Will UK RCP accredited Core Medical Training and MRCP help in getting IM residency spot?

[doctorusmle]

Hi all ,
I want to know from the experienced members on this forum if UK Royal College of Physicians accredited Core Medical Training (2.5 years)and MRCP will help in getting an IM spot for above 12 years old graduate with one failed attempt on CS ,with very good score on Step1 ,above 200 on step2 and a pass on Step3 with old US observership experience?Have been working in the western health system for last 6.5 years.
Replies will be appreciated !
Thanks !

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[GoSpursGo]

My initial thought is that, frankly, nothing is going to help someone who graduated 12 years ago, failed CS, and (it sounds like) has been working in a non-patient care capacity for at least the last 6.5 years.

I don't know exactly how much patient contact you would get from the CMT, but then you would be 14.5 years from graduation and 9 years from any meaningful USCE. So I imagine the answer to your question is no, but defer to others who may have better knowledge of the CMT beyond what I Googled over the last few minutes.

 

[doctorusmle]

Thank you .
I am not working in a non-patient care capacity .I have been working as a registered doctor (unaccredited registrar) in ED ,General Medicine ,and even did rotations in other specialties viz.Surg,Palliative care ,Peds,etc.But in 2016 I started working as a core medical trainee which is the equivalent of US Intern and Resident year in the UK and passed MRCP exams.It is basic physician training.
Core Medical Training is the two-year part of postgraduate medical training following Foundation Year 1 and 2 ,successful completion of which is required to enter higher training in the medical subspecialties. The programme is overseen by the Joint Royal Colleges Postgraduate Training Board, which represents the three Medical Royal Colleges in the UK.

Thanks !

 

[GoSpursGo]

Got it. When someone says they have been "working in western health," a lot of times that means they are a research coordinator or working in some other non-clinical capacity, hence my confusion.

I defer to others with more experience than me, then.

 

[doctorusmle]

Core Medical Training in the UK is the toughest training to be in with huge patient loads,on call ,night shifts with 9 days leave every rotation which is of four months.One never finishes on time.The current staffing crisis in NHS UK has added to it and that is the reason why doctors avoid CMT in general.I have worked in Gastro ,Cardio ,Stroke ,Geriatrics ,Acute Medicine ,Resp ,ICU during CMT.So,when it comes to the patient contact then you can understand from my description.We also supervise Foundation and other core trainee doctors.
This is what Acponline says :
"Although there is no escape from the various examinations, the FMGs who have passed examinations such as MRCP or have obtained experience in hospitals in the UK can often receive some exemptions from the required number of years for residency. Usually MRCP gives you a credit for one year, and one-half year of credit is given for each year of residency done in the UK. The Chairman needs to write a strong letter of recommendation, and an application for the exemption should be made at the earliest."

PS:I am about to finish CMT in two months.

Thanks

 

[mvenus929]

Hi all ,
I want to know from the experienced members on this forum if UK Royal College of Physicians accredited Core Medical Training (2.5 years)and MRCP will help in getting an IM spot for above 12 years old graduate with one failed attempt on CS ,with very good score on Step1 ,above 200 on step2 and a pass on Step3 with old US observership experience?Have been working in the western health system for last 6.5 years.
Replies will be appreciated !
Thanks !

I have no idea regarding the Core Medical Training, but I wanted to point out that ‘above 200’ on Step 2 doesn’t mean a whole lot, since I’m fairly certain the passing score is now 209. And a 210 is a whole lot different than 250.

 

[doctorusmle]

Thanks mvenus,
I took Steps prior to 2009 not recently and back then the passing score was much lower.

 

[rokshana]

Thanks mvenus,
I took Steps prior to 2009 not recently and back then the passing score was much lower.

Still with everything done over a decade ago, you have a very slim chance of matching in the US...frankly I doubt there are many PDs that know what core medical training in the UK entails.
The failed cs isn’t going to help either. But if you have been working as a doctor for the last 6.5 years that will help

 

[doctorusmle]

Still with everything done over a decade ago, you have a very slim chance of matching in the US...frankly I doubt there are many PDs that know what core medical training in the UK entails.
The failed cs isn’t going to help either. But if you have been working as a doctor for the last 6.5 years that will help

Thanks Rokshana ,
So you mean to say the PDs and the faculty in the US residency programs have no idea about the UK Royal Colleges accredited training or its quality.I just mentioned above a paragraph from the Acponline, which is American college of Physicians website, which makes it seem that MRCP and CMT are considered.
If what you are saying is true then it is a futile exercise even to apply .

 

[NotAProgDirector]

It going to be completely institution and program dependent. It's very unlikely that you would get any credit for prior training.

 

[doctorusmle]

It going to be completely institution and program dependent. It's very unlikely that you would get any credit for prior training.

Thanks aPD,
My question actually is how much will it help me in getting IM residency spot considering my not so good USMLE performance and being an old graduate?

 

[Raryn]

Thanks aPD,
My question actually is how much will it help me in getting IM residency spot considering my not so good USMLE performance and being an old graduate?

It won't. Your chance of getting into a US residency at this point is near zero.

 

[NotAProgDirector]

Unfortunately, I agree. Unless you have some sort of connection with a program (they "know" the program you're in, or someone in leadership there is from the UK and recognizes your training), then perhaps. But even with that, your poor scores and many years since grad, not looking good.

 

[Winged Scapula]

If I understand your timeline correctly, you graduated from medical school 12 years ago.

Then you were unable to obtain an accredited RMO or registrar position for 3 years and then worked in an unaccredited position for 6.5 years. Subsequently, you have completed your Foundation 1 and 2 years and passed MRCP(UK) exam(s) (not sure if all parts).

You are correct in that some specialities will allow Royal College training to substitute for US training. For example, the American Board of Surgery may consider granting partial credit for foreign graduate medical education to a resident in an U.S. ACGME-accredited general surgery residency program. However, you must already be in US training for this to be granted. FWIW, the article from ACPonline you quoted above was written in 2000. While much of its advice is still correct, many things have changed since then.

Unfortunately, many programs have year of graduation cut offs and a failure in any of the USMLEs and a less than stellar score in another (and it sounds like your scores are nearly 10 years old?) does not bode well for you. There are many FMGs with great scores and better applications that it would seem unlikely that a program would take a chance on you. It would seem wiser to attempt to get into specialist training in the UK.

 

[doctorusmle]

If I understand your timeline correctly, you graduated from medical school 12 years ago.

Then you were unable to obtain an accredited RMO or registrar position for 3 years and then worked in an unaccredited position for 6.5 years. Subsequently, you have completed your Foundation 1 and 2 years and passed MRCP(UK) exam(s) (not sure if all parts).

You are correct in that some specialities will allow Royal College training to substitute for US training. For example, the American Board of Surgery may consider granting partial credit for foreign graduate medical education to a resident in an U.S. ACGME-accredited general surgery residency program. However, you must already be in US training for this to be granted. FWIW, the article from ACPonline you quoted above was written in 2000. While much of its advice is still correct, many things have changed since then.

Unfortunately, many programs have year of graduation cut offs and a failure in any of the USMLEs and a less than stellar score in another (and it sounds like your scores are nearly 10 years old?) does not bode well for you. There are many FMGs with great scores and better applications that it would seem unlikely that a program would take a chance on you. It would seem wiser to attempt to get into specialist training in the UK.

WS,yes I worked as a doctor in my home country initially and then did equivalent of FY1 and FY2 in the UK followed by unaccredited registrar job in different specialties and then started CMT two years back and completed MRCP.
Yes scores are more than ten years old.
Thanks