Worse GPA/MCAT, considering future paths

[dorianking]

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So as the title says, I have the worse possible GPA possible and MCAT. Probably 2.0-2.5 depending on the turn out this semester and a low 10s on the MCAT (yes, I'm aware that I will re-take it, but the GPA buff is more important right now). I essentially did terrible in every single pre-req course except for 1 or 2 and did well on the easy electives. I was going through some mental health issues the first 2 years of University and even with a gradual uphill of grades, my GPA is still way beyond repair.

Now that I am graduating, I'm looking to do a second degree instead of Masters because Masters is good and everything, but adcoms look towards undergrad the most, not to mention that my disgusting GPA would even be considered by any Universities.

My main concern is, how do US or Carribean (The Big 4 Only) MD schools look toward a second degree (I'm a Canadian Citizen by the way). And if I were to pursue a second degree, should I just take something easy program like anything dealing with health politics (which is my forte) and easily get a 4.0 or should I consider getting a second degree in sciences again at a different University, re-taking all the med school pre-reqs and do as well as I can; I'm positive that I can get 80-90% which is a huge improvement from the 50s I got the first time.

Also, I'm looking to get a MD, not considering at all a DO and you are all probably LOL right now thinking "has he lost his marbles, DO is the only thing he has got a shot at." But I rather take a gamble at Carribean MD to be put in an IMG than get a DO, that's how much the letters mean to me (to each his own 😛)

Anyways, input on what I should do would help a lot! If you guys think I'm trolling, I assure I am not and I'm dead serious about this thread and everything about it is the truth.

 

[SLC]

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Also, I'm looking to get a MD, not considering at all a DO and you are all probably LOL right now thinking "has he lost his marbles, DO is the only thing he has got a shot at." But I rather take a gamble at Carribean MD to be put in an IMG than get a DO, that's how much the letters mean to me.

Don't know what to say to you, best of luck with that!

But you're misinformed, Caribbean MD is probably the only think you'd have a shot at. DO is not all that far off from US MD in terms of average GPA and MCAT these days, you'll be below cutoff at every single school, and won't make any progress with DO. And even with Caribbean, you're going to have to pretty much double your MCAT and raise your GPA a bit to get a shot. At least "the letters" would be to your liking!

Best of luck, hope things go well the second time around.

 

[LingoLaine]

LOL Have you lost your marbles?

 

[FrkyBgStok]

Lmao. Good luck with that.

 

[TriagePreMed]

You probably won't find tough love like this anywhere else: it's time to move on with your life. Having a GPA <2.5 and an MCAT in the 10's simply shows that you don't have what it takes to go to medical school (be it problems in life, laziness, lack of discipline in studying, etc.). Instead of wasting your money on a second degree, masters, or even worse, going to the Caribbean, it's time to re-asses what you want to do with your life. Not everyone that wants to be a doctor becomes a doctor.

If by any miracle of life you make it into Caribbean, keep in mind that 50% of students drop out before the USMLE and 50% of those remaining don't make it into residency. With your academic performance, it's obvious what end you'll come out of, and you will owe an extraordinary amount of money for, literally, nothing.

 

[katiemaude]

I'd recommend getting a job at a hospital - any job that gives you experience working with patients, exposure to various health fields and some training. You can make money while you figure out if there is any other patient-contact job that will make you happy. There are so many things you can do and only a small percentage of people helping patients are MDs or DOs.

Within a year or two, I bet you will find out that there are some other fields that interest you and maybe even give you the motivation to change your study habits or whatever was going wrong the first time around. In a few years, you might have more of whatever was lacking, and be more successful at school on the second go-round, whether it's for premed or something else.

 

[dorianking]

My concern isn't on my current GPA state which is what a lot of you seem to be fixated on. I'm more wondering on how does the weighing work on second degrees. I know in Canada, they do put more weight on later year grades (second degree or not) so I want to know if they do that in the US or in the Carribeans. I'm not looking for people to tell me my chances; yes my chances may be close to zero but I'm not just going to give up just yet.

