans = no more money from US Government.

But ... your GPAs are probably a bigger issue. How are you going to address that?

What prompted the default?

Actually I believe your credit is not a factor in receiving federal stafford loans
 
Thank you all for the post. I am a non traditional student i decided to persue medical school late. I have been done with under grad for almost 5 years. my default is a result of being in between jobs for roughly 2 and a half years. I spoke to some of the doctors i work with, and they honestly were not to concerned with the overall GPA. My main concern is in the event of acceptance what would i do next i do next.

If my GPA is a problem i am sure i can fix that.
 
Actually I believe your credit is not a factor in receiving federal stafford loans

Federal loans are provided by the US Government. Defaulting on paying back the US government, means that the US Government will no longer supply one with more money. Sallie Mae, ACS, Pick-your-favorite lender is simply the purveyor of the funds; the US Government gives the funds to the lender.

Also, at $160k for u-grad, you might be close to the top if not over the limit for what you can obtain.

@cmac2217 - you need to fix your GPA - either through more science courses in prep for MCAT and show you can do the work + MCAT score.
 
So seems to me that with my current GPA my chances are slim to nil of getting in, but even if i did than i will have a pretty substantial out of pocket cost.
 
eh your credit score won't stop you from getting into med school but good luck paying for it.
 
With your loans in default, you won't get federal aid. There is a program that allows you to get your student loans out of default. If you started now, you would technically qualify for federal aid in 9 months if you pay the adjusted amount on time every month. However, your credit history will take longer to rebuild enough to for you to be eligible for grad plus loans, which you will absolutely need for living expenses as a med student.

As far as your GPA is concerned, assuming you have a compelling story, you may be okay for the 2017 application cycle. You are going to have a tough time explaining being unemployed for 2.5 years- is there a good reason you were out of work for so long? Also, you will almost definitely need to start grad school or a post-bacc as soon as possible. Even if you had a 3.7+ undergrad GPA and strong MCAT, most med schools want to see recent grades that prove you're ready to dive into a rigorous curriculum.

I'm a non-trad too, and the application process is definitely more complicated for us. Consider this process a second full-time job that will take up most of your free time. Get in touch with your alma mater ASAP. I was surprised that mine knew exactly how to advise me; I think they all probably have more experience guiding former students than they did in the past. Message boards for non-trads are helpful too. Good luck!
 
I was about to respond to your post in the financial aid forum, but looking at your post history I saw you posted here, so I'll just post here instead since others have chimed in on this thread.

Medical schools typically don't run credit checks on applicants, so your credit problems are unlikely to hurt your chances of getting in. However, defaulting on your student loans typically means you are not eligible for further federal aid (I'm pretty sure you can't get GradPlus loans, not sure about Stafford). Unless you're at an in-state school, that means you'd have to get private loans to have any chance of funding your medical education, and they are unlikely to give you a loan without a credit-worthy cosigner. There may be other factors the Dept of Ed considers on whether to give you federal loans (like the "rehabbing" process mentioned by another poster)--but I don't know any other details.

I'll be honest--defaults look really bad these days because unless those loans with Sallie Mae are private loans, you have the option of IBR/PAYE, which allows you payments as low as $0. You also get somewhere around 1-3 years of hardship forbearance with federal loans, but that's redundant with the $0 IBR payments and really just helps bridge the gap until your IBR application gets processed. It's unfortunate that lenders often don't let borrowers know about these benefits as it can save the borrower a lot of money and a tarnished credit score.

Additionally:
1) Owing $160k before even starting medical school is a lot. You will be in a huge pile of debt. Unless you stay in-state and can keep your costs down, you may be coming out of medical school with up too $550k in debt (assuming you borrow $300k and adding in interest accumulation). That's a lot. If you go to medical school, try to stay in-state and live with family or whatever else you can do. The military route is another one you should consider.

2) As mentioned, you need to bring that GPA up. It'll be hard, but it's definitely possible and it'll take a sustained effort. I'm not sure if you'll be considered at any MD/DO schools with that current GPA, though I'm 6+ years removed from the application process and don't really know or remember what GPA trends are. But I'm pretty sure those are too low. I was considered an underdog with a GPA of 3.48--what helped me a lot was I had a 3.9 my final year and my MCAT was a >35.
 
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@RangerBob - Stafford are federal loans.

