Withdrawing from X school. Poll

[drshark]

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This poll is to display where you have declined acceptance from or plan to.. just to show where movement may take place for other applicants 🙂 you can choose multiple options!

 

[abolt18]

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Fail...

 

[drshark]

Fail...

it's my fist poll. I'm trying 🙂

 

[abolt18]

it's my fist poll. I'm trying 🙂

I see now!

 

[NeuroLAX]

I wish I had something like this last cycle. Nice work drshark! 👍

 

[drshark]

I wish I had something like this last cycle. Nice work drshark! 👍

😀 just trying to help fellow SDNers

 

[Mr Kenobi]

I'm in. Good idea...be interesting to see how it ends up looking.

 

[drshark]

I'm in. Good idea...be interesting to see how it ends up looking.

The more the merrier! 🙂 I encourage every applicant to please participate

 

[dsoz]

voted. Nova and COMP-NW withdrew post-acceptance.

Does this include places that I withdrew post secondary but pre-interview? I canceled multiple interviews, most were with at least three weeks warning.

withdrew also from wait list at LECOM-Bradenton (not listed in poll) *

dsoz

*EDIT- I did not choose it for the poll because I was on the waitlist, not accepted.

 

[abolt18]

voted. Nova and COMP-NW withdrew post-acceptance.

Does this include places that I withdrew post secondary but pre-interview? I canceled multiple interviews, most were with at least three weeks warning.

withdrew also from wait list at LECOM-Bradenton (not listed in poll)

dsoz

LECOM-B is indeed on the list.

 

[drshark]

voted. Nova and COMP-NW withdrew post-acceptance.

Does this include places that I withdrew post secondary but pre-interview? I canceled multiple interviews, most were with at least three weeks warning.

withdrew also from wait list at LECOM-Bradenton (not listed in poll)

dsoz

Let's keep this at acceptances for the pole but if people want to comment where they declined interviews recently that would be helpful as well !

 

[MedPR]

Wow nova is king right now.

DMU and nova for me. Declined interviews from KCOM, AZCOM, and KCUMB.

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[abolt18]

Wow nova is king right now.

DMU and nova for me. Declined interviews from KCOM, AZCOM, and KCUMB.

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Did you get accepted to DMU?

 

[GopherMD]

Declined acceptances at AZCOM and DMU. Declined interview at LECOM-E. Declined "post-interview hold" at KCOM.

 

[MedPR]

Did you get accepted to DMU?

Yes

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[Pigglyjuff]

Where's TCOM on the list?

Oh wait, no one would reject that school 🙂

 

[Dmr6186]

Why does no one like Nova 🙁

 

[Pigglyjuff]

Why does no one like Nova 🙁

Why does NOVA not want to give me an interview 🙁 I would gladly go!

 

[Dmr6186]

Why does NOVA not want to give me an interview 🙁 I would gladly go!

I wish we knew. But based on the poll, it looks like you would withdraw anyway! 😀

 

[littlegreen88]

withdrawing from acceptance at LECOM-B , wait list at KCUMB and withdrawing interview from LECOM-E

 

[JaBoomDay]

Where's TCOM on the list?

Oh wait, no one would reject that school 🙂

I was thinking the same thing.


I declined Nova's acceptance for DMU. I'll decline DMU if I get off the waitlist at TCOM.

 

[wehttamrrek]

Withdrawing interviews at wvsom, lmu-dcom, lecom, and probably ccom.

 

[coolingglasses]

Withdrew interviews at PNWU, TouroNY, ATSU-SOMA. Withdrew acceptance at WVSOM.

Still have an interview scheduled at Nova, even though the full deposit was already committed to KCOM...

 

[DC1987]

After getting into Lake Erie/Seton Hill
I declined interview invites to WVSOM and NOVA.

After getting acceptance to PCOM I declined my acceptance to Lake Erie and withdrew my application from UNECOM, UMDNJ, and NYCOM which I had not heard from yet.

Strangely even though I had declined an interview from NOVA back in September they sent me another interview invite again a couple weeks ago and had to decline them again. Was very confused, but I guess it was just some error where they forgot to remove my file after I declined their interview.

 

[angldrps]

After getting into Lake Erie/Seton Hill
I declined interview invites to WVSOM and NOVA.

