Would you consider this to be discrimination?

[paintballguy]

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Put me down under the, we need more info to know exactly what this doc meant and it was most likely him telling you to be more humble. I don't know you or this doc, but it seems pretty obvious that he meant to give you constructive criticism as nobody likes a know it all. Even if you DO know it all, just turn it down a bit.

 

[messenger634]

I think one of the main problems in all of this is that third-year evaluations are the most subjective bizarre grading I think many of us will ever have.

What bothers me is that your interaction with patients has virtually nothing to do with the final clinical grade. Not that a patient needs to fill out a form on your anything, but some of your ability to communicate with patients would be nice when considering your final grade. I mean, for most of us that's what we're going to be doing. Is your ability to communicate with patients a subjective measure – absolutely? Does it matter when you're applying to radiology, pathology, and a few other specialties? Certainly not as much.

I do think the field of medicine is changing in this direction – for the better. But I think it's a very very slow change.

 

[messenger634]

Take it from our residents, whom I give automatic respect. One working girl to another. So that before she fades from chasing the dragon inside the fluorescent submarine, for all her waking hours of the week, a survival ethic on the mean streets of medicine, might get passed from her lips as I light her cigarette.

She never once talked about her civil rights.

I once sat in huge grand rounds with all the ceremony for a visiting grand wizard to our priesthood. It was a talk on the conjuring technique of evaluating residents. The opening incantation pertaining to just how amazing the inherent powers of an experienced wizard are at divining the precise magical status of each residents in seconds using The Power of the All-Knowing Eye.

A half joking question was uttered sideways from the wizards mouth as she peered into the frightened heads of all the residents, "how many of you doubt the power of the All-Knowing Eye?" Not a peep. Or a squeak.

Doubting the power of these magical processes is resented with great ferocity by the magical presithood. If you can intervene surreptitiously at some other depersonalized point in the process you might consider it. But even that, you do at your own risk.

The main goal of being a clerk is recruiting support. I can't think of any use of being right outside of being pimped. And even with that there is ego egg shells to be skirted.

Your a gifted writer, and I have played the role of your cigarrette smoking resident. As far as egg shells to be skirted, I look forward to the day where I can stand in front of a group of young wizards, ready to lash out at those who dare tread on my grade A's, because after all the years of schooling and training, I've earned the right to be insecure and silence those who dare make me feel less than who I think I am.

Actually, no, I won't. And everyone around me will be more comfortable and happier for it.😍

 

[valkener]

Then he should have said that. It's just not good habit to get into generalizing people based on broad demographic categories that go outside the environment of the medical hierarchy. And still, I would say that categories and someone based on their age, is not in our society considered as egregious as categories and someone on their race, gender, or sexual orientation – which I understand and for the most part at this time except – though it is still discrimination and should be recognized as such.

Put it this way – if 25 years ago somebody had you need to stop acting like you're gay or something in the final evaluation, nothing would come of it. But today that director could probably be fired.

Most medical students were or are know-it-all's at some point. We're driven people and usually do not lack confidence. It's good to have a reality-check every once in a while, learn from the feedback of others.

One of the biggest dangers to any professional is not accepting feedback. Do not go down that road.

 

[messenger634]

Most medical students were or are know-it-all's at some point. We're driven people and usually do not lack confidence. It's good to have a reality-check every once in a while, learn from the feedback of others.

One of the biggest dangers to any professional is not accepting feedback. Do not go down that road.

I agree.

 

[messenger634]

Looking back over this conversation a few days later, it's a shame how some people can't appreciate others point of view. If you were in this position and you would've heard some of the stuff that definitely wouldn't have bothered you. My sense is that obviously, medical students are worried about their grades and their residency placement and so, so much so that they are willing to put up with a lot to get that.