@OP - wait for the new PoTUS to come in and revamp the entire student loan crap. The Federal government should not be making money off the students. Little known fact, inside the budget of the Federal government is a line item that the Congress sees as "revenue" - it's a BIG $$$$$$.

Guess what line that is? 😉 Yeah. Us. And some of us pay 9% interest on regular Staffords.
 
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NHSC only pays for MD internal med, fam med, and psych med.
The NHSC considers MD's and DO's in the following specialties eligible for scholarship repayment:
Family Practice
General Internal Medicine
General Pediatrics
Obstetrics/Gynecology
General Psychiatry
Internal Medicine/Family Practice
Internal Medicine/Pediatrics
Family Practice/Psychiatry
Internal Medicine/Psychiatry
Rotating internship with a request to complete a residency in one of the above specialties (DOs only). http://www.nhsc.hrsa.gov/downloads/postgraduatetrainingbulletin.pdf
 
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I spoke to some of the doctors i work with, and they honestly were not to concerned with the overall GPA.
Physicians in practice know very little about the current application process.
Even academic physicians are infrequently aware of what it takes to get into their own school.
 
Thank you all so much! this information is helping me more than all of you can know. My student loans that are in default are all private loans. no federal defaulted loans. I had admissions counselling session about a month ago now with an in state school and they honestly didnt dwell on my GPA but they do want to see a higher level BIO course. I know this is a stretch, but what if i score in the 90 percentile on the MCAT.

Also i work with a academic ophthalmologists at a university hospital fyi. I also have a eye physician in the family, they have all given me good information. i am just really concerned now about my private student loans.

I wasn't unemployed, i think the correct term would be under employed. It made it difficult to pay back my minimum loan at that time which was around 850 a month.
 
Private student loans = ability to obtain Federal student loans.

If any part of those private student loans were used for anything other than:

  • books
  • tuition
  • required lab supplies

Those are dischargeable in bankruptcy - both Ch 13 and Ch 7.
 
Your GPAS are lethal for all MD schools and not even a 525 score will salvage them. This is not a time to be engaging in magic thinking either.

Even at my DO school, you're waitlist bait. You may have some luck with a decent MCAT score and by targeting the newer DO programs.

Thank you all so much! this information is helping me more than all of you can know. My student loans that are in default are all private loans. no federal defaulted loans. I had admissions counselling session about a month ago now with an in state school and they honestly didnt dwell on my GPA but they do want to see a higher level BIO course. I know this is a stretch, but what if i score in the 90 percentile on the MCAT.

Also i work with a academic ophthalmologists at a university hospital fyi. I also have a eye physician in the family, they have all given me good information. i am just really concerned now about my private student loans.

I wasn't unemployed, i think the correct term would be under employed. It made it difficult to pay back my minimum loan at that time which was around 850 a month.
 
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I was about to respond to your post in the financial aid forum, but looking at your post history I saw you posted here, so I'll just post here instead since others have chimed in on this thread.

Medical schools typically don't run credit checks on applicants, so your credit problems are unlikely to hurt your chances of getting in. However, defaulting on your student loans typically means you are not eligible for further federal aid (I'm pretty sure you can't get GradPlus loans, not sure about Stafford). Unless you're at an in-state school, that means you'd have to get private loans to have any chance of funding your medical education, and they are unlikely to give you a loan without a credit-worthy cosigner. There may be other factors the Dept of Ed considers on whether to give you federal loans (like the "rehabbing" process mentioned by another poster)--but I don't know any other details.

I'll be honest--defaults look really bad these days because unless those loans with Sallie Mae are private loans, you have the option of IBR/PAYE, which allows you payments as low as $0. You also get somewhere around 1-3 years of hardship forbearance with federal loans, but that's redundant with the $0 IBR payments and really just helps bridge the gap until your IBR application gets processed. It's unfortunate that lenders often don't let borrowers know about these benefits as it can save the borrower a lot of money and a tarnished credit score.

Additionally:
1) Owing $160k before even starting medical school is a lot. You will be in a huge pile of debt. Unless you stay in-state and can keep your costs down, you may be coming out of medical school with up too $550k in debt (assuming you borrow $300k and adding in interest accumulation). That's a lot. If you go to medical school, try to stay in-state and live with family or whatever else you can do. The military route is another one you should consider.

