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HELLO TO EVERYBODY


IM PLANNING TO START MEDICAL SCHOOL AT XOCHICALCO UNIV. IN MEXICO
THIS AUGUST. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME SOMETHING ABOUT THE PLACE? IVE NEVER BEEN THERE BEFORE AND IM A LITTLE NERVOUS. ANY INFO YOU CAN GIVE WILL BE VERY APPRECIATED.
THANKS.
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nope
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if it a MEDICAL UNIVERSITY
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I attended the Ensenada Campus of C.E.U. Xochicalco from 1985-1989, did a 5th yr rotating internship at ISSSTECALI in Tijuana and a 6th yr Social Service in Sonora.
I passed the ECFMG and FLEX and the 1st try, did FP residency in NYC and have worked in Florida for 10 years. I worked my ass off, didn't go to night clubs and leaned to speak Spanish extremely well.
 

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I attended the Ensenada Campus of C.E.U. Xochicalco from 1985-1989, did a 5th yr rotating internship at ISSSTECALI in Tijuana and a 6th yr Social Service in Sonora.
I passed the ECFMG and FLEX and the 1st try, did FP residency in NYC and have worked in Florida for 10 years. I worked my ass off, didn't go to night clubs and learned to speak Spanish Extremely well.
 

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The medical text books are essentially the same ones used in the US. You simply need to read and learn them all from cover to cover. You can not depend on professors to prepare you, spoon fed, to pass the USMLE. Do not assume that becase you are able to earn perfect scores on exams in a foreign school, that you will pass the USMLE. In fact, I recommend taking the Stanley Kaplan review course in San Diego after completion of the 2nd academic year and then sitting immediately for Part1. Do not wait to take part1 2 years later after completion of the 4th year of clinical rotations. Get an apartment close to school and share with a serious spanish speaking student. There are plenty of rentals besides the ones the school has next door if yo speak enough spanish to read and inquire in the local classifieds.
 

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do not go. you will have many problems especially if you do not speak spanish. make sure your documents are perfect. no class is in english. no class translation is available. you will have a very hard time.
 

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There adminitration is centralized, that means that only one person or maybe two take all the decisions there, already been there. So take my word for it there a lot more cheaper and pro student universities than Xochicalco, they will extort you for money and will delay and make your life msierable if you are not on their good side. If you have any financial problem they will not help you out, basically you get the feeling is a "cash making" school, always with the "money upfront" attitude that bothers me. If you need to god to Mexico, stay with the UAG, Guadalajara. But if you can go to Ross or St George, just anywhere but there.

The problem is they are not a pro student school, tehy dont care for the problems of their students nor are they willing to help them out finishing the med degree. It is not like you are at a Univeristy in the States where you matter and officials are willing to help you out.
 
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I'm also going to the Ensenada campus of Xochicalco Univ. The place is really pretty and I've already heard horror stories about some of the teachers, but that's the same for every school. If you haven't gotten your registration process done then do it IMMEDIATELY or you might not get in, that includes paying the registration fee, that's what reserves your spot at the school. The requirements are a validation of you passing high school, taking the entrance exam (pretty easy, it's like the SAT almost, it might even BE the SAT) it consists of half spanish and half math, i recomment that you start reading a spanish dictionary and brushing up on your algebra and geometry, you can request a study guide from them and you have to solicit admission online, here's the link; (just copy paste it) http://www.xochicalco.edu.mx/nueva/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=574

If you have any questions just shoot me an E-mail, I literally just finished my own admissions process on the 19th of June so ask away. And if you decide to go to Xochicalco and get in then I'll see you come August!
P.S. I have REALLY good spanish
 

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Like somebody said before, this school is a money-making-machine. They don't care about you but your money. If you ever need something from them they will first check your balance to see if you owe them anything before helping you.

Why should you believe what I'm saying? Well, I attended that school for one and a half year until I had enough of it and decided to quit.