If you felt that in anyway you were at a disadvantage for that right off the bat you would be certainly upset about it. I had more than one rotation director mentioned to me how it's difficult for residents to get along with medical students older than them. In fact, the Dean basically told me the same thing and said they thought they'd in the past they should invite the nontraditional students in to discuss some of the barriers they will face on the wards being older.

The point is, if you simply look at the definition of discrimination, that's basically what happened in this case.

 

[thepoopologist]

Looking back over this conversation a few days later, it's a shame how some people can't appreciate others point of view. If you were in this position and you would've heard some of the stuff that definitely wouldn't have bothered you. My sense is that obviously, medical students are worried about their grades and their residency placement and so, so much so that they are willing to put up with a lot to get that.

If you felt that in anyway you were at a disadvantage for that right off the bat you would be certainly upset about it. I had more than one rotation director mentioned to me how it's difficult for residents to get along with medical students older than them. In fact, the Dean basically told me the same thing and said they thought they'd in the past they should invite the nontraditional students in to discuss some of the barriers they will face on the wards being older.

The point is, if you simply look at the definition of discrimination, that's basically what happened in this case.

This entire thread is from your point of view. I have no idea what he saw that made him say that.

There is such a thing as metaphor, and people should be allowed to use it, and in this case maybe he should have clarified what he meant. Maybe he wanted you to get into character and be a protoypical medical student. The one that volunteers to do everything, who stays late, who reads a little each night, who defers to authority.

But your reaction to it is way over the top. Just way the hell over the top for a statement that is so vague it could be taken any possible way.

As far as the age discrimination you think happened. Age discrimination would be him telling you, "35 year olds tend to not make the best medical students or the best residents. I'm not letting you deliver this baby because your crotchedy self would drop it. Go stand by the wall."

That said being a medical student sucks and I understand what a mind**** it is. I would've shot every attending that pissed me off if it were legal but sometimes the healthiest thing is to just say **** it and move on.

 

[gumdrops]

At the end of my OB/GYN clerkship, my clerkship director asked me how old I was.

"35" I told him.

He responded by stating: "you need to stop acting like a 35 year old, and start acting more like a medical student."
This appeared to be the only major criticism he had, though I'm certain it severely affected my grade.

Below is the definition from Oxford's Online Dictionary.

1 the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex:
victims of racial discrimination

What if he had said; you need to stop acting like an African-American, or, you need to stop acting like a homosexual? Would that be considered discrimination?

Please answer the poll based on my first question. Thanks

lol, it sounds more like a bad joke than discrimination.

 

[Dharma]

attendings expect naive medical students to suck up to them and validate their narcissism. if you have any real world experience, it is easy to see through the BS and mock it. you need to realize that you will be seen as a threat so sometimes you gotta keep your mouth shut and go through the motions.

👍 best advice here. the kids in the room may not get this, hence the "you need to start acting like a 35 year old" type responses spewed ad nauseum. regardless, stick and stones, ya know? still works years later.

 

[g8orlife]

Understood, so it's hard for me to really even recall what the context was. It made them that I've been having a conversation with one of the attendance where they perceived that I was asking too many questions or debating them on something. To be very candid, I think some people – at least I found a medical school – interpret me to have a strong personality or be almost too comfortable with the environment. And honestly, I think some judgments are made prematurely about me. However, I've never heard anything about me showing up a resident or attending, and I've heard on multiple occasions what a good "team player" I am. For example, I always got yelled at on surgery - way more than anyone I think my classmates would be agree - but by the end of the rotation the residents in the attendings all seemed to really like me.

OP just going off the quote itself it sounds like he's basically telling you to stop thinking you're hot **** just because you're older than most of the other students/residents (and possibly some attendings) and start thinking like a student who realizes that he/she is there to learn stuff from everyone else.

Echoing everyone else, proper context is needed although it seems like we're not gonna get that from you because you're really convinced this was some kind of discrimination.

I can't believe how long it took to get even a tad bit of context for your question (Not sure why, unless you're trying to hide something which would be a dead-giveaway). I think calvnandhobbs likely hit the nail on the head.

