WW OITNB 2 - Game Thread

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swingnsave said:
FFS you guys. I'm just copy-pasting what I sent allie.. which was over 4 hours ago...



"Hey allie,
Just caught up in the thread. Wish someone would've tagged me so I could explain earlier. Anyway, the only reason I'm PMing you is because I would rather not out everything completely on the thread quite yet. I am Piper Chapman, an alpha villager. I have multiple abilities: seering, protecting (myself or another player), blocking, reviving, killing and "converting". I have mainly been using the seering bit since I have one kill avoidance at night. I had 3 kills to use. I have one left. My "conversion" is a player I had to choose within the first 3 days of the game. When I die, my abilities will be passed on to them and yes, this person is still alive.
Here were my actions.
N1: seer cyndia
N2: seer allie
N3: seer devyn
N4: seer jam
N5: kill DVMD
N6: kill Sandy
N7: seer TRH
N8: seer WTF diverted to docE
Any questions? I am an open book now.
Still don't want to share my kill avoidance in case the wolves try to attempt to kill me so please avoid mentioning that part if you feel necessary to discuss my role on the thread."
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dyachei said:
Jam can redirect someone's action. so for instance if you were a seer and targeting wtf, she could redirect you to seer bats instead.

she redirected swings twice now. the first time was to trh. trh died. yesterday Twas to you. shes convinced swings is wolf or chaos and she got a cryptic message in her night results. thats why she thinks you were converted. im sorry you havent been following that.
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We have an interesting conflict here well. Dy said Jam redirected swings to TRH and TRH died, but swings said she was already targeting TRH as a seer suspect with no mention that diversion was suggested.
 
Lupin21 said:
We have an interesting conflict here well. Dy said Jam redirected swings to TRH and TRH died, but swings said she was already targeting TRH as a seer suspect with no mention that diversion was suggested.
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I was not informed by the mods that I was diverted when steering TRH. I'm guessing they didn't mention it since she was already my choice. And last night miss didn't give me a name only that my protection diverted and thus my kill avoidance was used to save me.
 
Seering* not steering
Mods* not miss

Stupid autocorrect
 
How do we know that Jam isn't just constantly redirecting swings' actions to whomever the wolves are going to kill to incriminate her? Diverting actions when you don't what everyone's abilities are seems more dangerous than helpful to me.
 
OG so dumb he Probly fell down a hole somewhere.

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SOV IS ALWAYS RIGHT

SOV IS ALWAYS RIGHT

<falls to ground muttering nonsense>

BTW, BI was killed in the "clean" manner (i realize face punching isnt truly clean, but in the trend). So I would very much doubt a prisoner killed BI. More likely someone who outside of the prison scene. But thats on my personal trend ive seen of always 1 clean kill and one improvised/jailhouse-style kill.

but SOV. He wouldnt do that. No no no. SOV is always right.

(I sort of mailed this one in)
 
SOV... the always right one... he spoke to me. He told me he was always right. Hahaha. He did. He also reminded me that I know piper. I know her well. I've made her see heaven and brought her down to hell with me to party. We're tight. So if she is a wolf; she either is or isnt. But its NOT because of her powers. Thats the pipes I've always known from day 1. She looks like an angel but she stings like the repressed little killer wasp she is. Just because you expect her to be a pure angel doesnt mean she hasnt smuggled a 50 kilos of cocaine into the country for me and gone on a bender to celebrate. Just because you want her to be pure doesnt mean that she cant be a goody two shoes and have some tricks up her sleeves from the moment we all met. So if she went rogue, its not because she is doing something unexpected, every thing she does seems totally expected to me. Its the pipes I know.

What I'm not feeling is that santeria chola always getting in the way of my little blondie doing what she needs to do.

Thats right SOV told me it all. And you should listen. Cause SOV is always right.
 
Lupin21 said:
Hey @swingnsave , just a quick question for you. Why didn't you try to kill hedgie? You managed to kill two other wolves it seems, so why not try on hedgie?
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I honestly didn't want to waste a kill. I'm guessing Hedgie can't be killed until all other wolves are killed or maybe her protector if she has one. It was mentioned in 2 different write ups that someone had tried to kill/attack hedgie and both were unsuccessful. I suppose could try tonight if you all request.

Also, ###lynch kaydubs###
She's the one giving out shots. Doesn't seem like a villager ability.. That's all I got.

Back to adopting out dogs that will probably be returned after Christmas. People frustrate me.
 
ameropean_chelsea said:
Lynch 'em allll awww yeahh. Chug a dug a chug hchugggg
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I'm actually all for this.

As is SOV. Have I mentioned he is always right about bloodshed? He is always right about *everything*. SOV told me that if I was for lynching them all I'd be always right as well.
 