Professors are REALLY bad. They often forget what they are teaching or they often give you the material erroneously (sometimes you or other med students end correcting them). Some of them are students that just recently graduated from there and went teaching so go figure.

Labs are totally under-equipped and badly maintained.

You have very little amphitheater (cadaver) practice time and that's only until you have reached the 4th semester.

Very little surgical practices too. You just operate on a tiny rabbit ONCE (this is different from the many rabbits, frogs and dogs you kill, yea KILL, in the physiology lab) in the 4 years you study there.

You can easily have good grades by doing easy essays and power point presentations because those essays and presentations have a weigh of 40-60% of your grade while the rest is divided between the written exam (50-30%) and 10% participation or attendance. So if you like to study hard and really learn the material you will get highly disappointed to see that your fellow classmates, with a very aesthetically pleasant power point presentation and 30 minutes of studying prior to the exam, will get them further than your 4 days of hard studying.

And now that we are speaking about exams, ALMOST ALL of your fellow classmates CHEAT in those exams in so many ways you wouldn't have ever imagined. They even do so in the face of the teacher (most of those teachers don't really care if you cheat or not, some of them even laugh at it when a student is caught red handed). And if you try to denounce this, you will find deaf ears and a very angry group of fellow classmates when they learn that you blew the whistle.

Even with all the cheating going on people still fail to pass classes and so they have to take second chance exams (called extraordinary exams) which sometimes they fail again and have to re-take the class. If they pass these second chance exams they are allowed to continue even if they just barely passed them. I'm telling you this because I want you to realize, that those students that barely made it to the next course after cheating and taking a second chance exam, will be out later on attending a real person. So imagine what kind of medical service will those persons give? In other words, this school is playing with people's lives with out any regards to it.

Teachers also have favoritism to some students. This means that if you manage to make friends with a professor, or you are a girl and a male professor considers you attractive, you wont have any problems passing his or her class with little or no effort.

On the other hand, if you are hated or not liked by a professor you will have a very hard time trying to pass the class.

They have a unique curriculum made in such a way that if you decide to quit their school you wont be able to transfer the classes you took to another school be it in the U.S. or in Mexico itself because of this non-standard system.

I discussed all of those issues directly with the director of the school of medicine and he just totally ignored me. He said, in his own words, that "this is the way the school works and if you don't like it you can quit." And so I did.

After that, I decided to study hard on my own to get acceptance at WAY more prestigious university which I successfully did, and what a difference!!!

The only thing I regret was not doing that earlier in first semester when things started to look disappointing.

So if you are considering this school to get your medical education, please look elsewhere. It is a big waste of time, effort, and money. Unless of course the only thing you are looking for is to get your medical degree with as little effort as possible and without lerning, in which case this is the school for you.
 
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For some reason, I cannot PM anybody to ask them about their experience at Xochicalco medical school. My wife and I are thinking about attending this school soon. Can students only start there in August? How much math was really on the entrance exam? (I suck at math, but do well at most everything else including science, as long as no math is required). I am graduating from college with a BA in liberal studies in december. My wife does not have a HS diploma, but has attended some college and also graduated from massage therapy school. If she gets a GED, will Xochicalco recognize that for admission? Is their program 4 or 5 years? If I plan on practicing only in the States, do I have to do Mexico's social service requirement? Is the school air conditioned (sorry, im from las vegas and this is important to me). I speak fluent spanish, have lived in tijuana before for almost 3 years, and other parts of mexico for another 2.5 years. My wife is from Mexico City. please post in the thread or just pm me with any and all information regarding americans attending xochicalco.
thanks!
 