After getting acceptance to PCOM I declined my acceptance to Lake Erie and withdrew my application from UNECOM, UMDNJ, and NYCOM which I had not heard from yet.

Strangely even though I had declined an interview from NOVA back in September they sent me another interview invite again a couple weeks ago and had to decline them again. Was very confused, but I guess it was just some error where they forgot to remove my file after I declined their interview.

yeah...NOVA's admissions dept. seems to be very disorganized and really needs to get it together. They sent me another ii too after I had sent an email withdrawing my application. I think I remember reading that they also mistakenly sent out acceptance emails to the wrong applicants.

back on topic: withdrew acceptances from AZCOM,KCOM, Touro-NV and withdrew interviews at NOVA, LECOM-E, ACOM.

 

[abolt18]

yeah...NOVA's admissions dept. seems to be very disorganized and really needs to get it together. They sent me another ii too after I had sent an email withdrawing my application. I think I remember reading that they also mistakenly sent out acceptance emails to the wrong applicants.

back on topic: withdrew acceptances from AZCOM,KCOM, Touro-NV and withdrew interviews at NOVA, LECOM-E, ACOM.

They also sent out an email to tons of people saying "Thanks for paying your first deposit!" even though it had not been paid lol.

 

[MusicJunkie]

1) DO Interview invites at: Nova, AT Still, PCOM-GA, PCOM-PA, and Western.

2) Withdrew from AT Still, PCOM-GA after Nova acceptance.

3) Withdrew from Nova, Western, PCOM-PA after UA Phoenix Med acceptance.

 

[angldrps]

They also sent out an email to tons of people saying "Thanks for paying your first deposit!" even though it had not been paid lol.

Wow! if this had happened to me, I would have totally played along and sent a reply email saying thank you for accepting my deposit so I could secure a seat as a Plan B just in case the school I actually want to go to didn't work out. haha 😀

 

[drshark]

So far great participation, but let's try for more! 😀

 

[TheSeanieB]

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[coolingglasses]

Sadly, I am an M2 at Nova. If I could go back in time, I would go somewhere else.

Details? PM if needed? I have an interview at Nova but I'm pretty deeply invested at KCOM, save for the location.

 

[TheSeanieB]

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[dudeliness]

Declined interviews at PNWU, LMU-DCOM, KCOM, KCUMB, and WVSOM. Declined acceptances at AZCOM, NOVA, ATSU-SOMA, and LECOM-Erie.

 

[coolingglasses]

Just to name a few of the issues: the school's basic science program is not geared towards step 1 (you have to fill in the gaps yourself), you are required to do 80 hours of non-medical community service in your free time (part of a grant that the school gets), just added medical spanish requirement by end of year 2 (to get another state grant), when you take a test you do not get your score until 2-4 weeks later (M2 year), test are never returned and not available to look at, the school does not provide practice cases or questions it just lectures and does not follow a book (handouts are provided), manditory rural rotations (another state grant), .......

Interesting. I mean, some of that stuff I can deal with, but not having your first two years aimed towards boards seems silly. And that wait on test scores seems pretty long... aren't the exams computerized?

 

[DolFAN]

Just to name a few of the issues: the school's basic science program is not geared towards step 1 (you have to fill in the gaps yourself), you are required to do 80 hours of non-medical community service in your free time (part of a grant that the school gets), just added medical spanish requirement by end of year 2 (to get another state grant), when you take a test you do not get your score until 2-4 weeks later (M2 year), test are never returned and not available to look at, the school does not provide practice cases or questions it just lectures and does not follow a book (handouts are provided), manditory rural rotations (another state grant), .......

I withdrew acceptances from other schools for NOVA. I hope I dont feel the same way while I possibly attend there. Though the students I've spoken to (several since I live in the area) seem happy with the school. Time will tell.

 

[Ravizzle]

I withdrew acceptances from other schools for NOVA. I hope I dont feel the same way while I possibly attend there. Though the students I've spoken to (several since I live in the area) seem happy with the school. Time will tell.

Also chose Nova over other schools.
Funny thing is the medical Spanish was one of the reasons I wanted to attend. The rural rotation 4th year is one of the big drawbacks but other things about the school made me choose it over others.

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[coolingglasses]

Also chose Nova over other schools.
Funny thing is the medical Spanish was one of the reasons I wanted to attend. The rural rotation 4th year is one of the big drawbacks but other things about the school made me choose it over others.