I don't think your comparison fits. Comparing race would be us trying to determine if your preceptor was racist. While the preceptor's statement could be applied to almost anyone in the world who is older than people in his/her surroundings and using his/her life experiences as his/her reasoning for why he/she is more correct than others.

I think you should strongly consider why your preceptor made that comment instead of trying to twist it into a problem that he has within himself.

 

[g8orlife]

This entire thread is from your point of view. I have no idea what he saw that made him say that.

There is such a thing as metaphor, and people should be allowed to use it, and in this case maybe he should have clarified what he meant. Maybe he wanted you to get into character and be a protoypical medical student. The one that volunteers to do everything, who stays late, who reads a little each night, who defers to authority.

But your reaction to it is way over the top. Just way the hell over the top for a statement that is so vague it could be taken any possible way.

As far as the age discrimination you think happened. Age discrimination would be him telling you, "35 year olds tend to not make the best medical students or the best residents. I'm not letting you deliver this baby because your crotchedy self would drop it. Go stand by the wall."

Agree with all of this. I feel like OP's either leaving information out of this story, or he/she's waaay overreacting due to not being used to people actually saying things like that to him/her. Either way, the preceptor had a reason for saying that, and I think the best solution would be to talk/email the preceptor and ask why the statement was made in order to learn from the situation and thus be better prepared if a similar situation presents itself in the future.

 

[michaelrack]

Here's the problem with your issue. You are trying to classify age as a group or category equivalent to race, gender and sexual orientation. You can't do that.
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Actually you can do that. However federal anti-discrimination laws apply at age 40 and older (these laws regard employment, I am not sure if they apply to education).

 

[cbrons]

Something like that should probably be reported to student affairs - that is getting into the territory of verbal abuse.

lol

Some people are way too sensitive to deserve any friends or happiness. If a preceptor I had some respect for told me a I was complete ****** and that it was probably because my mom was a drunk (being Irish) while she carried me that I have the brain of an FAS baby, I wouldn't go looking to report them I would just try harder.

 

[deleted307836]

lol

Some people are way too sensitive to deserve any friends or happiness. If a preceptor I had some respect for told me a I was complete ****** and that it was probably because my mom was a drunk (being Irish) while she carried me that I have the brain of an FAS baby, I wouldn't go looking to report them I would just try harder.

The example you describe is obviously meant in jest - that differs from a pattern of personal insults that is probably meant to be belittling instead of humorous, which sounds like it is more the case in the situation the OP described.

 

[Donald Juan]

Thank you -

I just think anyone reading this should imagine themselves in a similar position. Imagine you are from Alabama and a you attend a school in California or something, and you have a conversation with a patient about – I don't know – hunting or whatever they do in Alabama. If in your final evaluation somebody said "you need to stop acting like and Alabaman and start acting more like a medical student "I think you would be very offended by that. No, nothing will happen, but it's a shame that this kind of garbage is tolerated.

If the attending was also a southern good ol' boy and was telling me to stop acting like such a good ol' boy all the time--no. It wouldn't offend me.

For example, I always got yelled at on surgery - way more than anyone I think my classmates would be agree - but by the end of the rotation the residents in the attendings all seemed to really like me.

I don't think this is helping your case...maybe by the end of your surgery rotation the attendings and residents just came to accept that you were the silly old med student you are.

I completely agree with everything you've quoted me on. There are very few people in any field that will act that way. But yes, there are more in medicine that I've ever seen. And the director I discussed above is a perfect example. And yes, I get along very well with my classmates and they've always had a good time with me and appreciated my input on rotations.

This goes back to your underlying feelings and attitude that ultimately comes out: If you were trying to show that you don't think you're automatically better than your peers, the question isn't "do they appreciate you?" but "do you appreciate them and their input?"