2) As mentioned, you need to bring that GPA up. It'll be hard, but it's definitely possible and it'll take a sustained effort. I'm not sure if you'll be considered at any MD/DO schools with that current GPA, though I'm 6+ years removed from the application process and don't really know or remember what GPA trends are. But I'm pretty sure those are too low. I was considered an underdog with a GPA of 3.48--what helped me a lot was I had a 3.9 my final year and my MCAT was a >35.

this helped a lot i will look into that private repayment option.
 
Will my work experience as a trained Ophthalmic Technician help at all as for acceptance?
 
Not much. I need to be quite frank with you--your defaulted student loans ARE a death knell for your dream to go to med school. I was not aware there was a way to get them out of default, but I very strongly advise you to take it. I guarantee you will NOT get any NHSC or other federal sponsorship (military etc ) as a clean financial record--ESPECIALLY student loan debt and repayment record--is part of the mandatory screening for these programs.
I understand financial hardship. I went through an expensive divorce in 2002 and very nearly fell into default myself but I knew that I needed to keep my options open to go back to med school eventually so I rescued them before default. It was 2011 when I was finally financially in a strong enough position to go back to med school. I'm glad I did, but it took a LOT of financial planning.

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Will my work experience as a trained Ophthalmic Technician help at all as for acceptance?

No. It would substantially help if your GPA and MCAT score were in range of schools. Only 5 years out of undergrad, I suspect no one will consider you.

If you were 10+ years out of ugrad, with substantial health care experience, NEW courses taken in prep for requirements (gen chem, orgo, physics, etc), then you might have a solid chance if you can get a very high GPA with those new courses AND a solid MCAT. They are called the reinventor types (I'm one of them; 20+ years out of school, took prereqs, did pretty decent 😉 and will take my MCAT in January - and I still do not know if that is enough!)
 
Thank you all so much! this information is helping me more than all of you can know. My student loans that are in default are all private loans. no federal defaulted loans. I had admissions counselling session about a month ago now with an in state school and they honestly didnt dwell on my GPA but they do want to see a higher level BIO course. I know this is a stretch, but what if i score in the 90 percentile on the MCAT.

Also i work with a academic ophthalmologists at a university hospital fyi. I also have a eye physician in the family, they have all given me good information. i am just really concerned now about my private student loans.

I wasn't unemployed, i think the correct term would be under employed. It made it difficult to pay back my minimum loan at that time which was around 850 a month.
You will be ineligible for PLUS loans, which will be a real problem.
 
Your GPAS are lethal for all MD schools and not even a 525 score will salvage them. This is not a time to be engaging in magic thinking either.

Even at my DO score, you're waitlist bait. You may have some luck with a decent MCAT score and by targeting the newer DO programs.
Yeah, by the looks of things this applicant has a lot of issues, stretching beyond merely financial. Even with the debt situation taken care of, the odds wouldn't be good without more coursework.
 
It seems like med school may not be in the cards then.
 
this helped a lot i will look into that private repayment option.

Unfortunately those options I mentioned were all federal repayment options (ie, for stafford, gradplus, etc.). However, you can sometimes negotiate with a private lender as they usually prefer to get some money instead of nothing. Usually you do this when you can't afford payments and are at risk of defaulting.

However, since you defaulted on private loans, I'm not so sure you're ineligible federal loans. The Dept of Ed website is pretty clear if you're in default on any federal loans you can't get any more federal aid until you're out of default, but it doesn't mention anything about the consequences of defaulting on private loans. It probably still has the same effect, but it wouldn't hurt to talk to a financial aid adviser or someone with the department of education and clarify things.

If you plan to go to medical school, here's what you need to do:

1) Boost that GPA. You might actually need to re-take all the science pre-reqs if you're 5 years out--I think some schools have a limit on how far out you can be. It wouldn't be a bad idea to re-take them anyway if you're going to be taking the MCAT. A post-bac/special master's program may not be a bad option for you as a way to take those courses, but know two things: One, it's still going to be a bit of a long-shot, and two, you'd have to accumulate even more debt to pay for that program.

Consider that if you got another 4-year degree and got all A's, that 4.0 in that 4-year program, it would average with your current 3.2 to give you a 3.6 GPA. 3.6 is a good GPA to be working with (though still usually below average for MD schools, I believe), but I'm just trying to show you how hard it is to bring up a GPA and how much effort it's going to take you. It takes a long time to bring up your GPA--you really need to get only A's and A-'s from this point forward as the odds are you aren't going to be getting another 4-year degree so there's no way you can get your GPA up that high. What you can do is hopefully boost up your science GPA and show a strong and sustained upward trend (I believe DO schools still only look at the best grade in a particular science class if you retake the course, vs averaging for MD schools--so it's easier to raise your GPA if you apply to DO programs). I would argue you need at least two years of A and A- performance for programs to consider you.