 

[gunito]

I graduated with a 2.32, and have been trying to get back to a 3.0; I'm sure many others have done the same but with a more open mindset. If you wanted to be an MD soooooo bad then you should have done something about it earlier. If you even consider DO schools you can do grade replacement and have an easier time raising your gpa. First, be a little more realistic. A 2.0 gpa is gonna take 4-5 years to get somewhere worth it...so hopefully you have a 2.5ish. I'm sure you know what you gotta do.

 

[DrMidlife]

You're making a huge assumption that you can start getting A's in difficult science courses, simply by choosing to do so. It doesn't work that way.

Here's a recipe for what to do next: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=11083370&postcount=3

Best of luck to you.

 

[TriagePreMed]

My concern isn't on my current GPA state which is what a lot of you seem to be fixated on. I'm more wondering on how does the weighing work on second degrees. I know in Canada, they do put more weight on later year grades (second degree or not) so I want to know if they do that in the US or in the Carribeans. I'm not looking for people to tell me my chances; yes my chances may be close to zero but I'm not just going to give up just yet.

US schools are simply out of your reach... likely forever. Canadians accepted at MD schools are far in between and the majority with 3.8+ GPA and stellar MCAT.

If you're really going to walk down this road, it is Caribbean only, and the Caribbean only cares about one thing: numbers. Not even your EC matter much. It doesn't matter how you get there (GPA). A second bachelors won't be "weighed more." It only matters the end GPA. If you want SGU, it will not happen with below a 3.0. My friend at AUC told me the bare minimum should be a 2.7 if your MCAT is >28. Ross is usually comparable to AUC. SABA is a joke though, so they might take you at 2.5/24 MCAT.

Your chances in the US are, for all practical purposes, zero. For the Caribbean, nearly zero. It's honestly a lot better to consider a new career.

 

[notbobtrustme]

You need several years of grade rehabilitation for any continental medical school. I'm not even sure if it's possible to do that.

Honestly, if you really want it, you have to look into the Carribean. It's not advisible but if you can see yourself doing nothing else, then you have to hit the minimum GPA/MCAT and be prepared for an even more grueling trek than normal.

If possible, ask daddy to donate enough money so that a wing is named after him. That can also get you in.

 

[GenusTide]

Please tell me an adviser is not telling you to go ahead and do this, and if they are find a new one! You will waste money ( yours, your parents, loans) and undoubtedly have absolutely nothing to show for it. The statement in your original post about you caring more about the letters signifies that you are obviously in this for the wrong reasons such as " my daddy's a MD and said I have to go to medical school but it cannot be those witch doctor DO schools." Be realistic and find something you are passionate about because it is definitely not medicine as proven by your GPA and motivation to do well. I would not feel comfortable letting someone treat my family or myself that was not capable or motivated enough to do well. So yes, please take the easier Undergrad degree to reinforce to adcoms that you are in this for all the wrong reasons and tried to find a loophole into getting in. Or if you are truly passionate about "health politics" then pursue a degree in this area, do well and try and make a difference to help patients in this capacity.

 

[wholeheartedly]

The first thing I'd recommend is taking a year or two off and then re-assess where you are in your life, why you're there, and what you want. I think it's not just going to take good scores but some time and distance to get beyond this. Get some work experience or some other valuable experiences and then go from there. Why do you want to go to medical school? Why MD only? and can you build enough motivation to be successful from here on out? Are you being realistic? Did you fall short giving it everything you got or just coasting?

I think to be successful you'll need to have better insight into what you're doing and why. You'll have to address a lot of questions:

Did you not study enough, life issues, something else? Was the MD thing a late decision after you did poorly in classes? If it wasn't a recent decision, what did you try to fix the situation before it got to this point and why didn't it work? Did you freeze up on the MCAT? Did you take any practice tests? Did you feel prepared? If not, why walk into that exam and put yourself in the position of having to retake it? What can you do differently to make sure you'll be successful in the next round? What about medical school, which has a much faster pace and is less forgiving, requiring you to adapt faster if things don't work?

