Will the new executive order Trump signed to affect the Match in any way?

[psychMDhopefully]

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He wants to stop H1-B visas or something, I guess this will be good for American students, not so much for IMGs. Most of IMGs are on J1 anyway right? Will this affect American students matching in the next couple of years? Maybe a little easier to match? Maybe higher resident salaries?

 

[joker2400]

He wants to stop H1-B visas or something, I guess this will be good for American students, not so much for IMGs. Most of IMGs are on J1 anyway right? Will this affect American students matching in the next couple of years? Maybe a little easier to match? Maybe higher resident salaries?

 

[sovereign0]

I thought IMGs by definition were US Citizens so they wouldn't need visas. If that's true then it only affects FMGs.

In any case, IMGs and FMGs are already so marginalized in the match I doubt this will have much of an effect on US students.

 

[sloop]

He wants to stop H1-B visas or something, I guess this will be good for American students, not so much for IMGs. Most of IMGs are on J1 anyway right?

I was under the impression that IMGs were American citizens as well, so I don't think it would affect them.

Will this affect American students matching in the next couple of years? Maybe a little easier to match?

Probably minimal impact.

Maybe higher resident salaries?

What? This is inconceivable.

 

[psychMDhopefully]

I thought IMGs by definition were US Citizens so they wouldn't need visas. If that's true then it only affects FMGs.

In any case, IMGs and FMGs are already so marginalized in the match I doubt this will have much of an effect on US students.

There are about 3300 FMGs that match every year, most of those in IM.

http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Charting-Outcomes-IMGs-2016.pdf

So the residencies in big cities that are basically malignant IMG sweatshops, might not fill.

 

[GoodWillShunting]

What? This is inconceivable.

replace "salaries" with "work hours"


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[Goro]

H1B's are for people who have job skills that Americans don't have or too few have, such as in tech. The executive order will have no effect on medicine.

IMG= International Medical Graduate = Americans who go to foreign medical schools (like Carib diploma mills)
FMG = Foreign Medical Graduate = foreign MDs who come here for, or after residency.

FYI, resident salaries are not affected by the number of medical graduates. Matching can be affected by the number of MD and DO schools opening, which basically means IMGs will be squeezed out, unless more residency slots are created....but don't hold your breath. At least two new MD schools will open doors this year, and at least five are coming on line in the next few years. Don't get me started on DO.

He wants to stop H1-B visas or something, I guess this will be good for American students, not so much for IMGs. Most of IMGs are on J1 anyway right? Will this affect American students matching in the next couple of years? Maybe a little easier to match? Maybe higher resident salaries?

 

[cellsaver]

At least two new MD schools will open doors this year, and at least five are coming on line in the next few years. Don't get me started on DO.

Any thoughts on why Nova Southeastern University is opening an MD school in conjunction with their successful DO school operating since 1979?

The official party line is here but I have to wonder if revenue is their motivation. Your thoughts?

 

[Goro]

MD schools are a LOT more expensive to run than DO schools, thanks to those pesky LCME requirements for trivial things like research and clinical facilities.

A lot of MD schools actually lose money on education...a decent academic department can bring in more money in indirect grant costs than can be had from an entire class of med student tuition.

Any thoughts on why Nova Southeastern University is opening an MD school in conjunction with their successful DO school operating since 1979?

The official party line is here but I have to wonder if revenue is their motivation. Your thoughts?

 

[cellsaver]

MD schools are a LOT more expensive to run than DO schools, thanks to those pesky LCME requirements for trivial things like research and clinical facilities.

A lot of MD schools actually lose money on education...a decent academic department can bring in more money in indirect grant costs than can be had from an entire class of med student tuition.

If I understand you correctly, revenue can't be their rationale for opening an MD school. So then it begs the question, "is Nova diminishing the argument that a D.O. Degree is no lesser than having an M.D. degree?" If the DO degree has reached the same level of parity as the MD, why in the world would Nova open an MD school?

I recall when they were Southeastern College of Osteopathic Medicine (SECOM) in the early 1980s, and people wondered, "what's a D.O. degree?". They succeeded! Why backtrack and open an MD school?

I don't get it.

 

[ConfusedChemist]

How badly will/could this effect Canadians looking to work/do fellowship in the US? (non-IMG, since our schools are considered equiv) if J1 isn't an option due to the 2-yr return/no approval from health Canada for J1 in many sub specs? Assuming we would be needing an H1B Visa

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

If I understand you correctly, revenue can't be their rationale for opening an MD school. So then it begs the question, "is Nova diminishing the argument that a D.O. Degree is no lesser than having an M.D. degree?" If the DO degree has reached the same level of parity as the MD, why in the world would Nova open an MD school?

I recall when they were Southeastern College of Osteopathic Medicine (SECOM) in the early 1980s, and people wondered, "what's a D.O. degree?". They succeeded! Why backtrack and open an MD school?

I don't get it.

Could be any number of reasons, but just guessing off the top off my head is that having an MD program will give greater recognition to the overall school and maybe attract higher quality faculty. That said, it's not true that all MD schools must lose money, especially private.