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WildZoo said:
"Nobody's here because Tis a holiday" lynch
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***********
"Only an EM doctor would be at work and bored enough to still be playing today" lynch.
************
(thats not on topic. SOV cant be right off topic. Can he? Can he be always right about everything? I guess he is always right)
 
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Well. I think we need to solve this issue between Jam and swings. one of them is highly likely a wolf, because either the action of swings is killing and it was switched twice to people who have died, or jam is setting her up and the people being targeted by her are being killed to set swings up. I don't think that both of them are villagers and twice the wolves have just happened to kill the people jam adjusted swing's target to.
 
Lupin21 said:
Well. I think we need to solve this issue between Jam and swings. one of them is highly likely a wolf, because either the action of swings is killing and Twas switched twice to people who have died, or jam is setting her up and the people being targeted by her are being killed to set swings up. I don't think that both of them are villagers and twice the wolves have just happened to kill the people jam adjusted swing's target to.
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i agree.
 
What confuses me is that swings said it was her protection ability that got switched last night and bi still died. I mean ok, bi was a little squirreltailed scrap of backfat but still.
 
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Lupin21 said:
Well. I think we need to solve this issue between Jam and swings. one of them is highly likely a wolf, because either the action of swings is killing and Twas switched twice to people who have died, or jam is setting her up and the people being targeted by her are being killed to set swings up. I don't think that both of them are villagers and twice the wolves have just happened to kill the people jam adjusted swing's target to.
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SOV, the master of correctness, accessed a tiny part of my brain last night and reminded me of what I keep reminding all of you to remind yourselfs <gets dizzy and passes out>

That there is a very clear "clean kill" each night that comes with a note. What the notes mean? IDK. We should ask SOV, he is always right.
And there is a very clear "improvised" kill each night without a note.
And we've seen almost conclusively that the "chaos gets a kill" idea is wrong, and that two wolfpacks that are both red is more and more likely with every passing round.

TRH died clean and with a note
BI died by an improvised kill and with no note.

Seems like different people did them.

I want to float a theory here. I dont mind Jam dying. I really dont. Jam is putting the pressure on my girl who I've known was a villager with these abilities since day one. And Jam was so damn certain I was a wolf convert the other day, and you're just gonna have to take my word on it that her opinion there is totally nonsense too. (and she STILL hasnt explained what "other info" she had that she added with her misdirection that made her think I was a wolf. Just keeps making vague allusions to it).

But SOV told me that if I keep on trying I might be right as often as him, which is always. And I really want to point out two other people right now.

WTF: Who is Janae. Is highly likely to be an autoconvert since Taystee was too and she is much more a part of the vee crew than taystee was. Also she is rubbing me 8 different kinds of the wrong way. I told her all about swings and how I've known about swings and most of her powers since very early on and that nothing that she had been accused of, except for being a wolf, surprised me at all since thats been her powers from day 1 when she was a villager. Despite this WTF kept pushing me to turn on my little piper and kept being stuck that someone with those powers couldnt be a villager (when I told her they were). Also re-reading the last couple pages she is totally egging jamrockin on and called out jamrockin to step up to the mic (so to speak) a second time (more on that in a minute) to accuse swings

Dyachei: Is Howard Bloom. Threw it out their earlier that it looks a lot like there are outsiders doing the kills. Howard bloom does actually seem pretty benign, but the benign-ness and the wolfi-ness arent lining up in this game. Instead it seems like outsiders (apparently polly excepted) are wolves. Something I cannot stress enough that we have been ignoring. Well go and re-read the last few pages. Dyachei basically constructed this entire thing herself by calling out jamrockin multiple times to take credit for incriminating swings. And when it lost steam when I came on here and flipped a ****, it was dyachei who came back hard to re-ignite it. Not jamrockin.

While I have no issue with jamrockin getting lynched, I want these two to be strongly considered because they were the ones driving the debate yesterday and there is a awesome theory out there that perhaps jamrockin is moving swings to wherever the wolves strike. By the same token the next level could be a wolf whispering in jam's ear (whether that ear is furry or human) so that she takes the fall and that wolf continues to live. That's personally how I run this sort of stuff when I'm a wolf. I always have a villager ready to take the fall if I do something ballsy.

Either way, something is really not making sense given what I know about swings and our complimentary roles. And pushing swings towards the scene of the crime would make sense. I just dont know if the wolf is straight forward or next level.
 
And the conversion thing, I just.......it doesn't sound right. Picking someone to pass on your abilities too isnt really converting.....although that might just be me and semantics.

I mean ffs in the season 2 trailer (I've been watching them in an attempt to at least get somewhat know the story better) piper even refers to herself, "I am a lone wolf and I am vicious."