2) Get your private loans out of default and make regular monthly payments on them. Call your lender and set-up a plan.

Keep in mind private loans often have a limit to how much in-school deferment you're eligible for, so it's possible if you did go to medical school that you will still need to make regular payments on those loans.

You're sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place between your GPA and your credit. Plus, the amount of debt you're likely to be in (assuming you're successful) when all is said and done is no small thing either.

I think you can tell the odds are quite against your here, but it's not impossible. You just need to get the facts on federal loan eligibility with defaulted private loans and work on your GPA, and then really study for the MCAT. I guess the scoring system has changed with the new MCAT because I have no idea what Goro means by a 525, but you really should only take the real MCAT when you're consistently scoring high on practice MCATs.

TLDR: Boost that GPA, and call the Dept of Education to find out how private loan default affects federal loan eligibility.
 
It seems like med school may not be in the cards then.

I would say not at this point.

FWIW, I'm a story teller. I was 29 once. I vaguely remember those days, think my son was an infant then. He's 24 now. 😉 My GPA from ugrad is worse than yours. At 35, I was told to jump off a bridge if I'd ever think of trying to get into med school no matter how well I did in pre-reqs. I'd already been volunteering for inner city kids, homeless, and ARC. So, I plowed into well drilling in Peru on behalf of Rotary and forgot about trying to get in. Nose pressed against the window sort of thing.

At 44, someone lit a fuse in under my butt. He's a physician. I made a few calls, talked to a few different adcom members from different schools; talked to admissions from different schools. Started my prereqs. Gen chem, orgo, biochem, bio, physics, etc. Got a very good GPA.

Now north of 44, far north actually, I'm sitting for the MCAT in January. If medicine is something you really want to do, it will be there when the time is right for you. You might be 35 or 40; but think of it this way:

right now you're trying to do two battles at the same time neither of which has a great chance of success. Give yourself time to fix the loan situation; take some time away from school.

Come back with your loans fixed, invigorated to study and get the GPA required. If you don't come back, then you're not in a worse situation, only better.
 
^^great advice above! Best wishes to you Ad2b.

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Unfortunately those options I mentioned were all federal repayment options (ie, for stafford, gradplus, etc.). However, you can sometimes negotiate with a private lender as they usually prefer to get some money instead of nothing. Usually you do this when you can't afford payments and are at risk of defaulting.

However, since you defaulted on private loans, I'm not so sure you're ineligible federal loans. The Dept of Ed website is pretty clear if you're in default on any federal loans you can't get any more federal aid until you're out of default, but it doesn't mention anything about the consequences of defaulting on private loans. It probably still has the same effect, but it wouldn't hurt to talk to a financial aid adviser or someone with the department of education and clarify things.

If you plan to go to medical school, here's what you need to do:

1) Boost that GPA. You might actually need to re-take all the science pre-reqs if you're 5 years out--I think some schools have a limit on how far out you can be. It wouldn't be a bad idea to re-take them anyway if you're going to be taking the MCAT. A post-bac/special master's program may not be a bad option for you as a way to take those courses, but know two things: One, it's still going to be a bit of a long-shot, and two, you'd have to accumulate even more debt to pay for that program.

Consider that if you got another 4-year degree and got all A's, that 4.0 in that 4-year program, it would average with your current 3.2 to give you a 3.6 GPA. 3.6 is a good GPA to be working with (though still usually below average for MD schools, I believe), but I'm just trying to show you how hard it is to bring up a GPA and how much effort it's going to take you. It takes a long time to bring up your GPA--you really need to get only A's and A-'s from this point forward as the odds are you aren't going to be getting another 4-year degree so there's no way you can get your GPA up that high. What you can do is hopefully boost up your science GPA and show a strong and sustained upward trend (I believe DO schools still only look at the best grade in a particular science class if you retake the course, vs averaging for MD schools--so it's easier to raise your GPA if you apply to DO programs). I would argue you need at least two years of A and A- performance for programs to consider you.

2) Get your private loans out of default and make regular monthly payments on them. Call your lender and set-up a plan.

Keep in mind private loans often have a limit to how much in-school deferment you're eligible for, so it's possible if you did go to medical school that you will still need to make regular payments on those loans.