Good problem solving and decision making skills are key in medicine, and for getting accepted too.

Good luck, you've got one heck of a comeback to make if you go for it.

 

[sirenomelia]

I predict this guy will go on into hospital administration and make 7 figures and laugh at us slaves toiling for peanuts when he's leaving work at 430 in his Lambo.

 

[Member10]

If you have made a decision to go to med school then by all means pursue it at full speed and don't look back. But you have to be a rockstar from here on out- nothing but perfection. It's going to take a lot of work to get your foot in the door somewhere but by working hard you you will make a lot of allies along the way that will advocate for you and help you get a chance.

The problem is that too many people with rocky backgrounds are written off too quickly (look at the last 15 posts) so it is extremely rare that people actually keep going forward to completion. I've talked with so many admissions people at med schools who are fascinated with my story, and to be honest with you it's not all that unique, I simply believe that it is rare they get those type of applicants. My mentor failed out of college and despite all the negative advice got a PhD from Stanford gets published like crazy. You just have to be prepared to work until you feel like you are going to die : )

If I were you I would finish your second degree in something you know you can get all As in. Getting your GPA up now will open up doors for the next step- which would be a post bac program. You need to take all those premed courses again and knock them out of the park along with the MCAT. After that a 1 year record enhancer/ masters program at an institution with a path to med school is your best bet. At this point your worst case scenario is the Caribbean if you managed to do extremely well.

I would recommend doing an EMT-B program this summer; it will give you drive/ focus or potentially steer you in a better direction.

 

[Medicinewoman85]

If you have made a decision to go to med school then by all means pursue it at full speed and don't look back. But you have to be a rockstar from here on out- nothing but perfection. It's going to take a lot of work to get your foot in the door somewhere but by working hard you you will make a lot of allies along the way that will advocate for you and help you get a chance.

The problem is that too many people with rocky backgrounds are written off too quickly (look at the last 15 posts) so it is extremely rare that people actually keep going forward to completion. I've talked with so many admissions people at med schools who are fascinated with my story, and to be honest with you it's not all that unique, I simply believe that it is rare they get those type of applicants. My mentor failed out of college and despite all the negative advice got a PhD from Stanford gets published like crazy. You just have to be prepared to work until you feel like you are going to die : )

If I were you I would finish your second degree in something you know you can get all As in. Getting your GPA up now will open up doors for the next step- which would be a post bac program. You need to take all those premed courses again and knock them out of the park along with the MCAT. After that a 1 year record enhancer/ masters program at an institution with a path to med school is your best bet. At this point your worst case scenario is the Caribbean if you managed to do extremely well.

I would recommend doing an EMT-B program this summer; it will give you drive/ focus or potentially steer you in a better direction.

👍 I couldnt agree more.

 

[dbizzy]

 

[startoverat40]

what about move to Texas and take advantage of grade replacement?

 

[notbobtrustme]

what about move to Texas and take advantage of grade replacement?

doesn't that require like a decade of waiting since that wipes your record clean? or is Texas similar to AACOMAS, which allows for re-takes?

 

[beckhunter116]

Texas you would have to wait for a decade and it only applies to medical schools in Texas.

 

[gettheleadout]

Texas you would have to wait for a decade and it only applies to medical schools in Texas.

Not the best policy for taking deliberate advantage of, but useful for long out of school non-trads, which I think is part of the idea.

 

[flodhi1]

So as the title says, I have the worse possible GPA possible and MCAT. Probably 2.0-2.5 depending on the turn out this semester and a low 10s on the MCAT (yes, I'm aware that I will re-take it, but the GPA buff is more important right now). I essentially did terrible in every single pre-req course except for 1 or 2 and did well on the easy electives. I was going through some mental health issues the first 2 years of University and even with a gradual uphill of grades, my GPA is still way beyond repair.

Now that I am graduating, I'm looking to do a second degree instead of Masters because Masters is good and everything, but adcoms look towards undergrad the most, not to mention that my disgusting GPA would even be considered by any Universities.