It sounds to me like this attending called you out for who you are and you're mad that you don't hide it as well as you think you do. You just rationalize it by saying, "but I'm good with patients!" when you know damn well he wasn't talking about your interaction with patients.

As another older student who worked hard labor and many other jobs before going to college, I find it ironic that you complain about how entitled doctors are more than other groups (a statement that if I was being completely honest I agree with) and then go on to cry discrimination because you get a bad evaluation. Sounds like you fit in just fine.

 

[thefritz]

Regardless of the OPs ability to accept criticism, he needs to report it and get it removed from his record. Personal commentary like that has no business being in an evaluation, and you don't want something like that finding its way into the dean's letter, which it will.

 

[thefritz]

Age discrimination would be him telling you, "35 year olds tend to not make the best medical students or the best residents. I'm not letting you deliver this baby because your crotchedy self would drop it. Go stand by the wall."

Even that's stretching it. Age discrimination is a landlord rejecting the application of a 70 year old woman to rent an apartment on the basis of her age alone - not being told that you need more humility. Even telling someone they shouldn't act "african american" isn't per se discrimination. It's racist for sure, but discrimination would involve denying that person something based on race or age alone and having nothing to do with his actions or words. Discrimination is largely subjective anyway. Intelligence is largely innate. Isn't it discrimination to select the brighter students for admission into medical school? They couldn't choose their IQ any more than they could choose their skin color, sex, physical ability, heritage, sexual orientation, or religious upbringing.

The bottom line is that discrimination is largely permitted on the basis of disability and age in the medical profession because of the nature of the work. The profession frowns on any form of special treatment, and if a school or program is ever forced by law to grant you an accommodation, they'll make sure you have a big asterisk next to your name that follows you for the rest of your career. Anybody that somehow manages to avoid the ****-eating contest that is medical school, whether through disability waivers or a non traditional student with an arrogant attitude of being above having to crawl through it like everyone else, will struggle. The best thing you can do is keep your mouth shut and get through it. Pointing out that you are somehow different and need to be treated specially only leads to trouble, whether it's legitimate or not.

 

[evilbooyaa]

Regardless of the OPs ability to accept criticism, he needs to report it and get it removed from his record. Personal commentary like that has no business being in an evaluation, and you don't want something like that finding its way into the dean's letter, which it will.

Fair point, but I believe this was a verbal eval and would not likely show up in his written eval (and thus in his Dean's letter).

 

[messenger634]

As another older student who worked hard labor and many other jobs before going to college, I find it ironic that you complain about how entitled doctors are more than other groups (a statement that if I was being completely honest I agree with) and then go on to cry discrimination because you get a bad evaluation. Sounds like you fit in just fine.

O

 

[SpecterGT260]

At the end of my OB/GYN clerkship, my clerkship director asked me how old I was.

"35" I told him.

He responded by stating: "you need to stop acting like a 35 year old, and start acting more like a medical student."
This appeared to be the only major criticism he had, though I'm certain it severely affected my grade.

Below is the definition from Oxford's Online Dictionary.

1 the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex:
victims of racial discrimination

What if he had said; you need to stop acting like an African-American, or, you need to stop acting like a homosexual? Would that be considered discrimination?

Please answer the poll based on my first question. Thanks

Grow a pair please.

yeaaapppp.

Im 27 and was told by an oncologist that I seem older. He meant it as a compliment. Maturity isn't a bad thing. Now, if the doc you were with was meaning to imply that you act as if you don't still have a ton to learn.... that would be a problem.

I'm also not super confident in the "and I'm sure this affected my grade" part. Did you do poorly? Do they not give you any specific feedback in writing?

 

[Diagnose]

At the end of my OB/GYN clerkship, my clerkship director asked me how old I was.

"35" I told him.

He responded by stating: "you need to stop acting like a 35 year old, and start acting more like a medical student."
This appeared to be the only major criticism he had, though I'm certain it severely affected my grade.