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My wife and I visited Xochicalco this past Monday for a tour of the campus and to learn more about it. After our visit, we started researching online for references from students who have studied there and since taken the USMLE and continued with a residency program in the U.S. Admissions requirements: they have a standardized test, called the "College Board" which is similar to an SAT; the math is basic algebra, some geometry, and logic / word problems. There are some additional requirements tied to U.S. requirements for providing loans to pay for school, but if you don't go that route, then I don't think you need to meet all those addtl requirements. Program is 5 years + 1 year of social service. All 6 years are required to get your degree, and your degree is essential to move forward with applying to take the USMLE. No air conditioning, but you will probably be cold. The whole weekend, I don't think the temperature was over 70 degrees. The climate is very mild due to the Pacific Ocean. Hope that helps!

This school is well located for us, since we live in Los Angeles. But my wife isn't convinced yet that she will attend there primarily based on the feedback that we have received so far in this and other similar forums.
 
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1- Can students only start there in August? How much math was really on the entrance exam? (I suck at math, but do well at most everything else including science, as long as no math is required).

2- I am graduating from college with a BA in liberal studies in december. My wife does not have a HS diploma, but has attended some college and also graduated from massage therapy school. If she gets a GED, will Xochicalco recognize that for admission?

3- Is their program 4 or 5 years? If I plan on practicing only in the States, do I have to do Mexico's social service requirement?
1- I don't know about that. Most med schools at least in Mexico City start at two different times of the year: January or August. The entrance exam is so easily you don't even need to study for it. I didn't even bother to study for the exam and got in easily on my first try. The exam requires more spanish grammar than math anyways. The math is junior high school level. If you got a high school degree, you will easily pass this exam.

2- It's more than likely more worthwhile to get a mexican version of the GED instead of the US GED diploma. Some universities in Mexico don't accept US HS diplomas, you must get a mexican equivalent. There's a mexican version of the GED exam, but I don't know where you must take it or which website you must go to. You probably know by now that with the exception of maybe the UAG school, you don't need a licenciatura degree to enter med school in Mexico.

3- Each school has their own curricula which makes changing schools halfway very difficult because you won't be able to revalidate most subjects, but in this sense most mexican med schools are similar in length: 4 years of med school, 1 year of internship and 1 year social service.

You can't escape the internship because it's part of your school curricula and you will be graded depending on your performance and you can't run away from the social service because it's an obligatory requirement of the mexican government if you ever want to get a cedula profesional (mexican working license number).

I find the idea of a social service lasting 1 entire year to be ridiculous for people going to private med schools. I can understand if you went to med school 100% FREE because you're giving something back to the government that kindly paid for your education, but it's ridiculous that people that paid med school from their own pockets to give back to the government that's too cheap to hire more MD's to fill out the job positions. But that's how things work here asi que pues ni modo. I'm almost done with my social service, time goes insanely fast.

I don't know anything about this specific school you're asking about, I only know the Mexico City schools. Since you have intentions of going to the US, why not give a US med school a shot first? You'll graduate in 4 years instead of 6 (at the cost of less clinical experience because you won't have an internship under the belt) and will have a much, much easier chance of getting into a US residency.

Going to med school in Mexico is awesome if you wish to practice here. There's lot's of plush resort cities that don't have enough MD's working that can live like kings enjoying the beach. If you don't wish to do a residency, you can practice family medicine in Mexico and assist surgeries if you have friends that are specialists. I know several general MD's that have the exact same job position as ER specialists. You'd be amazed how easy it is to land a lucrative job in Playa Del Carmen living in a plush apartment complex like a king working whatever hours you feel like. It seems like 95% of all doctors in Mexico are all crammed in Mexico City. If more people decided to live elsewhere they'd know how well off they could live even as GP's.

If you opt for residency in the US, forget about the competitive residencies. If you don't mind being a family practitioner in NYC, that's okay. Just don't become bitter halfway through your internship how awesome ortho is and that your only chance of doing it is by doing the residency in Mexico.

