Would this be in the BCPM?

[momomango]

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This is a real quick question, but would this psyc class be included in our bcpm gpa? Gen Psych:Biological Foundations.

 

[moe_4eva]

psych is not included. BCPM includes only biology, chemistry, physics, and math. Even though the psych is of "biological foundations," it still wouldn't be included.

 

[63768]

not unless it's under a bios categorization.

 

[chickenlittle84]

This information is not correct. Please read the amcas guidelines for classifying course! Course classification is based on CONTENT NOT ON DEPARTMENT, ETC. If your class was more than 50 percent Biology, you may count it as Biology. If the course name looks suspicious, AMCAS may challenge you or change the classification. But it states very clearly that you are supposed to classify based on content, and not based on department, or the name of the course!!! So, yes, you can list this course as Biology if you want, especially since "Biological" is in the title. The worst that will happen is AMCAS will reclassify it, and even then, if you really wanted it to count, you could fill out a change form and present a syllabus to show that it was as a biology course.

 

[Tenacity]

What about engineering classes? They're all physics, math, and chemistry, but they don't count under BCPM.

 

[momomango]

This information is not correct. Please read the amcas guidelines for classifying course! Course classification is based on CONTENT NOT ON DEPARTMENT, ETC. If your class was more than 50 percent Biology, you may count it as Biology. If the course name looks suspicious, AMCAS may challenge you or change the classification. But it states very clearly that you are supposed to classify based on content, and not based on department, or the name of the course!!! So, yes, you can list this course as Biology if you want, especially since "Biological" is in the title. The worst that will happen is AMCAS will reclassify it, and even then, if you really wanted it to count, you could fill out a change form and present a syllabus to show that it was as a biology course.

thank you chickenlittle84!!

 

[cgjock80]

I had biopsychology, which was all about CNS receptor interactions, excluded from BCPM by AMCAS during the verification process.

 

[riceman04]

psych is not included. BCPM includes only biology, chemistry, physics, and math. Even though the psych is of "biological foundations," it still wouldn't be included.

Actually, course content is the determining factor.

For e.g. I took a Statis Psyc class...it was pretty much math...So I was able to list it as MATH

same with a physiology course I took that is part of the Kinesiology dept

 

[riceman04]

not unless it's under a bios categorization.

You were a psyc major at Rice, right?

Did you list your Psyc 339 course as Math (especially since it is cross listed as Stat 339)

Oh yeah...and how did you list that English placement exam that we had to take...it shows up on our transcript...We did not receive a grade for it though...just an E

 

[PreMed4Dummies]

At my school the consensus is that classes listed under the Neuroscience department count in the BCPM while classes under psych are not (well at least this is what my premed advisor tells me...)

but this makes me wonder now.. the class Biological Psychology is listed under the psych dept, so i wonder if my premed advisor will allow me to count that towards BCPM.....

 

[63768]

You were a psyc major at Rice, right?

Did you list your Psyc 339 course as Math (especially since it is cross listed as Stat 339)

haha no, i was a math econ major that took biopsyc for fun. potts was awesome. but that didn't get counted towards my bcpm GPA. 🙁 however, i did have a math econ stat class that was cross listed as econ382 and stat310, so i bet the psyc stat would count as math as well.


and OP, if you click on the help button when you get to the coursework section, it is very helpful in determining what is what. better from the source than us.

 

[scgroat]

I think yourmom is correct. It depends on how the course is listed on AMCAS. I took a behavioral neuroscience course that was cross-listed under psych and bio. Since I listed it under its psych heading (I majored in psych), it did not factor into my bcpm. Had AMCAS researched the course and realized it was an upper-division biology course, they would have certainly factored that C+ into my science gpa.

 

[sylar86]

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[postbacker]

I think yourmom is correct. It depends on how the course is listed on AMCAS. I took a behavioral neuroscience course that was cross-listed under psych and bio. Since I listed it under its psych heading (I majored in psych), it did not factor into my bcpm. Had AMCAS researched the course and realized it was an upper-division biology course, they would have certainly factored that C+ into my science gpa.

But may we conclude that if you had made in "A" in the class, you would have included it in your BCPM and further safely assume that AMCAS would have accepted it...

 

[scgroat]

Sure, an A in the class may have prompted me to convince AMCAS to count it toward my BCPM🙂. Really, though, it only would have been listed as a science class if I had submitted it under its biology heading.

 

[postbacker]

Sure, an A in the class may have prompted me to convince AMCAS to count it toward my BCPM🙂. Really, though, it only would have been listed as a science class if I had submitted it under its biology heading.

The content of the class determines if a course is BCPM, not simply the dept heading - and in your case, the fact that the class is cross-listed under psych and bio further indicates that it was definitely a BCPM course even though you took it under its Psych heading for your own major purposes. You could have only listed it under "Bio" if that is how it had appeared on your transcript, but the fact that it was under "Psych" did not really relieve you of the responsibility to list it under BCPM.

So I hope you can agree that based on AMCAS guidelines, you should have listed it as BCPM...the AMCAS guidelines are pretty clear about this point. AMCAS has bigger fish to fry so I seriously doubt if they have any way of checking this, but who knows...

 

[scgroat]

I listed it as a science course if I remember correctly. Thus the course heading IS why AMCAS did not count it toward my BCPM. Any more questions, or do you want continue to duke it out?