Below is the definition from Oxford's Online Dictionary.

1 the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex:
victims of racial discrimination

What if he had said; you need to stop acting like an African-American, or, you need to stop acting like a homosexual? Would that be considered discrimination?

Please answer the poll based on my first question. Thanks

It's not like he blatantly said he won't interview you for residency because your too old. Some, Program Directors do this.

Prepare yourself now for dealing with bigoted physician evaluators.

 

[mehc012]

Age is included because it would suck if people got fired/not hired just because they were approaching their retirement. "Age-related behavior" is not a protected class. He's not saying you need to not BE 35, he's saying your attitude is incompatible with the program.

 

[SpecterGT260]

Age is included because it would suck if people got fired/not hired just because they were approaching their retirement. "Age-related behavior" is not a protected class. He's not saying you need to not BE 35, he's saying your attitude is incompatible with the program.

I like your avatar.

That is all I have to say at this time 👍

 

[michaelrack]

" "Age-related behavior" is not a protected class."

Are you sure about that?? What about "black-related behavior" or "female-related behavior" (I am not claiming that those things exist, just like I am not claiming that age-related behavior exists).

 

[jlescher]

Your preceptor is a bad teacher because the comment was essential useless. Or maybe they are hoping you contact them so they can have a "come to jesus talk" with you. I don't know. Stop asking us if it was discrimination and ask him/her why they wrote that in your report so you can resolve the problem and learn from it. Despite the comment lacking any useful details, there is a reason s/he wrote that.

 

[username456789]

" "Age-related behavior" is not a protected class."

Are you sure about that?? What about "black-related behavior" or "female-related behavior" (I am not claiming that those things exist, just like I am not claiming that age-related behavior exists).

You're making the same ridiculous and flawed analogy as the OP.

To even call into question whether "age related behavior" exists borders on idiotic (or trolling).

 

[michaelrack]

You're making the same ridiculous and flawed analogy as the OP.

To even call into question whether "age related behavior" exists borders on idiotic (or trolling).

"age-related behavior" exists (I worded it poorly because I made the mistake of including race-which is in a different category- in my post). However, just try explaining to a jury that you fired someone not because they are old or female, but because they are "acting old" or "acting female".

 

[Medstart108]

At the end of my OB/GYN clerkship, my clerkship director asked me how old I was.

"35" I told him.

He responded by stating: "you need to stop acting like a 35 year old, and start acting more like a medical student."
This appeared to be the only major criticism he had, though I'm certain it severely affected my grade.

Below is the definition from Oxford's Online Dictionary.

1 the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex:
victims of racial discrimination

What if he had said; you need to stop acting like an African-American, or, you need to stop acting like a homosexual? Would that be considered discrimination?

Please answer the poll based on my first question. Thanks

I wouldn't say its discrimination, I'd say there is an underlying issue they had with you and they used your age to express it. They weren't picking on you because you were 35, they picked on your age because maybe you aren't respectful enough, maybe you are arrogant?

 

[Lokhtar]

The fact that we are debating it means whoever evaluated you is terrible at their job. That critisism is meaningless and could be interpreted in so many different ways. Not open to new ideas? Not being deferential enough? Not putting in the same number of hours? Maybe you were arrogant? Maybe you like 80s rap? Maybe you think Kelly Kapowski from Saved by the Bell is hotter than Taylor Swift? It means nothing. Your preceptor should have been more specific on his expectations for medical students, and which of those things you could have done better.

 

[Mr Avante]

You were given professional advice in the sense that you should stop behaving like a chatty/stuck up/melodramatic adult and ready your student mindset.

 

[mimelim]

The fact that we are debating it means whoever evaluated you is terrible at their job. That critisism is meaningless and could be interpreted in so many different ways. Not open to new ideas? Not being deferential enough? Not putting in the same number of hours? Maybe you were arrogant? Maybe you like 80s rap? Maybe you think Kelly Kapowski from Saved by the Bell is hotter than Taylor Swift? It means nothing. Your preceptor should have been more specific on his expectations for medical students, and which of those things you could have done better.