My main concern is, how do US or Carribean (The Big 4 Only) MD schools look toward a second degree (I'm a Canadian Citizen by the way). And if I were to pursue a second degree, should I just take something easy program like anything dealing with health politics (which is my forte) and easily get a 4.0 or should I consider getting a second degree in sciences again at a different University, re-taking all the med school pre-reqs and do as well as I can; I'm positive that I can get 80-90% which is a huge improvement from the 50s I got the first time.

Also, I'm looking to get a MD, not considering at all a DO and you are all probably LOL right now thinking "has he lost his marbles, DO is the only thing he has got a shot at." But I rather take a gamble at Carribean MD to be put in an IMG than get a DO, that's how much the letters mean to me (to each his own 😛)

Anyways, input on what I should do would help a lot! If you guys think I'm trolling, I assure I am not and I'm dead serious about this thread and everything about it is the truth.

👎

 

[MIAYO]

No chance. You should seriously consider another career.

 

[ChandutheMagici]

So as the title says, I have the worse possible GPA possible and MCAT. Probably 2.0-2.5 depending on the turn out this semester and a low 10s on the MCAT (yes, I'm aware that I will re-take it, but the GPA buff is more important right now). I essentially did terrible in every single pre-req course except for 1 or 2 and did well on the easy electives. I was going through some mental health issues the first 2 years of University and even with a gradual uphill of grades, my GPA is still way beyond repair.......
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Also, I'm looking to get a MD, not considering at all a DO and you are all probably LOL right now thinking "has he lost his marbles, DO is the only thing he has got a shot at." But I rather take a gamble at Carribean MD to be put in an IMG than get a DO, that's how much the letters mean to me (to each his own 😛)

Anyways, input on what I should do would help a lot! If you guys think I'm trolling, I assure I am not and I'm dead serious about this thread and everything about it is the truth.

This may be a long shot, but have you considered identity theft? It may be possible to steal someone else's social security number to go back and do undergrad again.

 

[TriagePreMed]

This may be a long shot, but have you considered identity theft? It may be possible to steal someone else's social security number to go back and do undergrad again.

LOL genius. To entertain the joke: doesn't the MCAT take fingerprints? Wouldn't they match his lousy score with his new identity? lol

.... DO is the only thing he has got a shot at."

You don't have the "shot" of D.O. in your lifetime. People need to understand that D.O. is not your local community college that accepts any GPA/MCAT that comes through that door.

 

[jasin]

So as the title says, I have the worse possible GPA possible and MCAT. Probably 2.0-2.5 depending on the turn out this semester and a low 10s on the MCAT (yes, I'm aware that I will re-take it, but the GPA buff is more important right now). I essentially did terrible in every single pre-req course except for 1 or 2 and did well on the easy electives. I was going through some mental health issues the first 2 years of University and even with a gradual uphill of grades, my GPA is still way beyond repair.

Now that I am graduating, I'm looking to do a second degree instead of Masters because Masters is good and everything, but adcoms look towards undergrad the most, not to mention that my disgusting GPA would even be considered by any Universities.

My main concern is, how do US or Carribean (The Big 4 Only) MD schools look toward a second degree (I'm a Canadian Citizen by the way). And if I were to pursue a second degree, should I just take something easy program like anything dealing with health politics (which is my forte) and easily get a 4.0 or should I consider getting a second degree in sciences again at a different University, re-taking all the med school pre-reqs and do as well as I can; I'm positive that I can get 80-90% which is a huge improvement from the 50s I got the first time.

Also, I'm looking to get a MD, not considering at all a DO and you are all probably LOL right now thinking "has he lost his marbles, DO is the only thing he has got a shot at." But I rather take a gamble at Carribean MD to be put in an IMG than get a DO, that's how much the letters mean to me (to each his own 😛)

Anyways, input on what I should do would help a lot! If you guys think I'm trolling, I assure I am not and I'm dead serious about this thread and everything about it is the truth.