Of the private med schools in Mexico City, I'd opt for the Panamericana university. It's a new school so you probably haven't heard much about it, but the quality doctors they produce doesn't cease to amaze me. I've yet to meet a mediocre doctor from that school and it's far cheaper than the elite schools. I'd keep an eye open for this school, it could easily someday leave the big name private schools like Anahuac, Tec or La Salle off the first places. I know several graduates from the Tominaga Nakamoto school and it does produce a lot of good doctors, but they've complained to me that the school isn't so great and has a lot of administration problems.
 

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my friend goes to panamericana university! she is enjoying the course load and the interaction with the prof! already from the first year students get hands-on experience. i agree with the previous post. one day this school might be up to par with anahuac, etc.
 

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Not to beat a dead horse, however I was reviewing the 2010 ENARM results which is the #1 basis used to rank medical school in Mexico and the ranking results seems very interesting in case anyone is interested in going to med school in this country. I find it interesting how low CU is faring despite it's high ranking for a spanish language university it in the World University ranking list (which is skewed because that list doesn't rank by major but overall).

I'm not in the least surprised Panamericana and the Tec are almost tied. Everyone knows the Tec is a top of the line school and the percentage of Panamericana graduates matching in a mexican residency just blows everyone away! They were good in 2004, but now, wow, just.. wow. :eek: Here it is!

1.UNIV. PANAMERICANA
2.INST. TECNOLÓGICO EST. SUP. MONTERREY
3.UNIV. AUT. DE QUERÉTARO
4.UNIV. AUT. DE SAN LUIS POTOSÍ
5.UNIV. DE GUANAJUATO
6.UNIV. LA SALLE
7.UNIV. AUT. DE B.C., U. MEXICALI
8.UNIV. AUT. DE COAHUILA, U. SALTILLO
9.UNIV. AUT. DE YUCATÁN
10.UNIV. AUT. DE CHIHUAHUA
11.UNIV. AUT. DE NUEVO LEÓN
12.UNIV. DE SONORA
13.UNIV. ANÁHUAC
14.UNAM FM CU
15.UNIV. DE MONTERREY
16.UNIV. AUT. DE COAHUILA, U. TORREÓN
17.UNIV. AUT. DE AGUASCALIENTES
18.UNIV. AUT. DE B.C., U. TIJUANA
19.UNIV. DEL MAYAB
20.UNIV. AUT. DEL EDO. DE MÉXICO
21.ESC. MÉDICO - MILITAR SEDENA
22.UNIV. AUT. DE MORELOS
23.UNIV. DE GUADALAJARA
24.ESC. MÉDICO - NAVAL SEMAR
25.ESTUDIOS EN EL EXTRANJERO
26.UNIV. DE GUADALAJARA, U. CD. GUZMÁN
27.UNIV. DEL VALLE DE MÉXICO, CAMPUS QRO
28.UNIV. MONTEMORELOS
29.UNIV. AUT. DE GUADALAJARA
30.UNIV. WEST HILL INSTITUTE S.C.
31.B. UNIV. AUT. PUEBLA (TEHUACÁN)
32.UNIV. VERACRUZANA, U. CD. MINATITLÁN
33.UNIV. AUT. DE HIDALGO
34.IPN ESC .SUP. MEDICINA
35.INST EST TEC Y SUP DE MATATIPAC (TEPIC)
36.UNIV. MICH. DE SAN NICOLÁS DE HIDALGO (ZAMORA)
37.UNIV. POPULAR AUT. DEL EDO. PUEBLA
38.UNIV. AUT. DE CHIAPAS
39.UNIV. AUT. DE CAMPECHE
40.UNIV. DE COLIMA
41.UNAM FES ZARAGOZA
42.UNIV. AUT. METROPOLITANA, U. XOCHIMILCO
43.UNIV. AUT. DE VERACRUZ VILLA RICA
44.UNIV. DE GUADALAJARA, U. LOS ALTOS
45.UNIV. AUT. DE ZACATECAS
46.UNAM FES IZTACALA
47.UNIV. JUÁREZ DEL EDO. DURANGO, U. GÓMEZ PALACIO
48.UNIV. VERACRUZANA, U. JALAPA
49.CENTRO EST. UNIV. XOCHICALCO, U. TIJUANA
50.UNIV. AUT. DE NAYARIT
51.UNIV. JUÁREZ DEL EDO. DURANGO, U. DURANGO
52.UNIV. AUT. DE CD. JUÁREZ
53.UNIV. QUETZALCÓATL
54.UNIV. AUT. DE TAMPS, U. TAMPICO
55.CENTRO EST. UNIV. XOCHICALCO, U. ENSENADA
56.UNIV. VERACRUZANA, U. VERACRUZ
57.B. UNIV. AUT. PUEBLA (PUEBLA)
58.UNIV. VERACRUZANA, U. CD. MENDOZA
59.UNIV. VERACRUZANA, U. POZA RICA
60.UNIV. VALLE DEL BRAVO, U. U. REYNOSA
61.UNIV. JUSTO SIERRA
62.UNIV. LATINOAMERICANA
63.UNIV. AUT. BENITO JUÁREZ DE OAXACA
64.UNIV. REGIONAL DEL SURESTE
65.UNIV. AUT. DE TLAXCALA
66.UNIV. AUT. DE TAMPS, U. MATAMOROS
67.UNIV. AUT. DE SINALOA
68.UNIV. MICH. DE SAN NICOLÁS DE HIDALGO (MORELIA)
69.IPN CENTRO INTERDISCIPLINARIO DE C. SALUD
70.UNIV. DEL NORESTE
71.IPN ESC. NAL. MED. Y HOMEOPATÍA
72.INST. EST. SUPERIORES TEPEACA
73.UNIV. AUT. DE GUERRERO
74.ESC. MED. TOMINAGA NAKAMOTO
75.UNIV. VALLE DEL BRAVO, U. CD. VICTORIA
76.UNIV. JUÁREZ AUT. DE TABASCO
77.INST. EST. SUPERIORES DE CHIAPAS
78.UNIV. MÉXICO-AMERICANA DEL NORTE
79.ESC. LIBRE DE HOMEOPATÍA DE MÉXICO
 