Or OP doesn't understand how to ask for explanation or asked and simply didn't like the answer. People say things all the time and when taken out of context don't make sense. Maturity is a big issue on the wards. Practicing medicine is as much about communication as it is about science as is being a part of a team. It is impossible without more information to understand this interaction.

All I can go by is what the OP has said in this thread. Given the absurdity of his comparisons and general, "the world isn't being PC so they all must be evil" attitude, it is hard to imagine there isn't a bigger issue at play here.

 

[e30ftw]

Judging by the content of your post, I'm surprised your clerkship director mistook anything you ever said or did as "acting like a 35 year old."

lol

 

[Lokhtar]

You were given professional advice in the sense that you should stop behaving like a chatty/stuck up/melodramatic adult and ready your student mindset.

Usually adults and students behave completely the opposite of what you're describing...

 

[Donald Juan]

Okay Mr. hard labor.

You know why my login is messenger? Because I was a bicycle messenger for seven years.

You know what I love to do when I have free time? I like to go to post comments on message boards, acting like I know everything, and ending my comments with little passive aggressive jabs. I average about 20 posts a year on this board, while you average about 10 times that – I guess you're spending a lot of free time at your computer the last couple years, enlightening future colleagues with your wisdom.

Bravo sir! 🙂

Wtf are you talking about? I hope you're not implying I was being passive aggressive. I think you're a big freaking baby. You give a bad name to every student that is nontraditional and older. I thought I was clear before.

 

[Siggy]

I see both sides here.

On one side, age is a protected class - just like race or gender. Technically you aren't supposed to discriminate because of age. (edit: I guess age isn't a protected class until you hit 40)

Age is a protected class. Maturity isn't, however. Unfortunately, we're believed that those two are supposed to correlate. They don't.

 

[orthoengie1315]

Thank you -

I just think anyone reading this should imagine themselves in a similar position. Imagine you are from Alabama and a you attend a school in California or something, and you have a conversation with a patient about – I don't know – hunting or whatever they do in Alabama. If in your final evaluation somebody said "you need to stop acting like and Alabaman and start acting more like a medical student "I think you would be very offended by that. No, nothing will happen, but it's a shame that this kind of garbage is tolerated.

Ok, so what about the opposite to original age-range: "stop acting like a teenager and start acting like a medical student". There are certain things that a relatively mature 35-year-old adult would do that a (traditional) medical student would never think of doing. I can't think of specific things right now, but I know from interacting with the non-trad 30s and 40s students at my school that they are more comfortable with themselves than my fellow 20-something colleagues.

You should be able to respond to feedback directly on your evals, so I would follow that up and ask for clarification. Be sure to stress that you are trying to learn from his feedback, and not trying to argue with him to get him to change it (unless you are, but still stress you are trying to learn from it and improve...).

 

[Taels]

Maybe he wanted you to have humility. Maybe you were acting like an old experienced man while you knew just as much as your collegues. So maybe he wanted you to put yourself in a place of learning.

Maybe... because I wasn't there.

 

[messenger634]

Of course, the most important thing – and you should be willing to do whatever it takes to get this – is to get into the best residency program you get into. And that means making sure that you get along with as many people as possible. Because the approval of others, not just most but all of them in the field of medicine, is incredibly important to all of us here. We must make sure that we are behaving not appropriately – but we are perceived to be behaving appropriately and as expected, especially to those fill out our evaluations. Note that it is the perception, more than the reality that is important. They must look at us and know that we have great respect for them, that we know we are subordinate to them. If they incompetent, if they lie to us, if they treat us poorly, if we ever feel like we are not getting what we pay for, we must accept it because the great goal of the best residency program we can get into takes precedent above all others. If they feel anyway that we do not appreciate the hierarchy that we are at or near the bottom of, right down to the way we knod our heads and say hello in the morning, then we must do the best we can to mitigate that. Again, this type of feedback will be helpful for us as we continue our way toward the best residency program we can get into, and be colleagues in the field and institution of medicine. We must make sure we are approved by all, not just most - and it is based on the perception, more than the reality. And it is based on the attending's and the residents, not the patients.