But I can't make it all fit 100%. I'm trying to think of what the mods would do.

Doc e what chu doing at work you halfsssed sassypants. Go find that little model. I brought my concerns to you and we discussed them. Just because I am not automatically taking your opinion and info as proof does not make me grow fur.
 
Lupin21 said:
Yeah, swings definitely has more flags up for me. I just hate to lynch Piper if I am wrong.
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SOV is always right
I'm 95% sure I know what happened
SOV is always right
But I'm awaiting swings to confirm nothing changed since we had last talked
SOV is always right
Swings protected herself, something she can do a limited amount of times. The protection got redirected away from her, and she didnt find out who is was directed to, only that it was used up and cant be used again. We have to take jamrockin's word on who it was sent to. But it was clearly not sent to BI, who died. Seems like a framejob to me, but I work under the assumption (based on my damn role) that piper cant be a wolf. Like... I'd know and have a fun decision to make as far as I understand my own role.
 
WhtsThFrequency said:
And the conversion thing, I just.......it doesn't sound right. Picking someone to pass on your abilities too isnt really converting.....although that might just be me and semantics.

I mean ffs in the season 2 trailer (I've been watching them in an attempt to at least get somewhat know the story better) piper even refers to herself, "I am a lone wolf and I am vicious."

But I can't make it all fit 100%. I'm trying to think of what the mods would do.

Doc e what chu doing at work you halfsssed sassypants. Go find that little model. I brought my concerns to you and we discussed them. Just because I am not automatically taking your opinion and info as proof does not make me grow fur.
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It's not because of that. I wanted you dead rounds ago for being janae. You just severely hurt any sliver of trust you had with the way you carried yourself in the PM. Its not proof its feels.

And to prove it, I'll let SOV the all knowing rectify something for me:

SOV knows everything and unlynches WTF
SOV is always right and lynches Dyachei for me

Sometimes its a matter of "certain roles must die". Even more so than the person at the heart of the controversy (jamrockin), the outsiders need to go so we can see if even a single outsider is not a wolf.
 
DocEspana said:
Tis not because of that. I wanted you dead rounds ago for being janae. You just severely hurt any sliver of trust you had with the way you carried yourself in the PM.
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I personally dont give two crap s how much you trust me. I'm trying to put forth what I think is a very workable theory and you are refusing to even consider it.
 
WhtsThFrequency said:
I personally dont give two crap s how much you trust me, lol. I'm trying to put forth what I think is a very workable theory and you are refusing to even consider it.
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ehhh gonna sit on this info. Worst case scenario WTF saw it briefly. Still dont get how you guys dont find that "every single outsider we've lynched has been a wolf" to be interesting at all?

SOV stuff x3
 
WhtsThFrequency said:
And the conversion thing, I just.......it doesn't sound right. Picking someone to pass on your abilities too isnt really converting.....although that might just be me and semantics.

I mean ffs in the season 2 trailer (I've been watching them in an attempt to at least get somewhat know the story better) piper even refers to herself, "I am a lone wolf and I am vicious."

But I can't make it all fit 100%. I'm trying to think of what the mods would do.

Doc e what chu doing at work you halfsssed sassypants. Go find that little model. I brought my concerns to you and we discussed them. Just because I am not automatically taking your opinion and info as proof does not make me grow fur.
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i dont trust swings. at all. and doce has been subtly gunning for me from the get go. i still would rather lynch swings and jam has known who i am and my abilities for a while. i dunno. if shes a wolf, she has fooled me.

it makes no sense to me that every outsider would be a wolf based on the show. doce keeps throwing that out there. even if i werent howard bloom, id think it unlikely
 
Why would it be worst case scenario?

My theory with swings does not include conversion, so everything you said about that is moot. My theory is that she is and has been a lone wolf from day 1, and since you just admitted you have no written proof she is a villager, only that she is linked to you, that doesn't fly in the face of what I think STL and WZ, those skanky little squirrels, cooked up for us here.
 
dyachei said:
you wont be able to lynch jam today. i think i'd rather try swings
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Let me then spell this out. The only way to kill me is to lynch swings. I'm not letting that happen because I have proof she hasnt been converted (otherwise I would be and I'm not) and near proof that she didnt start as a lone wolf. But if you do lynch swings I die with her immediately. So I'm not gonna be okay with this since I am an unkillable unconvertable villager. Im sort of nice to have around for numbers sake. This whole think f***ing reeks of two wolves playing a third villager and the three of them advancing a f***ing mindlessly stupid story GIVEN SHES BEEN SEERED and WE ALREADY KILLED THE UNSEERABLE WOLF.
sov is great
sov is always right
all hail @StartingoverVet

I'm getting lazy i know. but im about to go to a christmas party.
 
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