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I'll probably have a big use for medical Spanish in Missouri, too. And I'll face rural rotations in any place I end up at, I'm sure.

 

[Dmr6186]

Just to name a few of the issues: the school's basic science program is not geared towards step 1 (you have to fill in the gaps yourself), you are required to do 80 hours of non-medical community service in your free time (part of a grant that the school gets), just added medical spanish requirement by end of year 2 (to get another state grant), when you take a test you do not get your score until 2-4 weeks later (M2 year), test are never returned and not available to look at, the school does not provide practice cases or questions it just lectures and does not follow a book (handouts are provided), manditory rural rotations (another state grant), .......

The only thing that looks not too desirable is the long wait for test results. Other than that, the medical Spanish can prove to be extremely useful, especially since the number of Hispanics are growing every year.

The volunteering is also good because it is some extra stuff for your resume for residency apps, so that's a plus.

Rural rotations... well, yeah. Lol. Can't argue with that.

 

[surgeryDO]

This poll is to display where you have declined acceptance from or plan to.. just to show where movement may take place for other applicants 🙂 you can choose multiple options!

I really like this poll! It's awesome!

It's interesting to see the trends in schools the most people decline or withdraw from.

 

[DC1987]

Just to name a few of the issues: the school's basic science program is not geared towards step 1 (you have to fill in the gaps yourself), you are required to do 80 hours of non-medical community service in your free time (part of a grant that the school gets), just added medical spanish requirement by end of year 2 (to get another state grant), when you take a test you do not get your score until 2-4 weeks later (M2 year), test are never returned and not available to look at, the school does not provide practice cases or questions it just lectures and does not follow a book (handouts are provided), manditory rural rotations (another state grant), .......

Some of these things aren't necessarily bad on their own, like medical spanish, rural rotation, and volunteer work. However, the fact that they're mandatory is a major turn off. Plus the other stuff can't really be spun in a positive light. Glad I turned them down, a lot of that info isn't available on their website.

 

[NeuroLAX]

Some of these things aren't necessarily bad on their own, like medical spanish, rural rotation, and volunteer work. However, the fact that they're mandatory is a major turn off. Plus the other stuff can't really be spun in a positive light. Glad I turned them down, a lot of that info isn't available on their website.

To each their own, but honestly would you do 80 hours of volunteer in 2 years if it wasn't mandatory? Maybe yes, maybe no. Either way, it's not as if you're giving up every weekend to do community service. For those who would have done it regardless of it being mandatory, super. For those who are complaining about it being mandatory, I don't get it. I'm doing an event that's coming up and I will be getting more than 25% of the total service hours, just one event... It's not hard. If you're lazy, then I can see how mandatory service is a drag... but then again it's your fault for making it a drag. Get active in something that interests or moves you in some way. What else are you planning on doing to add to your residency application if not at least 80 hours volunteering?

As for rural rotations, it is what it is. I'm going to play it smart and plan accordingly.

Mandatory medical Spanish? You've got to be kidding me. IMO, this is part of the reason why this country is viewed as arrogant and ignorant in some foreign countries. We expect everyone to speak English. Plus, it would be a huge disservice to your patients and your career if you're unable to communicate basic medical terms to Spanish-speaking patients. If you're thinking "oh, I'll just get an interpreter or have one of my bilingual nurses help me," then you've just doubled the appointment time and now you're making everyone after this patient wait. We all know how on-time every physician's office is, amirite?? Plus, if you're able to communicate one-on-one with this patient, the better rapport you will build. Who knows, they may even be a little more forthcoming about something that could narrow down your differential. You'd be surprised just how many diagnoses can be made by simply taking a good history!

The issue about the basic science curriculum not being geared towards the boards: I mostly agree. It would be nice to have more board-style questions to get used to the format. Anatomy is dry and requires a lot of memorization, but I can assure you my professor went above and beyond the notes to include board-related and residency-related topics and make appropriate connections. Biochemistry is not the best organized, but if you spend any time looking at other resources concurrently (like BRS) then you'll be able to fill in the blanks. And we did have plenty of case-based questions in anatomy and biochemistry, it just wasn't fully "board style" by any means. OPP exams are board-style. On the other hand, the days of 100% spoon-feeding are over. We are supposed to be self-directed learners. The smart medical student does not simply rely on materials provided by the school. The smart medical student looks at different resources to make connections and foundations to build upon as they progress.