You probably wont get into a Medical school like McGill with those grades. And Carribean schools are the worst. I would stay away from them at all costs. The Masters wont help you much either. Medical schools do not really care about that. The best way to go would be to Enroll in a Postbaccalaureate Premedical Program and get really good grades doing that.

Oh, and do not listen to the people on here who tell you, you will never be a doctor. People like that are never worth listening too. Sure, they are probably trying to give you the truth, but in reality they are also discouraging you and not giving you any advice on fixing this or getting around this.

Also, if you have a legit reason for having low grades sometimes medical schools will look at that in your favor. It's very rare but it has happened before. It is not unheard of. I myself have a legit reason for my grades being low. I think its a pretty good reason too.

 

[jasin]

People need to understand that D.O. is not your local community college that accepts any GPA/MCAT that comes through that door.

It is a shame how many on here act and behave as if they are. People on here act like allopathic schools are the holy grail of medical schools. It's very pathetic too because in practice D.O.s are just as much doctors as M.D.s

 

[jasin]

I do not think you people realize that he is from Canada and in many parts of Canada Osteopaths are not doctors. Many osteopathic schools in Canada actually give their graduates diplomas not Medical degrees or Doctorates. As a result, Osteopaths in Canada are restricted too Manual Manipulation and can't operate, prescribe medications, etc.

 

[LegendaryPunk]

Oh, and do not listen to the people on here who tell you, you will never be a doctor. People like that are never worth listening too. Sure, they are probably trying to give you the truth, but in reality they are also discouraging you and not giving you any advice on fixing this or getting around this.

You're right - people are discouraging him, but for good reason I think. He would have to spend years in school, accumulating debt, just for a sliver of a chance to be accepted at a Caribbean school. Go check out the numerous underdog threads, where you'll find tons of support for those with less than stellar backgrounds. This isn't a board that shoots down every applicant with a sub 4.0 GPA and <35 MCAT.

Furthermore, there is nothing to indicate he would be able to pull off the numbers he needs for this small chance. Saying "I can take an easy degree to get a 4.0" doesn't mean squat.

I won't say that he has a 0% chance, because I have read some awesome underdog stories. But the amount of risk he would be taking on is gigantic.

 

[dmf2682]

You're right - people are discouraging him, but for good reason I think. He would have to spend years in school, accumulating debt, just for a sliver of a chance to be accepted at a Caribbean school. Go check out the numerous underdog threads, where you'll find tons of support for those with less than stellar backgrounds. This isn't a board that shoots down every applicant with a sub 4.0 GPA and <35 MCAT.

Furthermore, there is nothing to indicate he would be able to pull off the numbers he needs for this small chance. Saying "I can take an easy degree to get a 4.0" doesn't mean squat.

I won't say that he has a 0% chance, because I have read some awesome underdog stories. But the amount of risk he would be taking on is gigantic.

Good post.

 

[jasin]

You're right - people are discouraging him, but for good reason I think. He would have to spend years in school, accumulating debt, just for a sliver of a chance to be accepted at a Caribbean school. Go check out the numerous underdog threads, where you'll find tons of support for those with less than stellar backgrounds. This isn't a board that shoots down every applicant with a sub 4.0 GPA and <35 MCAT.

Furthermore, there is nothing to indicate he would be able to pull off the numbers he needs for this small chance. Saying "I can take an easy degree to get a 4.0" doesn't mean squat.

I won't say that he has a 0% chance, because I have read some awesome underdog stories. But the amount of risk he would be taking on is gigantic.

No, people are discouraging him to show off, to make themselves better than the rest of us non-4.0ers. I see it all the time on here. Its pretty sickening too because in this forum here we suppose to help others; we are suppose to help people find ways of accomplishing their goals.

And just because someone gets rejected because of grades does not mean they are not smart. Medical schools have rejected lots of very, very smart people who's grades were not up to snuff. Dr. Harold Elliot Varmus for example, he got rejected from Harvard medical school twice.

