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Hi,
I did obtain a couple from a couple of professors but now I am worried about what's in them. It is just that I barely got to know them even though I did well in their classes. Should I still use them?🙁
 
You can ask them if the letters were positive. The first question for a potential LOR writer, imho, should be "would you write me a good recommendation?" If they don't show enthusiasm then you know they wouldn't.
 
Hi,
I did obtain a couple from a couple of professors but now I am worried about what's in them. It is just that I barely got to know them even though I did well in their classes. Should I still use them?🙁

Let me start by saying that a letter is often very insidious part of a package, and one you really can't control. Many professors feel obligated to write a letter, but often the tone can come off as weak/negative even if the wording was carefully neutral. I think that you need to get "strong" letters (and you need to ask as per Dr. Midlife to ensure that the letter was strong). Weak letters don't help. Negative letters hurt. Professors feel honor bound to give what they think is an accurate letter (you should know if they would write a glowing leter based on your interactions)

Many schools offer a pre-med committee that compiles a composite letter that may be a little more comprehensive. Basically, there is a packet "form" that requires a number of professors to fill out a numerical ranking of observed abilities (think of this as the professor's giving you the evaluation that you usually do toward the end of the semester) as well as a personal comments section. The committee then interviews you (like a med school interview) and then a form letter is composed. This form letter has room for personal comments, so if you had a very strong letter then it can be included verbatim. The not-so strong letters may be summarized or essentially left out at the committee's (chairman) decision. Many med schools like/expect a committee letter if it is available at your school.

Make sure you work to get a few great, glowing letters (get to know a professor, volunteer to tutor, do research with the professor, etc.) and if there is a committee, make sure you stay in constant contact with them!

good luck
 
Thanks for all the responses. I am a non-trad and a new mom. How can I get to know the professors very well? My classes are 250 students big. I can not and don't want to start research just for the sake of getting into med school. I would rather care for my baby during the day time. I can obtain glowing letters from my managers at work. Is this something I shoudl talk to the med schools about (the fact that I was out of school and have worked for 15 years)?
Thanks!
 
Thanks for all the responses. I am a non-trad and a new mom. How can I get to know the professors very well? My classes are 250 students big. I can not and don't want to start research just for the sake of getting into med school. I would rather care for my baby during the day time. I can obtain glowing letters from my managers at work. Is this something I shoudl talk to the med schools about (the fact that I was out of school and have worked for 15 years)?
Thanks!

Ok-a few more hints here.

1st: look at the attachment to this response. Most schools have a spectrum of expected letters. In many cases, extra letters ("character" references from non-med or non professor) are probably not really considered as carefully. In fact, given the amount of paper that med schools have to encounter during app. season, I have heard that most schools want 10 total pages (MAX) for the recommendation section from all sources. So multiple letters from managers might not even really get included to the ADCOM.


This is why I highly recommend the pre-med committee letter. The pre-med committee will draft a 10 page letter-some of it scoring of abilities, some of it personal, and all in a easy to handle format. If you can get the pre-med committee letter, then do it! Then I would make sure to get to know the committee (chairman, and any department members). Since this is a group, just getting to know them personally is a big step (and more than usually done by most). Getting to know the committee on a personal level can help, but not replace being a good student.

2nd.) look to differentiate yourself from the 250 students. If a professor offers help sessions, go and ask pertinent questions (specifically, DO NOT ask "do I really need to know this", "will this be on the test", "is this fair"- i.e. don't be a whiner). If the professor has a hand in the labs, make sure your labs are a little more than just cookie cutter (i.e. explain any weird results). If the class needs tutors (esp. for a class you just completed) volunteer to help out here (this will ultimately benefit you for the MCAT in any event.) Make sure to ask questions in or after class in a respectful manner.

3rd) Don't just stop at the 250 person intro classes. Do well in a couple of upper level classes and get some letters there.