No school is perfect, but people will always find something to complain about.

 

[azide10]

Gotta agree with neurolax, those requirements aren't really that bad. People can tun the rural rotation into an amazing experience, learning Spanish can be a huge boon, and the 80 hours over 2 years is nothing, What I thought Seanie was getting at was that the school is getting grants based on forcing the medical students to do things that could be seen as a hindrance meanwhile the tuition and average indebtedness is one of the highest in the nation. To me it seems like the school just isn't that invested in the best interests of the students (I'm assuming these grants aren't going towards lowering the students tuition).

I turned NOVA down mainly for the curriculum and the cost. The curriculum has had enough negative reviews on SDN without one positive one that I could find and that was enough to sway me, especially at that cost. I also had a very bad interview day and felt while I was there in person that the school wasn't that invested in the students. But there are plenty of positives at NOVA, doubt I need to point those out.

Spanish was the toughest thing for me to let go when I turned down NOVA. I'm currently committed to a school that doesn't offer it. Love the school otherwise but still looking at other schools that may offer it.

 

[NeuroLAX]

Gotta agree with neurolax, those requirements aren't really that bad. People can tun the rural rotation into an amazing experience, learning Spanish can be a huge boon, and the 80 hours over 2 years is nothing, What I thought Seanie was getting at was that the school is getting grants based on forcing the medical students to do things that could be seen as a hindrance meanwhile the tuition and average indebtedness is one of the highest in the nation. To me it seems like the school just isn't that invested in the best interests of the students (I'm assuming these grants aren't going towards lowering the students tuition).

I turned NOVA down mainly for the curriculum and the cost. The curriculum has had enough negative reviews on SDN without one positive one that I could find and that was enough to sway me, especially at that cost. I also had a very bad interview day and felt while I was there in person that the school wasn't that invested in the students. But there are plenty of positives at NOVA, doubt I need to point those out.

Spanish was the toughest thing for me to let go when I turned down NOVA. I'm currently committed to a school that doesn't offer it. Love the school otherwise but still looking at other schools that may offer it.

More people are likely to post negative reviews than positive ones. That goes for just about anything that can have feedback. People are quick to point out the ugly but not the pretty. I'd hate to use your own comment, but exhibit A: "But there are plenty of positives at NOVA, doubt I need to point those out." If one searches for Nova vs ___ (mostly LECOM-B since these are the two DO schools in FL), you can find a plethora of pro/con reviews. Most are archived, so you can either use the Search bar or Google it.

The cost of attendance is pretty high, but I doubt many people will need the 80k+ that is listed in the "estimated COA" they give at the interview. Those figures are always overestimated. There are ways to get a stipend and have the last two years paid off so you graduate with only pre-clinical debt: these are the research and OPP fellowships. They tack on a year but you graduate with 1/2 the debt. Also, grants don't necessarily mean lower student tuition.

 

[azide10]

More people are likely to post negative reviews than positive ones. That goes for just about anything that can have feedback. People are quick to point out the ugly but not the pretty. I'd hate to use your own comment, but exhibit A: "But there are plenty of positives at NOVA, doubt I need to point those out." If one searches for Nova vs ___ (mostly LECOM-B since these are the two DO schools in FL), you can find a plethora of pro/con reviews. Most are archived, so you can either use the Search bar or Google it.

The cost of attendance is pretty high, but I doubt many people will need the 80k+ that is listed in the "estimated COA" they give at the interview. Those figures are always overestimated. There are ways to get a stipend and have the last two years paid off so you graduate with only pre-clinical debt: these are the research and OPP fellowships. They tack on a year but you graduate with 1/2 the debt. Also, grants don't necessarily mean lower student tuition.

True more people are likely to post negative than positive. Of course it's important to keep bias in mind. However all reviews, good and bad, have included what I said. I said I doubt I need to point out the positives because they are blatantly obvious to anyone that has spent a second researching the school, if they haven't and are truly interested then they will go do it. I wasn't writing a pro/con for the school and anyone can easily see that. And while it's true grants don't necessarily mean lower student tuition, it can be frustrating to have such a high tuition and have the school getting grants off of what the students are forced to do. You're right there are ways to lower the COA, which add to the idea that it doesn't make sense why the average indebtedness is so high. This is a fact that posters here have been unable to answer and faculty at NOVA danced around when asked. I simply never was able to find out why it was so high.