You're sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place between your GPA and your credit. Plus, the amount of debt you're likely to be in (assuming you're successful) when all is said and done is no small thing either.

I think you can tell the odds are quite against your here, but it's not impossible. You just need to get the facts on federal loan eligibility with defaulted private loans and work on your GPA, and then really study for the MCAT. I guess the scoring system has changed with the new MCAT because I have no idea what Goro means by a 525, but you really should only take the real MCAT when you're consistently scoring high on practice MCATs.

TLDR: Boost that GPA, and call the Dept of Education to find out how private loan default affects federal loan eligibility.

I have thought about this. Getting a second degree. I would have to fix the loan situation first.
 
I would say not at this point.

FWIW, I'm a story teller. I was 29 once. I vaguely remember those days, think my son was an infant then. He's 24 now. 😉 My GPA from ugrad is worse than yours. At 35, I was told to jump off a bridge if I'd ever think of trying to get into med school no matter how well I did in pre-reqs. I'd already been volunteering for inner city kids, homeless, and ARC. So, I plowed into well drilling in Peru on behalf of Rotary and forgot about trying to get in. Nose pressed against the window sort of thing.

At 44, someone lit a fuse in under my butt. He's a physician. I made a few calls, talked to a few different adcom members from different schools; talked to admissions from different schools. Started my prereqs. Gen chem, orgo, biochem, bio, physics, etc. Got a very good GPA.

Now north of 44, far north actually, I'm sitting for the MCAT in January. If medicine is something you really want to do, it will be there when the time is right for you. You might be 35 or 40; but think of it this way:

right now you're trying to do two battles at the same time neither of which has a great chance of success. Give yourself time to fix the loan situation; take some time away from school.

Come back with your loans fixed, invigorated to study and get the GPA required. If you don't come back, then you're not in a worse situation, only better.

What you state here seems more realistic for me. This sounds like sound advice.
 
1) retake courses in which you received a C or lower
2) ace the MCAT (85%+)
3) apply to DO schools
(Optional) 4) win the lottery and ignore aforementioned steps
 
1) retake courses in which you received a C or lower
2) ace the MCAT (85%+)
3) apply to DO schools
(Optional) 4) win the lottery and ignore aforementioned steps


I thought about DO schools. There is one locally, I have scheduled admissions counseling session with them. I have had one counseling session so far with a MD school. They gave me some good guidance for making a competitive app. I am going to be talking to several schools, and sending my current transcripts to see what others have to say. So far things don't look as grim as they did a few days ago.
 
I would say not at this point.

FWIW, I'm a story teller. I was 29 once. I vaguely remember those days, think my son was an infant then. He's 24 now. 😉 My GPA from ugrad is worse than yours. At 35, I was told to jump off a bridge if I'd ever think of trying to get into med school no matter how well I did in pre-reqs. I'd already been volunteering for inner city kids, homeless, and ARC. So, I plowed into well drilling in Peru on behalf of Rotary and forgot about trying to get in. Nose pressed against the window sort of thing.

At 44, someone lit a fuse in under my butt. He's a physician. I made a few calls, talked to a few different adcom members from different schools; talked to admissions from different schools. Started my prereqs. Gen chem, orgo, biochem, bio, physics, etc. Got a very good GPA.

Now north of 44, far north actually, I'm sitting for the MCAT in January. If medicine is something you really want to do, it will be there when the time is right for you. You might be 35 or 40; but think of it this way:

right now you're trying to do two battles at the same time neither of which has a great chance of success. Give yourself time to fix the loan situation; take some time away from school.

Come back with your loans fixed, invigorated to study and get the GPA required. If you don't come back, then you're not in a worse situation, only better.
Hi. I just joined this network to ask you how your journey to medical school is going. I'm 37 and battling all the hangups with age and less than amazing GPA. Your post is inspiring and gives me hope that it's never too late, even if I need to re-take some classes. So thank you for that 🙂

I see this post is from a few years ago....Were you able to get accepted anywhere?
 
Hi. I just joined this network to ask you how your journey to medical school is going. I'm 37 and battling all the hangups with age and less than amazing GPA. Your post is inspiring and gives me hope that it's never too late, even if I need to re-take some classes. So thank you for that 🙂

I see this post is from a few years ago....Were you able to get accepted anywhere?

OP hasn’t been on SDN since 2015 sorry to say
 
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