4th) Many professors might appreciate it if you helped out the letter writing process. Make a special resume that they could reference. Gently offer to write your own 1st draft of a latter (make it humble, so that they could use it as a skeleton). Give the professors lots of time (don't rush them)

5th) Never complain-either to the professors, or in the PS, or in personal calls to the ADCOMS. It can't help

Finally-remember the letters are just one part of a package. If any part is substandard, then it is not good, and will hurt your application. So treat the references with the respect you treat the other sections.
 

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Ok-a few more hints here.

1st: look at the attachment to this response. Most schools have a spectrum of expected letters. In many cases, extra letters ("character" references from non-med or non professor) are probably not really considered as carefully. In fact, given the amount of paper that med schools have to encounter during app. season, I have heard that most schools want 10 total pages (MAX) for the recommendation section from all sources. So multiple letters from managers might not even really get included to the ADCOM.


This is why I highly recommend the pre-med committee letter. The pre-med committee will draft a 10 page letter-some of it scoring of abilities, some of it personal, and all in a easy to handle format. If you can get the pre-med committee letter, then do it! Then I would make sure to get to know the committee (chairman, and any department members). Since this is a group, just getting to know them personally is a big step (and more than usually done by most). Getting to know the committee on a personal level can help, but not replace being a good student.

2nd.) look to differentiate yourself from the 250 students. If a professor offers help sessions, go and ask pertinent questions (specifically, DO NOT ask "do I really need to know this", "will this be on the test", "is this fair"- i.e. don't be a whiner). If the professor has a hand in the labs, make sure your labs are a little more than just cookie cutter (i.e. explain any weird results). If the class needs tutors (esp. for a class you just completed) volunteer to help out here (this will ultimately benefit you for the MCAT in any event.) Make sure to ask questions in or after class in a respectful manner.

3rd) Don't just stop at the 250 person intro classes. Do well in a couple of upper level classes and get some letters there.

4th) Many professors might appreciate it if you helped out the letter writing process. Make a special resume that they could reference. Gently offer to write your own 1st draft of a latter (make it humble, so that they could use it as a skeleton). Give the professors lots of time (don't rush them)

5th) Never complain-either to the professors, or in the PS, or in personal calls to the ADCOMS. It can't help

Finally-remember the letters are just one part of a package. If any part is substandard, then it is not good, and will hurt your application. So treat the references with the respect you treat the other sections.
Thanks so much for taking the time to reply.

In my school, professors do not do help sessions or labs. PhD students aka TAs handle it. I did ask many questions and sat in the first row always. That is how I got to know the professors.

I did take a couple of upper level classes- biochem and human physiology. I did biochem online because I just had a c-section. I am proud of getting an A but I had no professor. Human Physiology was a large class. At the public U where I go, even upper divition classes are 200+ large. I will take Genetics and Anatomy and see if I can get more recommendations out of those instructors. But I am afraid it will cost me 3K more to do that.

I think you are right about preparing a skeleton. We do not have a premed committee where I go, so I will have to type in a template to make it easy for the professors.

Thanks again, in spite of getting all A's so far in 9 courses, I feel so lonely in this battle sometimes!
 
Many professors will give you the opportunity to meet with them and do an interview of sorts to better prepare your letter. You should provide them a CV, transcripts, and a clear reasoning for your motivation to medicine.

Office hours (if you can make them) are usually the best chance to get to know your professors. You can try to hang out after class or strike a conversation if you're both early to class, but this isn't always an option. Even if you do not know them very well, if you take your time to prepare materials for them, they will most likely take the letter writing seriously and speak of your preparedness and motivation.
 
Use your profs office hours. This is the best way to get to know them and to learn the material for your class. Come with well thought out questions and ask for insight on handling problems.
For OChem I probably averaged about 2-3 trips a week to see my prof outside of class. It helped tremendously with the class and with getting a great LOR.

Even if your school has a committee you still need LORs because that is what they will use to draft your letter.
 
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