Oh, and yeah, people are not always rejected because of grades .. even if their grades are pretty low. Take me for example, I got rejected from UW Medical because I am deaf. One of deans of admissions told me so. They actually stated I cannot be a doctor because I am deaf.

There website actually said under the admissions requirements that you had to be "hearing". And strangely enough, three months after I got that email the website was changed. That was no longer on the site.

 

[dmf2682]

No, people are discouraging him to show off, to make themselves better than the rest of us non-4.0s. I see it all the time on here. Its pretty sickening too because this forum here we suppose to help others; we are suppose to help people find ways of accomplishing their goals.

Even if their goals don't make sense, are impossible to attain, or if not impossible then highly improbable and would result in lots of grief and debt? I maintain that it's not the purpose of sdn to help everyone attain their goals, but more to help them to understand what they really want and what's best for them.

 

[jasin]

Even if their goals don't make sense, are impossible to attain, or if not impossible then highly improbable and would result in lots of grief and debt? I maintain that it's not the purpose of sdn to help everyone attain their goals, but more to help them to understand what they really want and what's best for them.

So now his bachelors degree is all of sudden worthless because according to you he'll never be able to get into medical school? Good lord! *rolls* eyes. And as for debt. Not everyone who goes to college ends up in debt. Its actually a fallacy to assume everyone does.

 

[scarshapedstar]

No, people are discouraging him to show off, to make themselves better than the rest of us non-4.0ers. I see it all the time on here. Its pretty sickening too because in this forum here we suppose to help others; we are suppose to help people find ways of accomplishing their goals.

My GPA blew but both my MCAT scores were above 30. You gotta at least have a rope to climb out of a hole. With nothing to point to and say "this is your saving grace" it's not necessarily honest or even kind to tell OP that every dream comes true.

If he can take a year off and do nothing but cram for the MCAT and make like a 35, that's a different story. But as it stands... 😕

 

[DrMidlife]

No, people are discouraging him to show off, to make themselves better than the rest of us non-4.0ers. I see it all the time on here. Its pretty sickening too because in this forum here we suppose to help others; we are suppose to help people find ways of accomplishing their goals.

I signed up for no such mission. I am here to find and disseminate factual information, and to be part of the body of opinions from folks who have experience. I have no interest in fluffing a low GPA candidate. I also have no interest in mocking a low GPA candidate.

 

[dmf2682]

So now his bachelors degree is all of sudden worthless because according to you he'll never be able to get into medical school? Good lord! *rolls* eyes. And as for debt. Not everyone who goes to college ends up in debt. Its actually a fallacy to assume everyone does.

I didn't say anything of the sort. I'm just pointing out to the op how unlikely it is that they'll gain admission. To do anything but provide realistic assessments, even if they don't align with complete optimism, is dangerous and irresponsible.

 

[jasin]

I didn't say anything of the sort. I'm just pointing out to the op how unlikely it is that they'll gain admission. To do anything but provide realistic assessments, even if they don't align with complete optimism, is dangerous and irresponsible.

I did not say you said that. If you reread what I posted you would know that. Nevertheless, you did imply that and that is why I asked that question.

 

[jasin]

I didn't say anything of the sort. I'm just pointing out to the op how unlikely it is that they'll gain admission. To do anything but provide realistic assessments, even if they don't align with complete optimism, is dangerous and irresponsible.

Just because you says something is so does not mean its so!!!! You are NOT the dean of admissions and you are certainly NOT God!!

 

[jasin]

If I went through life listening to people like dmf2682 I would be nowhere. I would have accomplished nothing. I would just be a bum or something.

 

[dmf2682]

Just because you says something is so does not mean its so!!!! You are NOT the dean of admissions and you are certainly NOT God!!

Lol calm down there. We can agree to disagree, but I still think I'm right in the op's case. I'm simply providing a realistic opinion here, just as I said. How the op or anyone else interprets that is up to them.