 

[postbacker]

I listed it as a science course if I remember correctly. Thus the course heading IS why AMCAS did not count it toward my BCPM. Any more questions, or do you want continue to duke it out?

I give up. I will let someone else explain the intent of BCPM classification as I understand it on their website and PDF. At least come back in a month or so and let us know if AMCAS included it in your BCPM or not...

 

[scgroat]

I'm looking at my app right now, and AMCAS changed how the courses were listed. Under classification, I put psych, but they changed it to BESS. As for claiming science or nonscience, I don't recall every being able to make a distinction. Therefore, I guess I did not list it as a science, though I did not list any of my classes as such.

 

[scgroat]

AMCAS could have changed their format for this cycle. As for AMCAS' intentions, I agree 100%. I just believe that they don't always have time to doublecheck every single course.

 

[postbacker]

AMCAS could have changed their format for this cycle. As for AMCAS' intentions, I agree 100%. I just believe that they don't always have time to doublecheck every single course.

It seems to me that AMCAS should have a database of course titles for all US colleges and they should establish a standard for course content (is it BCPM or not?) when they analyze transcripts. Whether they have such a database or not, I have no idea, but certainly the data flows through there that would allow for such a database...but since they place such great emphasis on GPA subsets like BCPM, applicants should not be able to "game" the system by hiding science classes under alternate course titles...

Not sure what BESS is, but it sounds like AMCAS caught your Psych class and has reclassified it for BCPM purposes...regardless, you clearly gamed the system but you do not have the balls to 'fess up...

 

[scgroat]

You simply don't get it. It was NOT listed under BCPM for last year's cycle. You're right; they SHOULD have such a database. There was no gaming the system, though.

 

[postbacker]

You simply don't get it. It was NOT listed under BCPM for last year's cycle. You're right; they SHOULD have such a database. There was no gaming the system, though.

No, I got it. You are the one who doesn't get it, but somehow I am not surprised by the revelation that you are a reapplicant...hmmm, imagine that?

 

[scgroat]

What does that have to do with anything. Thankfully, I got in. We all take different paths to get to where we want to be. It does not change the fact that the AMCAS system is not flawless. I reiterate...maybe this year AMCAS asks us to distinguish between science and nonscience. Last year, however, it simply asked for the department. You and your conspiracy theories can lay off. By the way, I'd recommend that you grow up a bit because there are people out there that are smarter and more capable than yourself.

 

[scgroat]

You epitomize what is wrong with studentdoctor. To you, it's always a battle of who has the biggest genitalia, or lack thereof.

 

[postbacker]

What does that have to do with anything. Thankfully, I got in. We all take different paths to get to where we want to be. It does not change the fact that the AMCAS system is not flawless. I reiterate...maybe this year AMCAS asks us to distinguish between science and nonscience. Last year, however, it simply asked for the department. You and your conspiracy theories can lay off. By the way, I'd recommend that you grow up a bit because there are people out there that are smarter and more capable than yourself.

From the AMCAS website:

Course Classification
Each course must be assigned a course classification based entirely on the primary content of the course. See the listing of course classification examples below for guidance in selecting Course Classifications. The Course Classifications below are bolded, and are titled as they appear in the Course Classification drop-down list. Click each Course Classification to open a list of example courses for that classification. The bulleted items beneath each bolded Course Classification are examples of courses for which you should select that bolded Course Classification. You are responsible for selecting the correct Course Classification. However, AMCAS reserves the right to change Course Classifications if the assigned Course Classification clearly does not apply. AMCAS is not responsible for any processing delays or incorrect GPA calculations resulting from incorrect Course Classifications. In addition, AMCAS will not make corrections to course classifications based on information that becomes available after you submit your application.

All of my comments on this matter were based on this official AMCAS information that clearly conflicts with the info you are giving - per AMCAS, it is course content, NOT the dept heading, that determines BCPM status. Furthermore, AMCAS places responsibility on the applicant for making this designation, at least initially, and more verbiage indicates that they may change the classification, etc.

Pretty simple. Glad I could clear up your confusion.

 

[variablistic]

I think yourmom is correct. It depends on how the course is listed on AMCAS. I took a behavioral neuroscience course that was cross-listed under psych and bio. Since I listed it under its psych heading (I majored in psych), it did not factor into my bcpm. Had AMCAS researched the course and realized it was an upper-division biology course, they would have certainly factored that C+ into my science gpa.

I might as well chime in your squabble.

You gamed the system. You said yourself that it's an upper-division biology course. But since it was cross-listed under psych, and you listed it as such, knowing that AMCAS probably wouldn't know, it didn't count against your BCPM.

Congratulations, you tricked AMCAS.

Now quit arguing.

 

[ryandote]

Not sure what BESS is, but it sounds like AMCAS caught your Psych class and has reclassified it for BCPM purposes...

Behavioral, Environmental(?), and Social Sciences. I think it is the default category for psych classes unless you try to squish them into your BCPM because of some serious Stats or Biology content.

 

[medking]

Just a quick question, wat would Greek mythology be categorized as?

 

[variablistic]

Just a quick question, wat would Greek mythology be categorized as?

philosophy, classical studies.. i'm not completely familiar with all the classifications

ultimately, it doesn't really matter too much since it's not a BCPM issue