 

[username456789]

Of course, the most important thing – and you should be willing to do whatever it takes to get this – is to get into the best residency program you get into. And that means making sure that you get along with as many people as possible. Because the approval of others, not just most but all of them in the field of medicine, is incredibly important to all of us here. We must make sure that we are behaving not appropriately – but we are perceived to be behaving appropriately and as expected, especially to those fill out our evaluations. Note that it is the perception, more than the reality that is important. They must look at us and know that we have great respect for them, that we know we are subordinate to them. If they incompetent, if they lie to us, if they treat us poorly, if we ever feel like we are not getting what we pay for, we must accept it because the great goal of the best residency program we can get into takes precedent above all others. If they feel anyway that we do not appreciate the hierarchy that we are at or near the bottom of, right down to the way we knod our heads and say hello in the morning, then we must do the best we can to mitigate that. Again, this type of feedback will be helpful for us as we continue our way toward the best residency program we can get into, and be colleagues in the field and institution of medicine. We must make sure we are approved by all, not just most - and it is based on the perception, more than the reality. And it is based on the attending's and the residents, not the patients.

Jesus, for someone who claims to have such worldly experience in the workforce, you really seem not to understand that, for better or for worse, this is how things work, and you and your guns a-blazin' attitude aren't gonna be the impetus for change.

Start acting like a 35 year old.

 

[SpecterGT260]

or asked and simply didn't like the answer.

There could be something to this...

 

[messenger634]

Jesus, for someone who claims to have such worldly experience in the workforce, you really seem not to understand that, for better or for worse, this is how things work, and you and your guns a-blazin' attitude aren't gonna be the impetus for change.

Start acting like a 35 year old.

I would like to thank those who have sent me private messages supporting my opinion on this, and who also recognize that it is worse in medicine than most other places.

At this point, I could care less what anybody on the student doctor forum says. As you can see I never posted here very much until a few weeks ago when I tried seeing what people's thoughts were on this. I love it when some anonymous blowhard starts posting his/her thoughts on just how it is. With that, I'm out of this discussion, and have better things to do than hang out on a message board.

 

[username456789]

I would like to thank those who have sent me private messages supporting my opinion on this, and who also recognize that it is worse in medicine than most other places.

At this point, I could care less what anybody on the student doctor forum says. As you can see I never posted here very much until a few weeks ago when I tried seeing what people's thoughts were on this. I love it when some anonymous blowhard starts posting his/her thoughts on just how it is. With that, I'm out of this discussion, and have better things to do than hang out on a message board.

👍 see ya! Better luck on the next rotation.

 

[evilbooyaa]

I would like to thank those who have sent me private messages supporting my opinion on this, and who also recognize that it is worse in medicine than most other places.

At this point, I could care less what anybody on the student doctor forum says. As you can see I never posted here very much until a few weeks ago when I tried seeing what people's thoughts were on this. I love it when some anonymous blowhard starts posting his/her thoughts on just how it is. With that, I'm out of this discussion, and have better things to do than hang out on a message board.

Too cool for SDN.

Start acting like a 35 year old.

Based off your posts, I wouldn't want to work with you if you hold ONLY this cynical of a view of the entire medical profession. Sure, some attendings are way too old-school and teach you incorrect things, but mostly the attendings I've worked with keep up with recent literature. Sorry your experience wasn't the same (or you didn't think it was the same). I've had many a classmate think their attending was doing something wrong without looking at why he/she was doing it.