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they're charging me way too much for transcripts (ONLY FOR 1 official transcript 50 dlls) plus if you need a booklet with you classes descriptions (another 50 bucks)
This might not be them screwing you over, 50 dollars is about the average fee for an official school transcript from a private university including my university as well. How about paying 45 dollars for just ONE miserable piece of paper stating you took your professional exam on x day and passed it?! :bullcrap: I sadly had to fork the cash or else I wouldn't have been able to process my temp license to get a job before October. ugh.

While I agree heavily that a university with no internet on the computer lab is lame (even the underfunded public universities have this!!), med students stealing exams is the most common thing ever. Every university has students that steal exams, sometimes in really clever ways. I never did it, but granted I gained access to an old exam or two and used them as study guides to know high yield material, I still studied everything anyways.

You will hear story after story about someone who is selling the ENARM exam for 80,000 pesos trying to rip off the insecurities of mediocre students that don't study. While it could still be possible to pose as a computer tech employee of the exam organization and obtain a copy, it's now insanely difficult to bootleg the actual exam as an applicant. Each exam applicant has their photo, scanned diploma and license number so if they steal an exam, they will be banned from ever entering a residency for life. I think they are also going to use fingerprints as an identity key to enter the exam room starting this year as well.

People say everywhere that there's some mediocre doctor who has a contact that got him the exam, who knows if it's true, but I know a lot of people that studied honestly for the exam and passed it. A lot of the time people that spend the 80,000 pesos don't even pass the exam (and are too stupid to realize you can download old exam questions on the internet for free anyways).

Med school is full of cheaters sadly and I know a ton of people who don't deserve their inflated grade average, but cheaters can't ace the internship. Only the doctors that know their stuff can ace it. Most cheaters if they ever finish the degree end up as doctors working at a Dr. Simi Pharm lab for peanuts.