I'm not trying to bash NOVA in any way, those are just the 2 major cons which probably are significant reason why it's so high on this list. But anyone going there shouldn't be doubting themselves from this poll, they obviously knew the COA and in terms of studying take advice from other students that have been through it (like you would at any other school). It was a hard decision for me to turn my acceptance down there, the location, rotations, and spanish were very enticing to me. I just felt more comfortable elsewhere.

And of course posters such as yourself are huge assets to the school and future student body. It's very inspirational what you do and I hope I'm able to do it for whichever school I attend next year.

 

[NeuroLAX]

True more people are likely to post negative than positive. Of course it's important to keep bias in mind. However all reviews, good and bad, have included what I said. I said I doubt I need to point out the positives because they are blatantly obvious to anyone that has spent a second researching the school, if they haven't and are truly interested then they will go do it. I wasn't writing a pro/con for the school and anyone can easily see that. And while it's true grants don't necessarily mean lower student tuition, it can be frustrating to have such a high tuition and have the school getting grants off of what the students are forced to do. You're right there are ways to lower the COA, which add to the idea that it doesn't make sense why the average indebtedness is so high. This is a fact that posters here have been unable to answer and faculty at NOVA danced around when asked. I simply never was able to find out why it was so high.

I'm not trying to bash NOVA in any way, those are just the 2 major cons which probably are significant reason why it's so high on this list. But anyone going there shouldn't be doubting themselves from this poll, they obviously knew the COA and in terms of studying take advice from other students that have been through it (like you would at any other school). It was a hard decision for me to turn my acceptance down there, the location, rotations, and spanish were very enticing to me. I just felt more comfortable elsewhere.

And of course posters such as yourself are huge assets to the school and future student body. It's very inspirational what you do and I hope I'm able to do it for whichever school I attend next year.

I know you're not bashing Nova. I really wish I knew why tuition is so high. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but for me at this point it is what it is, sadly. Where are you thinking of going?

 

[TheSeanieB]

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[NeuroLAX]

I would have said the same thing two years ago. Training in medical spanish sounds great. Here is the reality about it though. The training is completely independent study from PDFs that you download and read yourself. The amount of memorization in med school is unreal and throwing in a foreign language makes it much harder. I hope to learn Spanish in my career but not at the same time I am studying for Step 1.

On the bright side, if you are interested in OPP, Nova is exceptional in that area. Nova students do really well on that portion of the board exam. However, overall the school is not good for pass rates.

Probably because our OPP exams are board style 😉. Lol one of my classmates walked out of the final and was like "damn that was hard as ****!" Everyone still taking the exam started laughing... because it was true.

 

[Dmr6186]

I know a level 1 trauma hospital EM PD that specifically seeks out residents with some sort of multi language background. Sure it sounds painful to learn Spanish during med school but I'm sure the payoff will be worth it. It would definitely be worth it for the rural rotations.

Even though the school may not teach towards the boards, that's what all the supplemental study materials are for too, right?

 

[racerwad]

Even though the school may not teach towards the boards, that's what all the supplemental study materials are for too, right?

Lol then what are you paying them for?!? The first two years are board prep and anything else is mindless fluff that just steals from study time, family/friend time, or sleep. Don't kid yourself.

As for the volunteering, it won't help anyone's residency apps if its mandatory and everyone else does it. Think about it - that's why no one wants to just pass the boards - you want to do as well as possible so that you can stand out.

I know that as a pre-med most of us just wanted to get in anywhere, but this is your future and a $300+k bill you're signing up for. You should approach it carefully.

 

[Dmr6186]

Lol then what are you paying them for?!? The first two years are board prep and anything else is mindless fluff that just steals from study time, family/friend time, or sleep. Don't kid yourself.

I guess I am just trying to see if it is just because they teach topics that just simply are not on the board exams? But I know that there are many med students who do well at Nova. Hell even a doc in my ER recently came from Nova and she's doing incredibly well for herself, so it's obviously not impossible to go to Nova and do well. Maybe if some 3rd or 4th years from here could comment that would help?