 

[jasin]

I'm simply providing a realistic opinion here, just as I said

Well, I could point out how your opinions are fallacious but I don't want to hurt your ego. 😀

 

[PJ meowerton]

Just because you says something is so does not mean its so!!!! You are NOT the dean of admissions and you are certainly NOT God!!

lol, seriously, people are being realistic, you can lead the OP on as much as you want. Getting in the low 10s on the MCAT after having a gpa of a 2-2.5 shows poor planning and a lack of self awareness. There are so many more qualified applicants. Maybe the OP would make a good doctor, but there are more applicants than spots, plus OP is not even a US citizen, its hard enough getting into an out of state school, I can't imagine how hard it is for someone out of country applying to a US school.

And I can't take anyone seriously who worries about what letters come after their name.

 

[LegendaryPunk]

OP - I'm sorry your topic degraded into this mess; I'm sure it's not what you were looking for or expected when you told us your story. You are free to listen to whoever's advice you want, including calling an actual school to speak with somebody more official than us. Just be wary of dismissing all advice simply because it is not what you want to hear.

 

[jasin]

You're right - people are discouraging him, but for good reason I think. He would have to spend years in school, accumulating debt, just for a sliver of a chance to be accepted at a Caribbean school. Go check out the numerous underdog threads, where you'll find tons of support for those with less than stellar backgrounds. This isn't a board that shoots down every applicant with a sub 4.0 GPA and <35 MCAT.

Furthermore, there is nothing to indicate he would be able to pull off the numbers he needs for this small chance. Saying "I can take an easy degree to get a 4.0" doesn't mean squat.

I won't say that he has a 0% chance, because I have read some awesome underdog stories. But the amount of risk he would be taking on is gigantic.

Do you NOT realize that you just labeled everyone who does not have a 4.0 or close to as dumb and stupid?

 

[jasin]

lol, seriously, people are being realistic, you can lead the OP on as much as you want. Getting in the low 10s on the MCAT after having a gpa of a 2-2.5 shows poor planning and a lack of self awareness. There are so many more qualified applicants. Maybe the OP would make a good doctor, but there are more applicants than spots, plus OP is not even a US citizen, its hard enough getting into an out of state school, I can't imagine how hard it is for someone out of country applying to a US school.

And I can't take anyone seriously who worries about what letters come after their name.

 

[dmf2682]

By all means if you have statistical data showing how some large percentage of applicants with 2.5/10 got in I'd love to see it.

 

[jasin]

By all means if you have statistical data showing how some large percentage of applicants with 2.5/10 got in I'd love to see it.

Statistics can be manipulated to prove just about anything you want...it depends on your sampling, your demographics, the questions asked, how the numbers are filtered or slanted. Spin doctors' stock-in-trade is the manipulation of statistics to sway public opinion.

 

[PJ meowerton]

Statistics can be manipulated to prove just about anything you want...it depends on your sampling, your demographics, the questions asked, how the numbers are filtered or slanted. Spin doctors' stock-in-trade is the manipulation of statistics to sway public opinion.

what about the statistics for the efficacy of certain drugs/procedures/treatments?

Or all research for that matter, do you not believe in research?

why are you so invested in this thread?

 

[SLC]

Statistics can be manipulated to prove just about anything you want...it depends on your sampling, your demographics, the questions asked, how the numbers are filtered or slanted. Spin doctors' stock-in-trade is the manipulation of statistics to sway public opinion.

Show us some manipulated statistics that show that it's possible to get in with a 2.5 and a 10MCAT then. I'll look at it!

I'll wait right here

And you get a die banana in the meantime, simply because I didn't know it existed.

 

[jasin]

@PJ meowerton

Twisting stats is very easy when it comes to medical school acceptance rates.

I know of, for example, a medical school that has a 96% acceptance rate regionally. But only has a 4% acceptance rate nationally. And its that way because they give HIGH preference in acceptance to locals, natives or long time residents of the state.

So If I wanted to be discouraging like dmf2682 and others on here are I could just twist the stats. I could tell a native their acceptance rate is only 4% rather than the regional 96%.

And for this particular medical school I actually seen someone on another forum do just that.Twist the stats exactly in that way.