If you do change university, remember that almost all med schools don't prepare you for the USMLE exams but for the ENARM. The high yield stuff in the Step 1 such as the biochemistry and pathology slides won't appear in the mexican exam which is probably why the Xochicalco doesn't teach it. I do however agree that any school that doesn't teach Pharmacology has serious issues.
 
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Hi, can anyone tell me how much you get every semester or year from student loans? I know FAFSA/STAFFORD loans cover 100% of tuition but I need to know how much you are left with after tuition is paid? I'm starting in AUgust at xochicalco and already moved to tijuana last december with my wife and two kids (my wife is from mexico city, and I studied to become a CCI, Certified Court Interpreter for the supreme courts of Nevada, CA and UT so Spanish is no problem at all). I would rather my wife not work while i am in school so she can focus on our two girls (ages 2 and 4). We live in a very comfortable house in an OK neighborhood where we pay roughly $375 dollars/month in rent and then another, oh I'd estimate $200 in utilities including water, gas, electric, garbage, 24-hour neighborhood private security/controlled access as well as broadband internet and satellite TV etc. We can maintain a comfortable lifestyle for under $1000 per month so I just need to know if that is going to be possible with the federal loans I'll be getting by attending Xochicalco Tijuana Campus.
Also, if anyone can please tell me or email me or whatever a basic list of required or at least recommended textbooks for 1st and second semester, I'd appreciate it. I would like to get a head start on acquiring used textbooks well before August so i can read up over the summer and feel more prepared when August rolls around. English or spanish textbooks, really doesnt matter to me. I just need a list please.

thanks and please forgive the long, rambling post, haha
 
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Hi, Thats exactly what I am planning to do, I am a medical student in Xochicalco campus Mexicali, and I want to practice in the US, I am currently living in San Luis Arizona, and I drive every day to Mexicali to attend school, I would love to get some help from you, like some orientation in what steps to take...thanks
 
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I attended the Ensenada Campus of C.E.U. Xochicalco from 1985-1989, did a 5th yr rotating internship at ISSSTECALI in Tijuana and a 6th yr Social Service in Sonora.
I passed the ECFMG and FLEX and the 1st try, did FP residency in NYC and have worked in Florida for 10 years. I worked my ass off, didn't go to night clubs and leaned to speak Spanish extremely well.
Can i ask you something, what was your final gpa? Do you think 3.8 is low? I have so many doubts, i do not what to do to become a doctor in usa. Could you please help me? Thank you. =)
 

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Universidad del Noreste is 70th?? LOL. I was there in the early eighties and they billed themselves as the "Quality School of Medicine." But they never really got going until about two months into the Semester, the Physiology teacher would not show up or would have the students give the class, there were only a few cadavers dug up from pauper's graves (Rotten) and the Dean and Assistant Dean were Autocratic Bastards. Most of us did Basic Science for two years and then with the "anywhere but there" mentality (Tampico Sucks) often paid thousands of Additional dollars to do rotations-typically in Inner City places back in the States. When there, you may expect to be scutted and abused, and not taught anything. When I was turned out, you had to pass the FMGEMS (two day version of the ECFMG) and not many people DID on any given taking. YES, there is extortion too. They used to not charge for verifications, then, around twenty years ago charged relatively small fees, but, NOW, it's in the hundreds of dollars.

OH, and UNE had a New York office that was supposed to help us with clerkships. Said help consisted of generating paperwork for us, and promising hospitals, but not delivering. I did a Fifth Pathway in Brooklyn-I REFUSED to do two years of Social Service in Mexico. But THAT costs ten grand and a year of your life, with some Very questionable treatment. If you get a residency-I DID in Internal medicine-you may expect double standards there as well.

LOOK-the whole THING is FUBAR now. The Managed care Debacle-and get THIS-we have to recertify in our specialty every ten years. I'm so TIRED of jumping through Hoops!
 
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